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Bernie Quinlan​

Born:21-Jul-1951 (Debut:17y 342d Last:35y 61d)

Height: 193 cm Weight: 97 kg

Patrick Cripps​

Born:18-Mar-1995 (Debut:19y 25d Last:27y 51d)

Height: 195 cm Weight: 92 kg

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Watching that video and I know They were probably finals but a packed suburban ground with 20,000 make a thousand times better atmosphere then 40,000 at the mcg.
 

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Watching that video and I know They were probably finals but a packed suburban ground with 20,000 make a thousand times better atmosphere then 40,000 at the mcg.
I was at the Junction Oval when Bernie kicked that goal from 40-50sec but the first time I have seen the video footage (Carlton lost that day). Ball would have gone 80m. A perfect barrel on the run adjacent to the edge of the square that went through post high (replay doesn't show where the ball ended up).
 

Timothy Luncheon

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lynch has hit a purple patch but i dont think he or us will be consistent enough for him to take it out in the end. was nowhere near it until the last 2 weeks, and plenty more teams have to play wc
He's scored a goal in all of our matches mate. The things you post on the Richmond board baffle me
 

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He's scored a goal in all of our matches mate. The things you post on the Richmond board baffle me
Prior to beating up on West Coast he kicked 14 goal in 6 games, barely over 2 per match. That's not Coleman form. Simply kicking a goal a match doesn't equate to him being consistent enough to win a Coleman.
 

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Prior to beating up on West Coast he kicked 14 goal in 6 games, barely over 2 per match. That's not Coleman form. Simply kicking a goal a match doesn't equate to him being consistent enough to win a Coleman.
On the other side of things, he's beaten McGovern and Darcy Moore to kick those goals - hardly what you call easy beats. He is running more freely than he has since being at the club. If he can remain injury-free, the guy has enough talent to win the Coleman. He is a huge unit who is great in the air and not a mug when the ball hits the ground. Also, all Coleman medal winners of recent times have had matches where they have booted big bags and others where they have just scored a couple on average. There is nothing unusual about that.
 

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Riewoldt broke his hand early rd 1 this season and was hampered.

Since returning in rd 4, 12 goals in 5 games at an average goals per game that would put him 14th overall for the season, and his score involvements in those 5 games would rank him about 20th for specialist forwards. Last season he had 51 goals + 17 goals assists - so 68 goals + goal assists - from 22 matches. Coleman Medallist McKay had 64 goals + goal assists from 19 matches. Overall, Riewoldt wasn’t too far below Hawkins and McKay in 2021 and they were the All Australia key forwards.

Whilst there are plenty of other forwards around going a bit better than Riewoldt at the moment any suggestion Lynch will kick more goals because Jack is not playing well are very wide of the mark based on the available evidence.

Nah it’s just the potential for Hawkins and Cameron to steal goals of each other is more likely than Riewoldt and Lynch to steal goals of each other. I believe the skill gap between Hawkins and Cameron is smaller than Riewoldt and Lynch irrespective of who kicks more goals than the other in the end. We’ll just have to see what happens.
 

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Nah it’s just the potential for Hawkins and Cameron to steal goals of each other is more likely than Riewoldt and Lynch to steal goals of each other. I believe the skill gap between Hawkins and Cameron is smaller than Riewoldt and Lynch irrespective of who kicks more goals than the other in the end. We’ll just have to see what happens.

Lol you are talking about a 700+ goal forward who kicked 51 goals last season in 22 games.

Riewoldt is 33 yrs 6 months. Lynch is 29 years 6 months.

Hawkins 33 yrs 9 months. Cameron 29 yrs 1 month.

Overall, it is arguable Riewoldt has the best record of all of them, but they are all marquee forwards. Tigers might target Martin and Bolton a bit more than Cats would target their alternative goal kickers but Riewoldt is still a very viable forward target.
 

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Lol you are talking about a 700+ goal forward who kicked 51 goals last season in 22 games.

Riewoldt is 33 yrs 6 months. Lynch is 29 years 6 months.

Hawkins 33 yrs 9 months. Cameron 29 yrs 1 month.

Overall, it is arguable Riewoldt has the best record of all of them, but they are all marquee forwards. Tigers might target Martin and Bolton a bit more than Cats would target their alternative goal kickers but Riewoldt is still a very viable forward target.

Relax just a minute, yes imo he’s the best career wise but over the last couple of years Hawkins and Cameron have been better. Lynch was only better in 2019, is this fair enough? I mean Hawkins and Cameron are 19/20 Coleman medalists after all. Jack is still very good though.
 

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Prior to beating up on West Coast he kicked 14 goal in 6 games, barely over 2 per match. That's not Coleman form. Simply kicking a goal a match doesn't equate to him being consistent enough to win a Coleman.
He's on 27 goals at this point, these days anything above about 65 for the year puts you in with a shot. 5 goals a fortnight would get him to 62 goals at end of year, anything more than that return and he's well in the running.
 

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Relax just a minute, yes imo he’s the best career wise but over the last couple of years Hawkins and Cameron have been better. Lynch was only better in 2019, is this fair enough? I mean Hawkins and Cameron are 19/20 Coleman medalists after all. Jack is still very good though.

I’m not sure any of these guys miss out on the Coleman because someone steals goals off them. Teams tend to have two or mostly 3 players who are within range of goal most of the match. Cats have Hawkins-Cameron-Stengle at present. Tigers have Lynch-Riewoldt-Martin/Bolton.

