Coaching roles for Ben Hart and Matthew Clark

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I like these appointments, not just because these are two guys who have put a lot of time into the Crows but because they have always struck me as the sort of guys who would be good at teaching. I'm sure any club in the league would be happy with either of these appointments.

Is it 100% confirmed though? Have they officially accepted the roles?
 

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My initial reaction to this was GREAT to see Doc back to help out with the developing rucks. Those boys could learn a LOT from Doc in terms of actual ruckwork. The best tap ruckman in the league in the last 10 odd years.

My thoughts about Hart were....huh?!

This is simply because I thought we needed to get a genuine midfield coach. I rate Paul Hamilton extremly highly. Probably more highly than anyone here. He is a great assistant coach but I would have moved him back to defence where he is more comfortable. I think part of our midfield problems was due to personnel, weak rucks and possibly lack of midfield savvy in the coaches box.

I do think that Hart will be a great defensive coach and he could teach youngeters a LOT. I particularly think that Moran could benefit from this greatly.

I would have liked some outside blood that was a genuine midfield coach but I guess we will have to wait and see how this pans out. Definetly some real talent in the coaches box but I get the feeling that is a bit of s mismatched talent.
 
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I think this is a good move by the club. Matty Clarkes tap work was superb and with Hudson gone and Biglands coming off an injury it will absolutely vital to the progression of Maric and Griff.
As for Ben Hart, I love the idea. The North games i saw, many times he would have a chat with the younger ones and help them with there game whilst playing. Kinda like a second coach who was out on the field, seemed to help them out and they appreciated it. Reccon he's a great leader and really could bring a lot to the club, especially for the younger defenders coming through.
Good luck to both of them!!!:thumbsu:
 

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Article from: The Advertiser
MICHELANGELO RUCCI

October 16, 2007 02:15am

BEN HART and Matthew Clarke will join Adelaide's coaching panel next year - subject to negotiations with the Crows today.

Ruck coach Michael Redden will leave the club - to take care of demands on his farm - giving Clarke his first job since retiring from football last month.

Defence coach Peter Jonas will hand his portfolio to Hart, but the Crows insist the SANFL premiership coach will stay in Neil Craig's match-day team. Jonas, however, will have a greater say in Adelaide's critical development program.

"Our decisions - which are still to be finalised - are based on getting extra resources to Neil on match day and into development," said Adelaide football operations manager John Reid.

"Peter Jonas will have a role on match days in the box. We hope to finalise the appointments (today)."

The return of Hart and Clarke to the front line of the Adelaide football team comes a year after Craig ushered both out of the playing list.

Hart kept playing, with North Adelaide, Clarke at St Kilda.

I agree with other posters a new forward and midfield coach would be the way to go. Does anyone have any ideas on who should take over those roles?
 
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My initial reaction to this was GREAT to see Doc back to help out with the developing rucks. Those boys could learn a LOT from Doc in terms of actual ruckwork. The best tap ruckman in the league in the last 10 odd years.

My thoughts about Hart were....huh?!

This is simply because I thought we needed to get a genuine midfield coach. I rate Paul Hamilton extremly highly. Probably more highly than anyone here. He is a great assistant coach but I would have moved him back to defence where he is more comfortable. I think part of our midfield problems was due to personnel, weak rucks and possibly lack of midfield savvy in the coaches box.

I do think that Hart will be a great defensive coach and he could teach youngeters a LOT. I particularly think that Moran could benefit from this greatly.

I would have liked some outside blood that was a genuine midfield coach but I guess we will have to wait and see how this pans out. Definetly some real talent in the coaches box but I get the feeling that is a bit of s mismatched talent.
A good summary of my thoughts.

I'm concerned we haven't addressed our main problem - the midfield - which we have really suffered since Pyke left. Surely this is the biggest area of need for a new injection of coaching talent.

With Mick Redden unable to continue & need of more coaching hours, Clarke is a good appointment as he has a good footy brain.

Hart will be a great teacher too I reckon & not unhappy with his appointment, but the defence isn't a problem.
 

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Matthew Clarke and Ben Hart are potentially very good coaches with a genuine passion for the AFC but I would have preferred they found someone to add some creative flair in the coaching box, something which has been lacking in the last couple of years.
 

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Well, it's been officially confirmed.

Hart, Clarke join coaching panel

The Adelaide Football Club is pleased to confirm the appointments of Ben Hart and Matthew Clarke to the coaching panel.

Hart’s primary role will be defence and he will also assist with player development. He was an assistant coach at SANFL club North Adelaide this year after finishing his 311 AFL game playing career with Adelaide at the end of the 2006 season.

General manager, football operations, John Reid said: “Ben had a distinguished career at the Adelaide Football Club as a player and we now look forward to him coming on board as an assistant coach. He has a deep knowledge of the modern game and is clearly suited to this role.”

Matthew Clarke will be a part-time ruck coach at the Adelaide Football Club in an expanded role. He replaces Mick Redden, who unfortunately could not commit to the extra workload required by senior coach Neil Craig. Clarke played 130 AFL games for Brisbane from 1993-99 and then 118 games for Adelaide until the end of the 2006 season. He spent the 2007 season with St Kilda, where he played10 games for a total of 258.

“Matt is clearly very experienced in this area and having just retired from the game will be a good addition to the coaching group,” Reid said.

Craig is still to finalise the rest of the coaching roles.

“It is expected Peter Jonas will be involved in the midfield and player development, and contrary to reports he is not moving out of the coaching box. Peter will remain a major participant in that area,” Reid said.

http://afc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/4417/Default.aspx?newsId=52514
 

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Really?? please explain stiffy, I'm interested......

