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I mean, If anyone wanted to groom kids who wouldnt look towards the catholic church?It's grooming, there's no polite way to put it.
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I mean, If anyone wanted to groom kids who wouldnt look towards the catholic church?It's grooming, there's no polite way to put it.
That's bad enough, but if they must impose religion or other non-ediucational topics in schools, it should strictly be opt in, not opt out.Let's be clear I am advocating for Chaplains in schools and Christianity to be taught to kids with the parents having the option of pulling them out. Nothing more.
That's bad enough, but if they must impose religion or other non-ediucational topics in schools, it should strictly be opt in, not opt out.
But why only Christianity? Why not Islam? Why not Satanism?
It's been established that Satanists want their kids to learn their religion - why should only Christians be taught in schools?
Satanists play devil’s advocate over religious instruction in court fight
Satanists hailing from the Sunshine Coast are claiming their human rights are being trodden on after being refused access to state schools.www.brisbanetimes.com.au
As has been mentioned in this thread, there are Sunday Schools where you can have your kid taught Christianity (although I do like the idea of no child being taught religion until they have the mental capacity to understand what they are being taught having gone through it myself).
BTW - your post wasn't just about Christianity being taught in schools. You very clearly outlined a position that you believe a society should function on the basis of everyone following the same religion
I was responding to a post that asked me about the benefits of a homogeneous society and how that can be achieved .
Teaching kids at school the very basics of Christianity is just one way to achieve a homogeneous society.
To have a homogeneous society requires a level of integration were people are encouraged to fit into mainstream society. Christianity is the most popular religion in Australia, it has played the greatest role in shaping our history and it would be the religion most Australians are comfortable having taught to their kids.
Given the current religious, non-religious, political and cultural diversity of Australia, teaching christianity in schools would not create an homogenous society; on the contrary, it would irreparably destroy the possibility of any potential homogeneity for ever.I was responding to a post that asked me about the benefits of a homogeneous society and how that can be achieved .
Teaching kids at school the very basics of Christianity is just one way to achieve a homogeneous society.
To have a homogeneous society requires a level of integration were people are encouraged to fit into mainstream society. Christianity is the most popular religion in Australia, it has played the greatest role in shaping our history and it would be the religion most Australians are comfortable having taught to their kids.
In my opinion, people have been using religion and religious beliefs to push political and social agendas. And that there are many challenging issues, currently, that are connected to religion, or hidden behind religious beliefs.A homogeneous society means we are united as one nation rather than divided into separate tribes often conflicting with one and other.
The benefits are many including facing challenges as one, the ability to get along with each other, more civil elections and political discore, people tend to donate more time and money to charitable causes, less crime, less need for government regulation and greater individual freedom.
A simple shared set of social norms and values that bind us together is the right approach. Skin colour is not relevant.
The covid-19 outbreak is a good example of how a lack of cohesiveness can cause trouble. Case numbers are much higher in areas that could be described as ethnic enclaves in Melbourne and Sydney. Than because we are not all on the same page government regulation via lockdowns is required to tackle the virus
Another example is how we tackle climate change. We just can not come close to an agreement.
I would also suggest Its very hard to have a civil political discussion in this country involving people with diverse viewpoints.
The predominant religion in this country is Christianity and it has played a greater role than any other religion in shaping our history.
You can bind people through other avenues by all means. Christianity tho is an effective tool. You get a set of values from one clear source of authority.
The problem with educating, teaching, looking for solutions, and fixing the problem... Is that then, certain people, don't believe it was ever a problem. Especially if it's complicated and vested interests push against it.This eco warrior fear mongering is not new, remember growing up in school being told about the ozone hole being dangerous on a daily basis in primary school by teachers.
This eco warrior fear mongering is not new, remember growing up in school being told about the ozone hole being dangerous on a daily basis in primary school by teachers.
Why should religion be taught at all in schools?I was responding to a post that asked me about the benefits of a homogeneous society and how that can be achieved .
Teaching kids at school the very basics of Christianity is just one way to achieve a homogeneous society.
To have a homogeneous society requires a level of integration were people are encouraged to fit into mainstream society. Christianity is the most popular religion in Australia, it has played the greatest role in shaping our history and it would be the religion most Australians are comfortable having taught to their kids.
I have my own biases, so I may read into things.
But I believe the main concern is pushing an anti-climate science/pro-fossil fuel agenda, rather than these leaders and groups having any real concern about the mental health of children.
It is actually just virtue signalling.
Putting more funding into mental health would be the most obvious and genuine first step.
Given the current religious, non-religious, political and cultural diversity of Australia, teaching christianity in schools would not create an homogenous society; on the contrary, it would irreparably destroy the possibility of any potential homogeneity for ever.
