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[its free real estate]

It's just like the global warming debate... 'other people are doing it, so why can't we'. I don't accept that argument from my five-year-old.

Except unlike global warming, we aren't even big polluters in terms of marine waste on a per capita basis. We generally make sure we have reasonably clean waterways and oceans. This is not the case in many other countries. The plastic bag ban won't even make a dent on the minimal plastic waste we put into the oceans ourselves, let alone the global problem.

 

[cartwright]

Except unlike global warming, we aren't even big polluters in terms of marine waste on a per capita basis. We generally make sure we have reasonably clean waterways and oceans. This is not the case in many other countries. The plastic bag ban won't even make a dent on the minimal plastic waste we put into the oceans ourselves, let alone the global problem.

Contrary to 2 submissions

The Total Environment Centre submitted that the introduction of a container deposit scheme, and the banning of lightweight single-use plastic bags and products containing microbeads would result in a reduction of over 70 per cent in marine plastic pollution within a 3–5 year period.[51] Clean Up Australia similarly stated that such bans would have a 'drastic impact on the number of items entering the marine environment'.[52]

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentar...and_Communications/Marine_plastics/Report/c07

 

[its free real estate]

Contrary to 2 submissions

The Total Environment Centre submitted that the introduction of a container deposit scheme, and the banning of lightweight single-use plastic bags and products containing microbeads would result in a reduction of over 70 per cent in marine plastic pollution within a 3–5 year period.[51] Clean Up Australia similarly stated that such bans would have a 'drastic impact on the number of items entering the marine environment'.[52]

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentar...and_Communications/Marine_plastics/Report/c07

There are three things suggested there, you dope.

 

[cartwright]

There are three things suggested there, you dope.

Great answer.

Some more information for you

This study again suggested that most marine debris in the Australian region is domestic. It was found that debris in the marine environment appears to increase with the local population. The data also suggested that areas that have a high population in the region, but relatively isolated coast, tend to have high amounts of debris, consistent with illegal dumping.[60]

And
Clean Up Australia estimated in 2009 that over 3.9 billion single-use plastic bags are consumed each year with the Australian Government believing that around 2 per cent of these bags enter the litter stream each year.

So, while Asia is a big part of this problem, we certainly use too much plastic and reducing single use plastic bags is a good start.

 

[its free real estate]

Great answer.

Some more information for you

This study again suggested that most marine debris in the Australian region is domestic. It was found that debris in the marine environment appears to increase with the local population. The data also suggested that areas that have a high population in the region, but relatively isolated coast, tend to have high amounts of debris, consistent with illegal dumping.[60]

And
Clean Up Australia estimated in 2009 that over 3.9 billion single-use plastic bags are consumed each year with the Australian Government believing that around 2 per cent of these bags enter the litter stream each year.

So, while Asia is a big part of this problem, we certainly use too much plastic and reducing single use plastic bags is a good start.

'Litter stream' doesn't mean waterways. You are conflating different facts to create a narrative that isn't there. The marine plastic problem is insignificant in Australia. Nothing in this study says otherwise.

 

[AM]

Great answer.

Some more information for you

This study again suggested that most marine debris in the Australian region is domestic. It was found that debris in the marine environment appears to increase with the local population. The data also suggested that areas that have a high population in the region, but relatively isolated coast, tend to have high amounts of debris, consistent with illegal dumping.[60]

And
Clean Up Australia estimated in 2009 that over 3.9 billion single-use plastic bags are consumed each year with the Australian Government believing that around 2 per cent of these bags enter the litter stream each year.

So, while Asia is a big part of this problem, we certainly use too much plastic and reducing single use plastic bags is a good start.

It’s not only the marine life that is adversely affected it’s bird life too. A study by Prof Holmes of the Uni of Melbourne has shown 90% of seabirds have been found to have plastic in their guts. He also indicated that deep sea microplastic sediments are being found from the Atlantic Ocean, Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean.

The Prof also said that recycling of plastic bags, or expanded polystyrene foam used in coffee cups, has not been perfected and the measures currently being tested are expensive.

The bigger picture which is that the manufacture of plastic bags isn’t cheap nor is the recycling presently under test. The Neanderthals also don’t acknowledge that a significant proportion of the population don’t recycle and never will.

The simplest and most cost effective way of improving the situation is to cease the production of the plastic bags. And as Peter Fitzsimons says in today’s Age “How freaking hard is this? And if the government can’t show the lead on something as dead simple, and dead obvious as that, what can they do?”