If you have a stronger alternative aerial target in your team then you might get targetted slightly less, but on average you will have a slightly weaker opponent. No teams are going to be taking liberties on any of these players. If you think Riewoldt is the weakest link and treat him accordingly, like all the others for both teams he will tear you to shreds in minutes as I am sure we will see at times this season.

Last year I think was a very weak year for chief goal kickers and McKay won the Coleman with a strong but non-elite season, where he was a bit below an average winner for goals, but well below for goal assists and I think 8th for score involvements of the top 14 or something like that. That is rare.

Hawkins/Cameron have 47 goals between them this year but also 15 goal assists. And a good portion of those goal assists will be to the other one. Hawkins has a massive 8.8 average score involvements, so he has been involved in about 33 scores where he hasn’t scored. Cameron has 20 score involvements where he hasn’t scored. Lynch only has 16 score involvements where he hasn’t scored and Riewoldt 13(missed 2 games.) The Tiger pair have 6 goal assists between them. It is a fair bet to this point of the season at least, the Cats pair have benefitted more from each others presence than the Tiger pair have. And that rather than stealing goals from each other to a greater extent than Lynch/Riewoldt, so far the Cat’s pair are likely creating goals for each other to a greater extent than the Tiger pairing.

From watching, of the group I would say Cameron is benefitting the most from Hawkins and the stats bear that out.
 

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I’m not sure any of these guys miss out on the Coleman because someone steals goals off them. Teams tend to have two or mostly 3 players who are within range of goal most of the match. Cats have Hawkins-Cameron-Stengle at present. Tigers have Lynch-Riewoldt-Martin/Bolton.

If you have a stronger alternative aerial target in your team then you might get targetted slightly less, but on average you will have a slightly weaker opponent. No teams are going to be taking liberties on any of these players. If you think Riewoldt is the weakest link and treat him accordingly, like all the others for both teams he will tear you to shreds in minutes as I am sure we will see at times this season.

Last year I think was a very weak year for chief goal kickers and McKay won the Coleman with a strong but non-elite season, where he was a bit below an average winner for goals, but well below for goal assists and I think 8th for score involvements of the top 14 or something like that. That is rare.

Hawkins/Cameron have 47 goals between them this year but also 15 goal assists. And a good portion of those goal assists will be to the other one. Hawkins has a massive 8.8 average score involvements, so he has been involved in about 33 scores where he hasn’t scored. Cameron has 20 score involvements where he hasn’t scored. Lynch only has 16 score involvements where he hasn’t scored and Riewoldt 13(missed 2 games.) The Tiger pair have 6 goal assists between them. It is a fair bet to this point of the season at least, the Cats pair have benefitted more from each others presence than the Tiger pair have. And that rather than stealing goals from each other to a greater extent than Lynch/Riewoldt, so far the Cat’s pair are likely creating goals for each other to a greater extent than the Tiger pairing.

From watching, of the group I would say Cameron is benefitting the most from Hawkins and the stats bear that out.

Fair enough, we’ll see I guess. Hope Lynch wins it 🤞
 

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Fair enough, we’ll see I guess. Hope Lynch wins it 🤞

I’m not a big one for awards etc. But would definitely love to see Lynch have a great year. He has become a very under-rated player, I think mainly due to the way the Tigers have used him, and also playing without being fully fit a fair bit last year at least.

There are about 15 key forwards this year who can make a major impact I think, though some are already missing quite a few games….so that makes the Coleman near impossible.

McKay, Curnow, Lynch, Riewoldt, Cameron, Hawkins, Walker, Taberner, Naughton, Lewis, King, Daniher, Franklin, Larkey, Wright.

If Cameron plays every game I think he should win it. Absolutely trough snouts the weaker oppo, plays in a good team, has the right role and gets loads of good support from Hawkins, who also diverts a fair bit of attention from him. I don’t rate him hugely as a player but he is a very good goal kicker. Lynch is in front and moving very well, he will be thereabouts barring missing multiple matches. Curnow has possibly been the most impressive forward this season, but interesting to see how he gets on without the other key forward there. Naughton is good enough but I am not sure he can win it without more support forward to take some opposition heat off him. A Hawkins or Riewoldt can just suddenly get 15 goals in 3 matches and come right into it, but you would think their roles might put a bit of a ceiling on their chances. I am a big Taberner fan and had he not missed several games already think he’d be a real chance in a good Freo team, I wouldn’t mind betting he is up there for average goals per game at season’s end.

If I were betting on average goals per game over the whole season I probably go:

1 Cameron
2 Taberner
3 Lynch
4 Curnow
5 Naughton
6 Franklin
7 Hawkins
8 Riewoldt
9 Lewis
10 Wright
11 Walker
12 Daniher
13 McKay
14 Larkey
15 King

But I expect all of these to average about 2.4-3.0 goals per game, I can not really recall such an even bunch of KPF goal kickers, so my confidence on that order even being vaguely indicative at the end of the season is quite low.
 

Timothy Luncheon

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Prior to beating up on West Coast he kicked 14 goal in 6 games, barely over 2 per match. That's not Coleman form. Simply kicking a goal a match doesn't equate to him being consistent enough to win a Coleman.
Don’t think he’ll win the Coleman either, but your comments on the Richmond board also suggest that you think he’s not been up to standard bar 2 games. Averaging 2 a match when our scoring has come from other avenues as well is quite good
 

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