Roast Coaching discussion thread

[schmuttt]

Posted this in the Roos thread on the MB, figured I'd post it here as well.

Deserves to cop heat today. I've been a pretty staunch defender of him but he simply isn't coaching this group properly.

Lets look at the big picture. He comes to Melb in the 2013 offseason, obviously morale is really low so he employs a fairly defensive gameplan in 2014 to minimize beltings and slowly build confidence. We drastically reduce our average losing margin and increase our % by a bit over 10% (And double the win tally). After a smash and grab job against Essendon we are 4-8 and whilst this is pretty crap for most teams, this is far, far better than the Melbourne under Neeld. Just as we're thinking that, we lose 9 straight to finish 2014 and our stats drop dramatically (First half of the year we were top 8 for contested ball, we drop to 18th and also continue our garbage inside 50 counts).

2015 starts, we have what looks like a great win in round 1 vs the GC. Not only do we win in round 1 for the first time since 2005, but we score well over 100 points for the first time since 2013. Our form fluctuates a bit during the first half of the year but we have good wins against decent sides like the Tigers and Bulldogs, and have a huge win against Geelong.

This whole time our inside 50 counts fail to improve, as does our scoring (Despite scoring over 100 three times this year). I'd also wager our losing margin feels like it is higher this year than last year (Don't have the stat to confirm it for me). Our inside 50 count is still the worst, our tackle average is high but often we get out-tackled we just turn games into slogs so it is a bit deceiving.

Roos trying the defensive crap this year is not working whatsoever. I understood it in the first year, but now it is an outdated style of play that is hurting us more than it is helping. I'd much rather us take the game on and kick 12-14 goals every week and risk conceding 20+, instead we turn games into stoppage fests. Bit strange but it seems nearly 2 years on it still hasn't clicked that we aren't the Sydney team Roos has and I don't think it suits us playing this way. That Sydney team was the best tackling and clearance outfit (We are 14th for clearances this year) in the competition and had better footskills than people realized (They were very good at hitting targets inside 50, as for us LOL).

It is ******* frustrating watching how we played against the GC and Geelong (Took the game on) then we serve up that shit today (No offence Saints, you're on the right track but you're not exactly leagues ahead of us and we shouldn't be playing like that). People say our list still sucks, but we should at least be learning the right way to play instead of this shit.

 

[Tempy Tiger]

What I found falling in his presser was the comment that in past years it would have been a hundred point loss... We were playing a team with the same number of wins as us who bottomed out well after we were supposed to have.
I seriously hope he starts handing over the reigns now. Not just match day but also game style.

 

[PerfectFooty]

What I found falling in his presser was the comment that in past years it would have been a hundred point loss... We were playing a team with the same number of wins as us who bottomed out well after we were supposed to have.
I seriously hope he starts handing over the reigns now. Not just match day but also game style.

Did he seriously make that comment again?

 

[Tempy Tiger]

Did he seriously make that comment again?

Yep. And predictably focussed on skill errors. To do otherwise would be an admission that his game plan is actually fundamentally flawed.

 

[rhaz]

I think we all need to remember just how badly Neeld ****ed us and how far back Roos is bringing us from. Not only that but we were terrible off-field too.

In 2013 there was no hope, none at all. I can see where the improvement will come now and I can see which players have the potential to become stars.

 

[PerfectFooty]

Yep. And predictably focussed on skill errors. To do otherwise would be an admission that his game plan is actually fundamentally flawed.

Roos should run the country, his pressers are pollie worthy

 

[stretcharmstrong]

No longer a Roos supporter. His style is clearly flawed and not relevant anymore. Th second half of 2014 and now 2015 is resembling Neeld WAY too much.

I was thinking the same thing myself. Too many games this year have felt like those horrible Neeld-coached abominations when you could just feel that we were going to go inside fifty shallowly 10 times before eeking out 1.1, only for the oppo to bang on 3 in the five minutes that followed. I really don't get what this team has against going straight and direct into the fwd line, and BLOODY SCORING!

 

[stretcharmstrong]

The other question has to be asked of Roos directly

Tyson, Jones, McDonald, Garland, Dawes, Lumumba and a host of others arent in good form
You cant carry half a side thats out of form

I always feel like I blame the players, almost never bother going after the coach.

But weve moved the ball really well during a number of games this year. We know how to do it, the coaches HAVE taught it. It's just that on certain (most) days, the players can't bring it.