I for one was hoping that Rehn got the senior coaching role ahead of NC when it was up for grabs.
Its nothing that isn't a public knowledge. No rift between the 2 what so ever. As we all know Rehn applied for head coaching position with the AFC when it was up for grabs and really impressed the selection panel. He was really disappointed not to have gotten that job. After that he was on 5AA and was saying that his dream is to coach the AFC. When asked if he would consider an assitant coaching position at the AFC he said no because he wouldn't feel comfortable working closly with Craig knowing full well that he would want his job and that Craig was the man that beat him to it.

No sinister or bitter fued between the two what so ever. In fact there is a great deal of respect for each other between Craig and Rehn. Its just that Rehn wouldn't feel comfortable working for Craig at the AFC.
 

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Its nothing that isn't a public knowledge. No rift between the 2 what so ever. As we all know Rehn applied for head coaching position with the AFC when it was up for grabs and really impressed the selection panel. He was really disappointed not to have gotten that job. After that he was on 5AA and was saying that his dream is to coach the AFC. When asked if he would consider an assitant coaching position at the AFC he said no because he wouldn't feel comfortable working closly with Craig knowing full well that he would want his job and that Craig was the man that beat him to it.

No sinister or bitter fued between the two what so ever. In fact there is a great deal of respect for each other between Craig and Rehn. Its just that Rehn wouldn't feel comfortable working for Craig at the AFC.
Thanks stiff,

Thats such a shame, I could really see them doing great things as a team
 
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Not a good move in my book.

We should be scouring the league for the best people for the job with fresh new ideas.

I think that the culture that you move off the playing field and into the coaches box based on the success of your playing career will hinder our future success.

It took several years for the club to figure out that Darren Jarman couldn't coach people to play like Darren Jarman as they were missing something he had. ( exceptional natural ability)

Having said that I don't have a problem with an ex-player like Shaun Rehn coming back as he has played at another club, coached at SANFL level and been an assistant coach at AFL level
 

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Not a good move in my book.

We should be scouring the league for the best people for the job with fresh new ideas.

I think that the culture that you move off the playing field and into the coaches box based on the success of your playing career will hinder our future success.
We will have to wait and see whether the last paragraph is applicable with Hart and Clarke, but I certainly have to agree with the middle one.

It does look more like jobs for the boys rather than scouring the country for the best available, and for that reason I would have preferred outsiders, particularly in Hart's role.

Mind you, he has shown already at the end of last season that he can be contrary and not frightened to stray fromthe party line.

As always, time wil tell.
 

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I like these appointments, whilst some have said we needed some outside influences, my thoughts were that we needed at least 1 ex-crow in the coaching box, last year we had none, they were all outsiders as such.

The Matty Clarke appointment I love, I would rate him second only to Shaun Rehn in terms of ruck coaches, Benny Hart I also like, he is pretty much straight out of the game, had a little bit of experience last year, knows the players well from a different perspective too and would be really approachable from a players point of view, same with Clarke.

My only problem is we are not really addressing our biggest problem at all and that is the forward line, our midfield, whilst down on last year, still wasn't awful, our forward line was and has been for a long time. The only time its really looked good is when the midfield has been at its absolute best and we can't rely on that.

We don't have any star players up forward and to me it seems like Craig is trying to nullify the strengths of our forwards, Welsh is one of the best forwards in the league in terms of leading out of the goalsquare, yet we play him across half-forward, we croud our forwards up around CHF and get them to run back, but when the kicks are not absolutely perfect they get chopped off by the opposition.

We have the resources why not go and find the best forward coach in the AFL and pay him a lot of money to fix our forward line, just say do what you want, we want it fixed. In our premiership years we had guns galore up forward, in Modra, Jarman, Vardy, Robran, Bond etc. we don't have those quality players anymore, so we need a good set up or at least someone who can develop forwards well. D Jarman couldn't, I'm not sure who could, but someone should be found. Our defence has been the best in the league over the past 3 years, and next year will make it 3 different defensive coaches in 4 years, but only 1 forward coach, doesn't really make sense.
 

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Clarke Ruck/Being Awesome Coach
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Agreed. Someone like Clark coaching the likes of Griff and Maric would be invaluable.
Clarke's experience/advice to our younger ruckmen would be invaluable! :thumbsu:
Have not problems at all with these appointments, Clarke, being probably the greatest tap ruckman in recent history and already having worked with the boys would be invaluble, only bloke I would prefer would be Rehn.
Don Pyke left last year and was a massive loss, as evidenced by us being thrashed in the midfield all year.
My initial reaction to this was GREAT to see Doc back to help out with the developing rucks. Those boys could learn a LOT from Doc in terms of actual ruckwork. The best tap ruckman in the league in the last 10 odd years.
Thread necromancy, sometimes it fun. Like dental work.

Ruckmen since 2007 that i can think of kinda:
Meesen sent to Melbourne in the 2007 draft - useless
Hudson to the Bulldogs - got the shits up about his contract
McKernan - useless
James Craig - nope
Griffin - sent to Fremantle
received Jacobs from Carlton in 2010
sent Maric to Richmond in 2011
Dowdell - nope
Angus Graham - nope
Jenkins - bad to passable
Tippett - to Sydney
Osborn - nope
Klaosen - nope
Lowden brought in - nope
O'Brien - apparently good

Are we terrible at drafting ruckmen? Or are we terrible at developing them? If Doc was "The best tap ruckman in the league in the last 10 odd years." why the flying **** is Jacobs getting worse and Jenkins so terrible at it? What the **** happened to everyone else on that list?
 
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