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BStaff17 said:
The only way is up they haven't won a test series abroad since february 2016 in New Zealand. So its not like we were great overseas previously.

Pakistan will a 50/50 bet. The players are entering the unknown no one has played there before and pakistan are a lottery to predict they can play awesome and implode in the space of a match let alone a series.

Wouldn't surprise me if its a 1-all draw tbh.

Sri Lanka was a disaster last time we toured in 2016 got done 3-0 very convincingly. Should improve on what we dished up and win the series.

And we have only won a series in india once in the past 50 years. Hopefully we perform like we did in 2017 and are competitive. If the tour falls apart like 2013 then questions rightly should be asked
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As much as we disagree with the langer saga and how both sides have been treated

I am confident we can win ...with langer or without langer the talent in the team is there.......even if they have there own agendas.....tic
 
Blue Arrow said:
How many chubbies will the ‘Pat is a great captain’ crowd have after the team wins stuff all on the upcoming tours? 😭
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Can someone please name me a great cricket coach, compared to a great cricket captain?

Would chappelli, Clive, Viv, Imran, tubby, Fleming, Arjuna etc have kept a coach they didn't like? They would get rid of them in a heart beat, how is this any different?
 

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Westend said:
I am confident we can win ...with langer or without langer the talent in the team is there.......even if they have there own agendas.....tic
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The batting talent needed to win asia doesn't seem like its there at all to me, even with godlike form smith we still couldn't do the job now he appears to be in serious decline.
 
frankrizzo said:
The batting talent needed to win asia doesn't seem like its there at all to me, even with godlike form smith we still couldn't do the job now he appears to be in serious decline.
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Right or wrong they are going to cop it if they don’t perform. The players are apparently in the best spirits they could be , plenty of talent.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
Right or wrong they are going to cop it if they don’t perform. The players are apparently in the best spirits they could be , plenty of talent.
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I just see the issue with batting vs spin as a much bigger concern which requires a long term solution, it has little if anything to do with cummins and langer and has been an issue across multiple generations, just like england aren't going to fix a broken county system with a new coach we arent going to suddenly be able to play spin now with a new coach.
 
frankrizzo said:
I just see the issue with batting vs spin as a much bigger concern which requires a long term solution, it has little if anything to do with cummins and langer and has been an issue across multiple generations, just like england aren't going to fix a broken county system with a new coach we arent going to suddenly be able to play spin now with a new coach.
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Agree
 
The Passenger said:
If everyone's going to throw emotional claptrap about lack of leadership, ball tampering etc* in addition to the above we've also got this doozy.



It's interesting that roughly a decade later the Australian cricketing public went absolutely ape sh*t at Broad for not walking.

* which are fair issues to discuss, it's just some of the posting would embarrass a hormone charged teenager.
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Not walking when you’re not given out isn’t cheating. It’s the umpire’s decision.

An Australian doesn’t walk unless his car’s out of petrol
 
Trent the flight Steward said:
Can someone please name me a great cricket coach, compared to a great cricket captain?
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100% this.

If you were debating this in the pub sans Google and you turned around asked "OK, tell me who coached Sri Lanka in '96 and India '11 to their world cup wins" the overwhelming majority of people, including some pretty dedicated followers, would look blankly into the distance.

FTR, I guessed - correctly - Dav Whatmore for Sri Lanka. A bit of an educated guess. I had to google for Gary Kirsten. I can remember him coaching India but wasn't sure of the timeline.
 
The Passenger said:
100% this.

If you were debating this in the pub sans Google and you turned around asked "OK, tell me who coached Sri Lanka in '96 and India '11 to their world cup wins" the overwhelming majority of people, including some pretty dedicated followers, would look blankly into the distance.

FTR, I guessed - correctly - Dav Whatmore for Sri Lanka. A bit of an educated guess. I had to google for Gary Kirsten. I can remember him coaching India but wasn't sure of the timeline.
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Whatmore and Sri Lanka changed cricket. They revolutionised fifty over cricket and arguably seeded the idea of T20 cricket in some administrator's mind.
 

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Gough said:
Whatmore and Sri Lanka changed cricket. They revolutionised fifty over cricket and arguably seeded the idea of T20 cricket in some administrator's mind.
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No doubt that was a revolutionary period in 50-over cricket.

Just doubt the average cricket follower could name opposition coaches the way they could in - for example - the VFL/AFL world where fans are very familiar with the names Jeans, Kennedy, Smith, McHale, Pagan, Malthouse (amongst plenty others) regardless of who you support.

Cricket coaches - particularly in international cricket - just don't have the same influence on teams.
 
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greatwhiteshark said:
I don't think it was any tougher, we just looked at it differently.
We were just happy to be selected and just did what we were told to do. It wasn't complicated. We didn't care who was the coach.
Not about being tougher at all.
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When was this mystical time everyone just did what a head coach said without question? Maybe early in Bob Simpsons reign? Certainly not by the early 90s and onwards.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
80’s -90’s
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Lol no, early in Simpsons reign probably because the side was rubbish, but I remember early 90s onwards complaints about Simpson, especially from guys like Jones after he was dropped, and others who thought Simpson was too involved and they needed someone more hands off, sound familiar?
 
The Passenger said:
No doubt that was a revolutionary period in 50-over cricket.

Just doubt the average cricket follower could name opposition coaches the way they could in - for example - the VFL/AFL world where fans are very familiar with the names Jeans, Kennedy, Smith, McHale, Pagan, Malthouse (amongst plenty others) regardless of who you support.

Cricket coaches - particularly in international cricket - just don't have the same influence on teams.
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I think you could absolutely argue Whatmore hand an influence on that Sri Lankan cricket team, unless you think the players (who don't pick themselves) revolutionised 50-over cricket on their own.
 

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The Passenger said:
Just doubt the average cricket follower could name opposition coaches the way they could in - for example - the VFL/AFL world where fans are very familiar with the names Jeans, Kennedy, Smith, McHale, Pagan, Malthouse (amongst plenty others) regardless of who you support.

Cricket coaches - particularly in international cricket - just don't have the same influence on teams.
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Maybe the general public wouldn’t remember who the coach was, but a coach’s fame/popularity doesn’t correlate to how much they shape a team, influence the culture and innovate tactics.
 
Trent the flight Steward said:
You'd think ranatunga had greater influence than dav Whatmore on Sri Lanka cricket
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Of course he did overall, but when a new coach comes in, selection and playing style undergo a revolutionary overhaul, and a former minnow goes on to win the World Cup, we probably shouldn't underestimate the influence a coach can have.
 
james brayshaw said:
What's your position on mankading.
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Dishonourable of course. But If the non-striker is clearly just striding out of his crease well before you’ve bowled the ball, you at least stop and provide warning, and if he does it again in an obvious manner - its fair then to take the bails off

But i dont think its comparable to not walkinh when you’ve been given not out. Even Gilchrist said it’s not cheating to not walk - as long as ur consistent (not choose when and when not to walk)
 
buckleyist1958 said:
Dishonourable of course. But If the non-striker is clearly just striding out of his crease well before you’ve bowled the ball, you at least stop and provide warning, and if he does it again in an obvious manner - its fair then to take the bails off

But i dont think its comparable to not walkinh when you’ve been given not out. Even Gilchrist said it’s not cheating to not walk - as long as ur consistent (not choose when and when not to walk)
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Gilly walked and was deemed the ultimate hero, yet every game he appealed for dismissal he knows are not out .
 

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