 

[Bollox]

Maybe just go to the fruit and vege section of woolies and grab 50+ of those free peel off ones each time you visit. The missus reckons they're even better for freezer bags, dog shit gloves and scraps.

Aint progress wonderful. One of the cleanest societies on earth only leads to you copping the meaningless restrictions from the virtue signallers, that could only make any difference to anything if it were imposed on the dirty societies.

Was a time not so long ago when supermarkets became larger on the basis of convenience.

In a relatively short time they managed to make higher profits by convincing the eternal moron element that offering less employment and less convenience was good for them....whilst artificially regulating prices at levels independent of supply and demand.

So instead of people simply forcing the supermarkets to put on more check out chicks, employing more at THEIR cost, the moron element thought it was cool to use the whiz bang "new tech" that allowed the clones to do their own check out work.

So we blindly start to accept that idiotic "advance" and now we are meant to lug around bags whilst shopping, then go to the supermarket and have the honour of doing their work for them. We liked the idea of giving them a bit of a helping hand.

So instead of queuing up at the normal checkout enjoying the convenient experience they were designed to offer, they make us queue up the same way but scan and pack our own shit into our own bags that we now need to lug around whilst shopping. We love it.

Thats real progress Good work folks These supermarkets sure do seem to onto a good thing.
Perhaps if we are smart enough we can get them to charge a rental on the shopping trolleys to and from the car, to help pay for "pollution" during their production. That might help save the planet too.

Shop local and ask for a plastic carry bag. Support your local shop. They're invariably thicker and better bags anyway.

 

[Gough]

Your right to a plastic bag, the burning new civil rights issue in this country. Anything that can possibly be implied as environmentally friendly in this country is enough to send conservative commentators into paroxsyms of rage.

 

[AM]

Your right to a plastic bag, the burning new civil rights issue in this country. Anything that can possibly be implied as environmentally friendly in this country is enough to send conservative commentators into paroxsyms of rage.

Unfortunately some can’t see the bigger picture or that this is just one environmentally sensible measure. And conflate a whole lot of unrelated stuff to boot.

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[CheapCharlie]

Is it so hard to bring along a bag?
For around $2 u can buy one that fold into a pocket size.
Is 15 cents x 3 or 4 bags on a $80 bill too much to afford?

 

[BEaston]

Maybe just go to the fruit and vege section of woolies and grab 50+ of those free peel off ones each time you visit. The missus reckons they're even better for freezer bags, dog shit gloves and scraps.

Aint progress wonderful. One of the cleanest societies on earth only leads to you copping the meaningless restrictions from the virtue signallers, that could only make any difference to anything if it were imposed on the dirty societies.

Was a time not so long ago when supermarkets became larger on the basis of convenience.

In a relatively short time they managed to make higher profits by convincing the eternal moron element that offering less employment and less convenience was good for them....whilst artificially regulating prices at levels independent of supply and demand.

So instead of people simply forcing the supermarkets to put on more check out chicks, employing more at THEIR cost, the moron element thought it was cool to use the whiz bang "new tech" that allowed the clones to do their own check out work.

So we blindly start to accept that idiotic "advance" and now we are meant to lug around bags whilst shopping, then go to the supermarket and have the honour of doing their work for them. We liked the idea of giving them a bit of a helping hand.

So instead of queuing up at the normal checkout enjoying the convenient experience they were designed to offer, they make us queue up the same way but scan and pack our own shit into our own bags that we now need to lug around whilst shopping. We love it.

Thats real progress Good work folks These supermarkets sure do seem to onto a good thing.
Perhaps if we are smart enough we can get them to charge a rental on the shopping trolleys to and from the car, to help pay for "pollution" during their production. That might help save the planet too.

Shop local and ask for a plastic carry bag. Support your local shop. They're invariably thicker and better bags anyway.

**** me, life is hard isn't it.

 

[Bollox]

Got another 7or8 of those thick woolies plastic bags last night. Not so envirofriendly i woulda thought. Got maybe 15-20 now and might need to throw most of them out.
They're going to be nasty in the ocean. Cant see them being anything but worse.

Just add the $1.00 Enviroflogsavestheworld tax onto the shopping bill, and await the next moronic thought bubble tax.

 

[CheapCharlie]

back in Queensland and all the shops now have a minimum 10cents cost to plastic bags. A sign here says the state government introduced some kind of tax

I've noticed the checkout time is slower in the Fruit & veg and Supermarkets as people take longer to pack their own bags and make room

 

[JackOutback]

Got another 7or8 of those thick woolies plastic bags last night. Not so envirofriendly i woulda thought. Got maybe 15-20 now and might need to throw most of them out.
They're going to be nasty in the ocean. Cant see them being anything but worse.