So I guess here I am again blaming the players.

 

[Benwah83]

Our transition from defence to attach is horrendous. It's all good and well to pressure and shut down the opposition and win the footy back, but if you can't counter-attack, what's the bloody point

I want to believe that it's just a case of the team taking time to gel, and that it'll come. But I dunno anymore...

 

[The Dr]

I think Roos has been fantastic for our club culturally. And that's an important thing, considering how badly the whole place was falling apart when he took over.

However, I've now got serious doubts about his ability as an actual footy coach, especially tactically.

I especially shake my head at his use of the sub this year. Roos seems to use the sub as 'the 22nd player', as in, someone plays well in the VFL, gets promoted and is automatically played as the sub. Either that, or someone who's struggling a bit in the seniors is made the sub as a warning that they're one step away from being dropped to the VFL.

We all hate the sub rule, but other clubs have adapted to it by trying to use it as a weapon. They pick subs as actual impact players who can be seriously damaging when they're brought on, as opposed to what Roos does.

Michie was sub today and had nine touches and two tackles in a little over a quarter. That's a good effort, but on a cold, wet, blustery day, he would have been perfect to start on the field and give us an extra inside midfielder. He should have started on the ground and a more suitable sub could have been chosen to give us an injection of run and class when we needed it.

 

[Ando727]

I understand the points being made about Roos and his tactical plan, but how can somebody be in football this long and not be aware of the things being discussed in threads like this? How can somebody be so rigid and inflexible and not study the way other teams are playing? It strikes me as so implausible that there must be more to it. Most people would say Roos is an intelligent man. Could it be that it is us who can't see what he has to deal with? I'm asking because I agree with what many of you are saying, but the other part of me can't believe Roos can be that daft. What gives?

 

[WillowSF]

He seems detached and just not invested in the club. Never has since day 1. You guys deserve better.

 

[PerfectFooty]

He seems detached and just not invested in the club. Never has since day 1. You guys deserve better.

When you say it like that he sounds like Malcolm Blight when he was in charge of the saints

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I think you all need to calm down and think - the players can't consistently execute anything this is he problem and it starts wih our leaders.

 

[RandB]

I think you all need to calm down and think - the players can't consistently execute anything this is he problem and it starts wih our leaders.

Mate, they aren't even match fit. That's on the FD before we look at training and game plan.

 

[00Stinger]

Did he seriously make that comment again?

to be fair the skill level was that piss poor I am surprised we only lost by what we did

 

[booshboy]

Roos has been great for us off-field, but his gameday coaching has been shithouse this year. Keeps serving up the same old crap to the media. Put your hand up and take responsibility for YOUR teams piss poor performances over the last month. Would like to see N.Jones do the same.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Mate, they aren't even match fit. That's on the FD before we look at training and game plan.

That's on the players - you turn the ball over and you get tired pretty quick.

 

[RandB]

That's on the players - you turn the ball over and you get tired pretty quick.

You get tired and you turn the ball over too though. I understand we make our job a lot harder due to turnovers and chasing but there are some games where we look sluggish from the first bounce. That's rehab and conditioning.

 

[Topkent]

Conditioning is too hard to judge from the outside

Port where the greatest and fittest team in history last year and now they look slow etc

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

You get tired and you turn the ball over too though. I understand we make our job a lot harder due to turnovers and chasing but there are some games where we look sluggish from the first bounce. That's rehab and conditioning.

Roos has openly admitted to training harder so he can teach the team.

It'd be great if he didnt have to.

 

[RandB]

Roos has openly admitted to training harder so he can teach the team.

It'd be great if he didnt have to.

That was earlier in the year and he admitted they may have overdone it. If they have continued an extra hard training load then fair enough I stand corrected on that but it seems a bit of a stretch tbh.

 

[RandB]

Conditioning is too hard to judge from the outside

Port where the greatest and fittest team in history last year and now they look slow etc

Compare Melbourne to West Coast in and after Darwin if it helps. Yes their group is more mature on the whole and playing great football but the difference has been profound.

 

[Topkent]

Compare Melbourne to West Coast in and after Darwin if it helps. Yes their group is more mature on the whole and playing great football but the difference has been profound.

But they are a way better side as well

 

[RandB]

But they are a way better side as well

Yes, in all facets.