Society/Culture Coles caves

[Taylor]

Most of the plastic in the oceans comes from South East Asia. I went swimming at Christmas Island a few years back, and the reef was covered in plastic. None of it was coming from the island itself.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...addiction-blights-worlds-oceans-idUSKCN1J10LM

Oh no, it sounds like one of those things where no matter what we do it will have no impact.

 

[BobbyMorri]

Nothing is preventing you from using these new bags as bin liners or other rubbish. You now have a very small cost attached to it. You need to have a cost for this incentive to work. Anything free, we take advantage of. I always forget my bags as well. Because of the cost, I do use less of them. That works for me

Can't believe how much the Eastern states have sooked about this. SA/Tas/ACT has done this for years and it is a good thing overall. Who cares if doesn't change the world/wider picture, not everything has to. But it is a step in the right direction.

And seriously, it is 15 bloody cents.

 

[Taylor]

If the reason isn't enough to motivate people to make the change themselves, maybe the reason needs to be sold better - rather than adding a feel good tax to a pointless display?

If I set up a Go Fund Me page where I took donations to buy bulk plastic bags direct from the manufacturer so I could dispose of them in an environmentally friendly way it would achieve the same result with the added benefit of stimulating the economy.

Are there studies on spending in relation to fast food when taxes are added to make them a less financially desirable food option? Does consumption reduce at all or does it simply cost more money?

 

[Upgrayedd]

Apparently the concept of taking your own bag or bags to the supermarket is too difficult to understand for many Australians.

thousands of years of evolution and taking away plastic shopping bags is the downfall of society.

 

[Tiger08]

Nothing is preventing you from using these new bags as bin liners or other rubbish. You now have a very small cost attached to it. You need to have a cost for this attentive to work. Anything free, we take advantage of. I always forget my bags as well. Because of the cost, I do use less of them. That works for me

Can't believe how much the Eastern states have sooked about this. SA/Tas/ACT has done this for years and it is a good thing overall. Who cares if doesn't change the world/wider picture, not everything has to. But it is a step in the right direction.

And seriously, it is 15 bloody cents.

So basically your saying just let Coles charge for the same thing they've being giving away for free. With no benefit to the environment either way.

Great.

 

[BEaston]

There is a plastic bag ban in the ACT and the general impression is that it didn't solve anything.



https://www.canberratimes.com.au/na...ic-bag-ban-amid-concerns-20180126-h0onn5.html

I've lived in Canberra for a quite a while and I can honestly say that >80% of shoppers bring their own bags to the supermarket. My opinion is that Rattenbury is well off the mark on this.

 

[Upgrayedd]

So basically your saying just let Coles charge for the same thing they've being giving away for free. With no benefit to the environment either way.

Great.

...Unless people then use the material bags, Which they have done for years in SA, and now in WA. In which usage of plastic bags dropped. Which is

Well a benefit to the Enviroment.

 

[BEaston]

So basically your saying just let Coles charge for the same thing they've being giving away for free. With no benefit to the environment either way.

Great.

Over time most people will get fed up with buying them repeatedly and will start to reuse the 15c ones or buy more study ones that last a long time. That has happened in other states and it will impact the environment, even if in a small amount.

 

[Seeds]

Yeah, my brain is hardwired to avoid spending money I don't have to even if its just 5 cents.

That’s ridiculous. If I drop a dollar on the ground I can’t even be bothered to pick it up cos the effort of bending over simply ain’t worth a dollar.

But let’s say it’s not ridiculous and every cent matters. A company needs to make a standard rate of return. If it’s costs goes up, say from giving bags away or free, then it will just increase the markup on the goods you pay for to earn the same rate of return. End result is the average consumer pays just as much for groceries as when the bags are not free.

Or in other words, plastic bags do not grow on trees. There is no free lunch. The consumer always pays whether directly or indirectly.

 

[BobbyMorri]

So basically your saying just let Coles charge for the same thing they've being giving away for free. With no benefit to the environment either way.

Great.

Is that what I am saying....really.