Just add the $1.00 Enviroflogsavestheworld tax onto the shopping bill, and await the next moronic thought bubble tax.

You don’t have to throw them out; that’s on you. If you can’t be bothered putting them in your car and using them instead of getting another 7 or 8, maybe accept you’re in the wrong and not the legislation.

 

[cartwright]

Got another 7or8 of those thick woolies plastic bags last night. Not so envirofriendly i woulda thought. Got maybe 15-20 now and might need to throw most of them out.
They're going to be nasty in the ocean. Cant see them being anything but worse.

Just add the $1.00 Enviroflogsavestheworld tax onto the shopping bill, and await the next moronic thought bubble tax.

But now you're throwing your money away. So, I bet you do eventually start bringing your own bags.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Maybe just go to the fruit and vege section of woolies and grab 50+ of those free peel off ones each time you visit. The missus reckons they're even better for freezer bags, dog shit gloves and scraps.

Aint progress wonderful. One of the cleanest societies on earth only leads to you copping the meaningless restrictions from the virtue signallers, that could only make any difference to anything if it were imposed on the dirty societies.

Was a time not so long ago when supermarkets became larger on the basis of convenience.

In a relatively short time they managed to make higher profits by convincing the eternal moron element that offering less employment and less convenience was good for them....whilst artificially regulating prices at levels independent of supply and demand.

So instead of people simply forcing the supermarkets to put on more check out chicks, employing more at THEIR cost, the moron element thought it was cool to use the whiz bang "new tech" that allowed the clones to do their own check out work.

So we blindly start to accept that idiotic "advance" and now we are meant to lug around bags whilst shopping, then go to the supermarket and have the honour of doing their work for them. We liked the idea of giving them a bit of a helping hand.

So instead of queuing up at the normal checkout enjoying the convenient experience they were designed to offer, they make us queue up the same way but scan and pack our own shit into our own bags that we now need to lug around whilst shopping. We love it.

Thats real progress Good work folks These supermarkets sure do seem to onto a good thing.
Perhaps if we are smart enough we can get them to charge a rental on the shopping trolleys to and from the car, to help pay for "pollution" during their production. That might help save the planet too.

Shop local and ask for a plastic carry bag. Support your local shop. They're invariably thicker and better bags anyway.

Ummmm.... You do realise that self-checkout increases convenience in the vast majority of situations... Don't you? I cannot ever think of a time, perhaps maybe Christmas, where every register is open at a supermarket. Queue times have been vastly reduced using this method as the net number of checkouts is greater than it ever could have been otherwise?

The gist I got out of all of this rant is that you're anti-progress...

 

[Bollox]

Seems i have a few suggestions from dimwits riding unicorns.

A little insight from the real world for this morning.

I'll be going down later to look for a birthday present for a niece and maybe browse around for some shirts and ties. No idea really, but general window shopping before needing to be back about 11. Will probably end up with a couple of bags the shops put things in. I need a few goods not many, so will drop into woolies again before heading back to the car. Which means maybe 1 or 2 more of those thick plastic bags from the supermarket.
Havent found a use for the other 20 odd i've accrued so far, plus i've purchased plastic bin liners for the first time in ages.

Can someone recommend how i should be carrying around these apparently reusable bags ?
Under my arm perhaps ? In my coat pocket ? Stuff them in my pants ? Buy one of those bumbag things and tie it around my waist ?

I'm unsure of the correct protocol.
Should i totally change my habit of parking, opening the door and locking it whilst i do a bit of shopping before going to the supermarket on the way back then heading home ?...should i instead be parking the car, taking bags from the boot then going to the supermarket first, then take the goods back to the car and locking up again before walking back in to go shopping ? 2 trips instead of one. Admittedly this means the seafood and maybe frozens might warm a little in the boot whilst i go shopping for an hour or two, but is that the way it is supposed to work ? Perhaps i should buy a plastic esky and leave in the back of the car ?

Obviously i cant just walk round with plastic bags, whilst i get more plastic bags from the other shops, so how can i be of assistance ? I'd hate to think i'm some sort of turtle killer, or even worse a non progressive that doesnt like seeing another tax going onto low income earners.

Hmmm. Nahh i just cant see these thicker bags being a pretty sight floating about in the harbours and rivers. They make better carry bags as well which means more likely to be used as transport for family days outside where they might blow away or be left.

Anyone hop off their unicorn for a moment and explain to me why i wouldnt spend 30c in woolies today so that i'm not inconvenienced ?

