Coach Grumpy

[to1994]

thats not the case though, langers era of players were the one that pushed hard for the players to be give a huge amount of power and they even did exactly this and ousted a coach they felt was too overbearing, taylor in particular helped solidify further the belief that a test side is defined by the skippers vision for the side and the coaches job is simply to support and facilitate that that not create his own vision for the side.

Gilchrist addressed exactly this on radio. He said as players they though they knew it all but as time has gone on they realised they needed that outside influence.

That said I don't think Mark Taylor ousting a coach can be compared to the current crop of players having the option of moving on to the T20 Circuit at the drop of a hat, the elite players now have a lot more power than Mark Taylor did.

 

[Cleavy]

Shane Warne has ripped into the incompetent Cricket Australia board

“I don’t think the modern day player takes criticism very well,” he said.

the same Warne who still holds that grudge against Steve Waugh for dropping him in the West Indies

 

[Blue1980]

You are forgetting that first series. It was a third string xi that played.

We were only missing Smith and Warner and Labs hadn’t emerged yet.

 

[Blue1980]

Where is this current side at?

Flogging a putrid English side who didn't want to be here, is not an indication of a great team.

The reality is we'll go to the sub-continent and get pantsed over the next 12 months.

Either way, CA showed Langer no respect and the powers that be need to GTFO.

I also agree with Clarke, Cummins needs to come out and actually give his opinion, not some pre-prepared answer.

Thing is it’s been so long since we played overseas it’s hard to really tell where this side is at.

The 3 upcoming subcontinent tours will give us a lot of answers.

 

[Demons09]

Ironic that the sane group that was involved in SA four years ago has their hands all over this, well done CA you have the same knobs in the leadership group.

 

[Boston tiger]

Put up with what? Do you think Hardwick would get sacked if he won the flag but a third of the team said he is a bit mean to us?

That’s no good . That’s not an argument.That just means you don’t know the difference between an Australian cricket coach and an AFL football coach.

How are you with the difference between an Australian Cricket Captain and an Australian rules football Captain ?

Cummins has got his career and legacy on the line here. If he can’t work with a little violent psycho then he should not be made to.
Justin Langer is mates with Matthew Hayden. Just let that sink in .

 

[greatwhiteshark]

You do realise that a coach is relatively modern in cricket? It's always the captain's team, it hasnt the last 4 years, as Paine had no tactical nous.

Did we pump up John Buchanan on his results? No it was the players that won all those games, yet now it's the coach who's the saviour.

Who dropped Shane Warne, it wasn't the coach, it was the captain Steve Waugh, Langer wanted to change the model to be AFL like, where the coach is boss, hence the breakdown with players

Incorrect, CA wanted the coach to take control and gave JL that mandate. He just did his job.

 

[Demons09]

That’s no good . That’s not an argument.That just means you don’t know the difference between an Australian cricket coach and an AFL football coach.

How are you with the difference between an Australian Cricket Captain and an Australian rules football Captain ?

Cummins has got his career and legacy on the line here. If he can’t work with a little violent psycho then he should not be made to.
Justin Langer is mates with Matthew Hayden. Just let that sink in .

Yep we’ll see how he copes will the potential fall out of the sub continent and T20 world cup if this saga is anything to go by!!!

 

[greatwhiteshark]

That’s no good . That’s not an argument.That just means you don’t know the difference between an Australian cricket coach and an AFL football coach.

How are you with the difference between an Australian Cricket Captain and an Australian rules football Captain ?

Cummins has got his career and legacy on the line here. If he can’t work with a little violent psycho then he should not be made to.
Justin Langer is mates with Matthew Hayden. Just let that sink in .

I very much no the difference, in fact I am in the corner that the Australian cricket team does not really need a coach. It is however CA that gave the power the JL to sort the terrible culture out. Now they don’t like it and that’s ok but handle it with some class and never let the players decide.

 

[Boston tiger]

Yep we’ll see how he copes will the potential fall out of the sub continent and T20 world cup if this saga is anything to go by!!!

What if they give him a coach that they don’t have to hide out the back somewhere.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Problem is these ex players have basically all being teammates of Langer…they ain’t going to say he’s bad or anything! Just waiting for who is the next WA player to defend Langer…

They all have one thing in common.

They are all JL's mates though.

Hard to get a decent non-bias assessment on this from them when they were always going to blow up when JL eventually lost his job weather it was last year, now or next year.

I mean, if we're going to be this reductive, it's only fair to point out that the only people willing to publicly back both Cricket Australia and the playing group at the moment are journos like Conn and Brettig who were the direct beneficiaries of the leaks and backgrounding.

 

[BStaff17]

Thing is it’s been so long since we played overseas it’s hard to really tell where this side is at.

The 3 upcoming subcontinent tours will give us a lot of answers.

Haven't won a test series overseas since Feb 2016 in NZ.

Quite remarkable when you think its been 6 years since and skipper Pat Cummins has never played in a winning test series away from home.

 

[Tugga27]

We were only missing Smith and Warner and Labs hadn’t emerged yet.

Only?

They were our 2 best batsmen.

 

[Demons09]

What if they give him a coach that they don’t have to hide out the back somewhere.

What if they get smashed in the subcontinent or don’t make the semis of the T20 or lose the up coming series against Sri Lanka.