I mean, do you seriously think that atheists, agnostics, muslims, buddhists, hindus, etc, etc are just going to calmly roll over and agree to their kids being indoctrinated in an alien religion, and Kumbaya!?
Moreover, some of us are old enough to remember when Australia was actually a predominately "christian" country, but one of, if not the, most socially and politically divisive forces in the land was religion and the sectarianism which permeated almost every social institution, right up to and including parliament. In other words, we've tried it, and it didn't work.
In my opinion, people have been using religion and religious beliefs to push political and social agendas. And that there are many challenging issues, currently, that are connected to religion, or hidden behind religious beliefs.
You bring up COVID-19. Religion and/or religious belief has caused some division due to people believing their God will save them, or that it is their God's will. People have said that if it's their time, it's their time. God knows best. etc.
So that is in direct opposition to the 1st of your two examples.
Tackling climate change. There has been generations of religion attempting to discredit science. I don't believe there are many people genuinely believing they need to oppose a reduction in pollution due to their religious beliefs. But there are a number of people hiding behind religion to push an anti-science political/social movement.
Which part of Christianity do you want to see enforced? Catholicism?
Why do you want this to be Governmentally regulated, while arguing to decrease regulations?
When has Australia ever had an "homogeneous society", and when would you argue it was an improvement over what we've had over the last 20 years?
What is an ethnic enclave?
Why did you bring up skin colour?
You have it arse-about.Parents who don't want there kids taught Christianity have the option of saying no.
I am not advocating we have the churches running government and all aspects of society far from it. What I am advocating for is kids in primary School have a 30 minute lesson in Christianity every 2nd week like I had at a public school in the 90s in an outer eastern Melbourne suburb. Nothing more.
It's virtue signalling.It's such a bizarre policy direction and I really fail to see the connection between climate change and chaplains. If mental health in kids is such a concern, then additional funding for psychologists and social workers in schools makes a lot more sense.
I would argue that immigration and international trade have played a bigger role in the prosperity of Australia, overall, than Christianity has.Australia is one of the greatest countries in the world and has been so for the past 100 years. Christianity has played a big role in this.
The new testament at its heart is about a man who came to serve the physical, emotional and spiritual needs of others while preaching the need for love, sharing, compassion and forgiveness.
The notion of service to others is something that should be taught in schools.
To me, that message opposes your position on an homogenous society.The notion of service to others is something that should be taught in schools.
I've never seen a reasonable argument for ecumenism through schools.At a primary school level the denomination would not be relevant. They would be teaching children's bible stories.
But that isn't what's happening, and it's not what this thread is about.I wouldn't describe parents being given the option of having their child taught Christianity at school as government regulation.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...en-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism
So now the LNP want to gaslight the nation's children?
This is abhorrent, one of the worst things this sh*tstain of a government could possibly have come up with.
What the fu** is a ******* chaplain going to tell them about climate science?
This government would like nothing better than to take society back to the Dark Ages, and sadly Australia's voting public will go along for the ride with their eyes screwed up tight.
Disgusting.
I can't believe that a Goddamned chaplaincy program is funded at all in this day and age - where's the outrage?
In a multi-cultural, multi-denominational Australian society how can reinforcing outdated, white-Australia-era policies pass muster?
I moved to Qld a few years ago now and was dismayed to learn that kids at my daughter's school were subject to Religious (read: Christian only) Instruction in this day and age - we had to opt out and were met with pious disappointment - fu** YOU.
Australia's youth are orders of magnitude more intelligent than our backwards politicians, thankfully the kids have the good sense to place their faith in scientific expertise rather than the whims of ******* Invisible Sky Fairies.
What a country we're turning into
This eco warrior fear mongering is not new, remember growing up in school being told about the ozone hole being dangerous on a daily basis in primary school by teachers.
Yep, and at that stage in our lives, we never had the capability to research and question it. We just accepted what we were told.
Just like our kids today.
Whatever Happened to the Hole in the Ozone Layer?
The discovery of the ozone hole shocked the world and propelled nations into action. Decades later, where does the problem stand?www.discovermagazine.com
Or, governments got together and agreed on the Montreal Protocol to regulate the control of the gasses which were depleting the Ozone layer, and it was highly effective in preventing further damage and the environment returned to equilibrium when those governments made commitments and stuck to them?
Nah. It was people terrorising their kids. Yep. That one.
Um, mate, the goalposts are over there. Why are you kicking the ball that way?We were certainly not subjected to the same alarmist crap we are constantly bombarded with today.
We continued to learn Maths, English etc rather than being encouraged to engage in political protest during school hours.