 

[Gough]

Just make sure you're really loud and pointed about the whole thing so everyone can see what a badass you are about the issue.

 

[JackOutback]

Seems i have a few suggestions from dimwits riding unicorns.

A little insight from the real world for this morning.

I'll be going down later to look for a birthday present for a niece and maybe browse around for some shirts and ties. No idea really, but general window shopping before needing to be back about 11. Will probably end up with a couple of bags the shops put things in. I need a few goods not many, so will drop into woolies again before heading back to the car. Which means maybe 1 or 2 more of those thick plastic bags from the supermarket.
Havent found a use for the other 20 odd i've accrued so far, plus i've purchased plastic bin liners for the first time in ages.

Can someone recommend how i should be carrying around these apparently reusable bags ?
Under my arm perhaps ? In my coat pocket ? Stuff them in my pants ? Buy one of those bumbag things and tie it around my waist ?

I'm unsure of the correct protocol.
Should i totally change my habit of parking, opening the door and locking it whilst i do a bit of shopping before going to the supermarket on the way back then heading home ?...should i instead be parking the car, taking bags from the boot then going to the supermarket first, then take the goods back to the car and locking up again before walking back in to go shopping ? 2 trips instead of one. Admittedly this means the seafood and maybe frozens might warm a little in the boot whilst i go shopping for an hour or two, but is that the way it is supposed to work ? Perhaps i should buy a plastic esky and leave in the back of the car ?

Obviously i cant just walk round with plastic bags, whilst i get more plastic bags from the other shops, so how can i be of assistance ? I'd hate to think i'm some sort of turtle killer, or even worse a non progressive that doesnt like seeing another tax going onto low income earners.

Hmmm. Nahh i just cant see these thicker bags being a pretty sight floating about in the harbours and rivers. They make better carry bags as well which means more likely to be used as transport for family days outside where they might blow away or be left.

Anyone hop off their unicorn for a moment and explain to me why i wouldnt spend 30c in woolies today so that i'm not inconvenienced ?

Gee, when you put it like that, you really are in an impossible situation.

 

[cartwright]

Hahaha.

Wonder how some adults deal with real issues in life.

 

[Chief]

My plastic bags are re used to put food scraps in, now I will have to buy plastic bin liners. Nothing has change other than coles and woolies make more money.

Get a compost bin.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Seems i have a few suggestions from dimwits riding unicorns.

A little insight from the real world for this morning.

I'll be going down later to look for a birthday present for a niece and maybe browse around for some shirts and ties. No idea really, but general window shopping before needing to be back about 11. Will probably end up with a couple of bags the shops put things in. I need a few goods not many, so will drop into woolies again before heading back to the car. Which means maybe 1 or 2 more of those thick plastic bags from the supermarket.
Havent found a use for the other 20 odd i've accrued so far, plus i've purchased plastic bin liners for the first time in ages.

Can someone recommend how i should be carrying around these apparently reusable bags ?
Under my arm perhaps ? In my coat pocket ? Stuff them in my pants ? Buy one of those bumbag things and tie it around my waist ?

I'm unsure of the correct protocol.
Should i totally change my habit of parking, opening the door and locking it whilst i do a bit of shopping before going to the supermarket on the way back then heading home ?...should i instead be parking the car, taking bags from the boot then going to the supermarket first, then take the goods back to the car and locking up again before walking back in to go shopping ? 2 trips instead of one. Admittedly this means the seafood and maybe frozens might warm a little in the boot whilst i go shopping for an hour or two, but is that the way it is supposed to work ? Perhaps i should buy a plastic esky and leave in the back of the car ?

Obviously i cant just walk round with plastic bags, whilst i get more plastic bags from the other shops, so how can i be of assistance ? I'd hate to think i'm some sort of turtle killer, or even worse a non progressive that doesnt like seeing another tax going onto low income earners.

Hmmm. Nahh i just cant see these thicker bags being a pretty sight floating about in the harbours and rivers. They make better carry bags as well which means more likely to be used as transport for family days outside where they might blow away or be left.

Anyone hop off their unicorn for a moment and explain to me why i wouldnt spend 30c in woolies today so that i'm not inconvenienced ?

How do you solve complex problems in your life and deal with unexpected events?

I'm surprised you survive on a weeky basis

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Seems i have a few suggestions from dimwits riding unicorns.

A little insight from the real world for this morning.

Given how much trouble you seem to be having with existence, I'm more curious about how you're travelling with things like tying your shoelaces or remembering to put your pants on before your shoes.

 

[skilts]

Has that soccer team been rescued from Coles Cave yet?