You need to have a cost for this incentive to work. Anything free, we take advantage of. I always forget my bags as well. Because of the cost, I do use less of them. That works for me

I am using fewer bags, hence I chuck out fewer bags(not that I chuck any out). Fewer bags means less production which means it is better for the environment.

If bags were free, I wouldn't carry groceries to the car or fully stuck a bag. You need a cost to change behaviour.

 

[its free real estate]

I've lived in Canberra for a quite a while and I can honestly say that >80% of shoppers bring their own bags to the supermarket. My opinion is that Rattenbury is well off the mark on this.

People were doing that before plastic bags were banned though.

In Canberra you still get free plastic bags at IGA's and the markets. They haven't gone away at all.

 

[BEaston]

Yeah, nah.

 

[CakeEater]

Coles have backflipped and will now charge........

More backflips then a Nigerian soccer player who scores a goal.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Aldi has always charged for plastic bags and they have grown market share each and every year in Australia

 

[Big_Luch]

Aldi has always charged for plastic bags and they have grown market share each and every year in Australia

They win on price and quality. Nobody is going to ALDI for the shopping experience, no frills experience which includes paying for bags.


It's rather embarrassing as a society that taking away some plastic bags causes such a stir.

Personally I used the bags twice at a minimum and would prefer more education into not being a piece of poo litter bug.

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[Kram]

Ah who could forget Mark 'loose cannon' Latham.

 

[theyellowsash]

i dont know whats more pathetic. that people seem to be completely unable/unwilling to use a reusable bag, or that coles has submitted to those same inbred morons. Probably coles, since they have backfipped yet again. then again i dont think much of human society so it doesnt surprise me that people are too stupid to be able to deal without free plastic bags to carry their 2 bottles of milk to the car.

 

[theyellowsash]

So basically your saying just let Coles charge for the same thing they've being giving away for free. With no benefit to the environment either way.

Great.

you know what, i actually dont care if coles exploits idiots who will pay for plastic bags to make money. they dont care enough about the environment to make the minimal effort it takes to use a reusable bag, so i dont care if coles milks them for all they are worth.

 

[its free real estate]

Yeah, nah.

Strange that you think your singular anecdote trumps any others, even that of the minister that introduced the legislation.

 

[pugsville]

Costs I would assume, do we want to push up peoples costs of living further or kill of more small businesses ?

because the costs of the 'free' plastic bag is borne by society.

You often talk about individuals taking responsibility but some how you just never apply it.

 

[pugsville]

Your working on the logic that overall market share does not drop. I know myself that I make a decision without much thought to buy less because I don't have a bag and don't want to purchase the shopping bag.

Why do object so strongly to the concept of user pays when it's applied to you. Why should teh rest of us pay for your wastefulness? How about you know some personal responsibility?

 

[pugsville]

Can someone explain how South Australia manages to survive without plastic bags, yet it's apparently too had for the rest of the country to deal with

Try going to Germany where it's been done properly like 20 years ago. The great frustration I have with this debate is it's juts know technology. I wnet to germany 20 years ago and it just works. Cloth bags. You either bring them or bay them at the store. Bt quality bags are much more reusable and valuebale for other tasks than cheapo nasty plastic bags which so often fail (as well as the incredible long term damage they are doing to the environment)

Tehre shoudl abe a complete and utter ban opf plastic bags. They are just dumb.

 

[pugsville]

I go scuba diving all the time in summer, I have a passion for marine life and I am also the furthest thing from someone who doesn't care about animals.

However this is not a save the environment policy, this is a increase our profit policy because instead of handing out something for free they are now charging money for it. The problem I suspect they will have is that sales will go down, think about why they handed out free bags to begin with ? so people would buy as much goods as possible, by not handing out free bags they are also offering a deterrent to purchase less goods.

I know myself I have been spending less money to avoid paying for a bag.

Why should those who don't want plastic bags subside those who do? How about you know individual responsibility.

 

[AM]

Apparently the concept of taking your own bag or bags to the supermarket is too difficult to understand for many Australians.

It’s been in play in S.A for years without any issues. It’ll be accepted here too as the antediluvian voices subside.