 

[hawkman]

“I don’t think the modern day player takes criticism very well,” he said.

the same Warne who still holds that grudge against Steve Waugh for dropping him in the West Indies

And the only thing he said he learnt for Buchanan if you bowl 3 maidens in a row you are much better chance of getting a wicket. The last person that should be complaining about a coach leaving

 

[BStaff17]

I mean, if we're going to be this reductive, it's only fair to point out that the only people willing to publicly back both Cricket Australia and the playing group at the moment are journos like Conn and Brettig who were the direct beneficiaries of the leaks and backgrounding.

Since when do players in the midst of there career spill the beans on the current situation in the change room publically. Its basically career suicide.

All these legends coming out and supporting JL were happy to sprout all the issues behind the scenes in their autobiographies at the end of their careers but never said boo during it.

JL was obivously a ripper team mate and person but its blind loyalty by some of them when none of these guys are in the rooms with the current team under JL.

Anyway change was needed and the players no longer have any excuses not to perform away from home.

 

[Boston tiger]

I very much no the difference, in fact I am in the corner that the Australian cricket team does not really need a coach. It is however CA that gave the power the JL to sort the terrible culture out. Now they don’t like it and that’s ok but handle it with some class and never let the players decide.

How did the players decide ? By not jumping up and down and saying we love him.
Privately they thought he was a dickhead . If they think he’s a dickhead then they think he’s a dickhead .. what can you do ? They backed themselves and got the assistants involved and things improved . If things hadn’t improved then things might have been different. The less involved he got the better things got . Imagine if he wasn’t here at all . It’s a no brainer.

The new culture is the Richmond culture. Laugh and tell jokes at quarter time. Enjoy the game like you were a kid again .
Did you see them laugh in the rooms when Lambashane fell over and was bowled. Wouldn’t happen in J Langers watch . He would threatened them with a Kung Fu kick to the head.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Since when do players in the midst of there career spill the beans on the current situation in the change room publically. Its basically career suicide.

All these legends coming out and supporting JL were happy to sprout all the issues behind the scenes in their autobiographies at the end of their careers but never said boo during it.

JL was obivously a ripper team mate and person but its blind loyalty by some of them when none of these guys are in the rooms with the current team under JL.

Anyway change was needed and the players no longer have any excuses not to perform away from home.

Carey another one of Langer's mates I guess. Didn't seem to battle to find some reasonable things to say?

 

[frankrizzo]

Gilchrist addressed exactly this on radio. He said as players they though they knew it all but as time has gone on they realised they needed that outside influence.

That said I don't think Mark Taylor ousting a coach can be compared to the current crop of players having the option of moving on to the T20 Circuit at the drop of a hat, the elite players now have a lot more power than Mark Taylor did.

I think taylors power was more that the main CA brand was still the test side, the board also didnt have franchise cricket either to fall back on it needed its tests players happy and winning.

Was also a different way of reporting back then as well, taylor not simpson was given the bulk of the credit for the breakthrough win the west indies in 95(while many now are saying this was langers ashes win not cummins) taylor cashed in that credit to hand pick his coach and the board went with it.

 

[Boston tiger]

What if they get smashed in the subcontinent or don’t make the semis of the T20 or lose the up coming series against Sri Lanka.

Are you saying beating the worst Test team in the last 100 years 4 times is nothing a coach should hang his hat on ?

 

[madmug]

Carey got asked about Langer said it was a shock and he didn’t have a problem with him, the media will more than likely sound out all the player’s wont be hard to work out who had it in for him, the old no comment will out them.

The problem is that JL hasn't got a sky blue cap in his cupboard.

That was the same for Tim Paine.

The guys appointed to drag Australian cricket out of the sandpapergate disgrace, both get knifed.

 

[Boston tiger]

Carey another one of Langer's mates I guess. Didn't seem to battle to find some reasonable things to say?

Denies a dressing room rift ? Why did Langer drop everyone in it in his heartfelt resignation letter ?

 

[footyfan1978]

“I don’t think the modern day player takes criticism very well,” he said.

the same Warne who still holds that grudge against Steve Waugh for dropping him in the West Indies

ha ha
Indeed. Amused they think there much difference in such a short space of time.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Since when do players in the midst of there career spill the beans on the current situation in the change room publically. Its basically career suicide.

All these legends coming out and supporting JL were happy to sprout all the issues behind the scenes in their autobiographies at the end of their careers but never said boo during it.

JL was obivously a ripper team mate and person but its blind loyalty by some of them when none of these guys are in the rooms with the current team under JL.

Anyway change was needed and the players no longer have any excuses not to perform away from home.

Agreed. The whole 'why aren't they coming out and saying this or that publicly?' from ex team mates of Langer is absolute hypocritical nonsense. Fair enough if they think Langer has been poorly treated (probably has been) and even if they think the current players are soft or whatever but don't give us this shit.

 

[Del28562]

The problem is that JL hasn't got a sky blue cap in his cupboard.

That was the same for Tim Paine.

The guys appointed to drag Australian cricket out of the sandpapergate disgrace, both get knifed.

How was Paine knifed? Maybe if he come out and said you know what guys, I'm an average guy that thought I'd send an unsolicited pic of my dick and be able to get away with it, but it's not ok, he might still be there, the fact that he blames the lady for it getting out is a trait of a shit bloke.

Langer was no doubt aware he was on thin ice, if we hadn't won the T20 World cup, would there be this uproar? He tried to use the last couple of wins as negotiating his way back into getting another contract and getting his mates in the media to back him and it backfired