Collingwood’s next batch of youngsters

[Markfs]

He would need far more consistency, effort and application to restore my beleaguered faith in him.
It’s certainly not beyond him, and one can only hope given his natural athleticism.

well he got a couple of kicks and went for a few marks. There was one funny one somewhere in the first quarter i think, where the opposition kicked a long ball and it bounced in the goal square and kelly just fell over....and it went through. There were a couple of other pie players around him but he seemed to change direction because of the bounce and just fell over.

If you want to remind yourself about the Will of 2018.....

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[Mollythedolly]

Interesting that everyone has Chugg so low on their lists and he has been an emergency for the seniors a couple of times now. What’s the go there? I would’ve thought, based on him making the extended lineup a few times, he was closer than mentioned. I did notice the last time, he’d had single digit possessions in the VFL so it raised an eyebrow.

Partly a consequence of limited alternative options, partly recognition of the improvement in his performances since he was moved into the midfield a few games ago. Second half of the season will tell the tale for Chuggy. Many seem to have written him off already but many of those probably didn’t see the potential improvement in his game with a move into the midfield. Who knows what happens at seasons end if he continues to improve.

 

[jonbe54]

He's more G.Ablett Jnr than an inside bull.

Which brings into dispute the circle jerks on inside bulls - not that I don't love them - but it you have a player that can dissect a pack surgically and extract or dispose to advantage that is as good or better.

To reiterate - I love inside bulls - but they aren't the only answer.

 

[PieLebo87]

Which brings into dispute the circle jerks on inside bulls - not that I don't love them - but it you have a player that can dissect a pack surgically and extract or dispose to advantage that is as good or better.

To reiterate - I love inside bulls - but they aren't the only answer.

I agree.

Adams is a prime example where he can be a liability on the outside with both disposal and decision making (not always!) but his inside work is just too valuable.

Pendles is the polar opposite where he can win clearances in a much ‘cleaner’ manner, and hurts opponents on the outside too.

I don’t mind the inside beast, as long as he can also hurt opponents in space too. Maynard is a prime example of one.

 

[gouki88]

Most Likely to Least Likely:

I have it in 3 tiers:

Likely:
#43 Charlie Dean - Born leader, won't leave a stone un-turned to get the best out of himself and his teammates. Only downside/weakness is he is a touch on the slow side.

#36 Harvey Harrison - Pace to burn and a body. Has a willingness to hit the contest hard with regards to stoppage work. Needs a lot of work on his tank and his consistency in his kicking. His best kicks are awesome but he can be a bit hit and miss.

#29 Liam McMahon - Silky skills and moves pretty well. Good height. Unsure whether he will be a Key Fwd or Key Back. Judge him after 2023 or 2024. An issue with his body or his unwillingness to push through injury.


Somewhat likely:
#40 Ash Johnson - All the tools but is a bit older so he needs to be good to go. I think he'll get a chance either toward the end of this season or into 2023.

Unlikely:
#19 Arlo Draper - Way too soft from what I've seen, in the contest and with his body.
#27 Cooper Murley - Too small
#34 Isaac Chugg - Honest as anything but chops it up by foot.

Your criticism of Murley is just silly. He's a skinny 18 year-old who is playing very well in VFL. Zak Butters was a very similar build coming into the competition, Kozzy Pickett is tiny, and so on.

 

[KinderSmock]

He's more G.Ablett Jnr than an inside bull.

That's 2x premierships and Brownlows and the love of the AFL.

Must get Daicos onto a breeding program, too. Four kids minimum, football training starts as soon as they're able to walk, if not before.

 

[KinderSmock]

Most Likely to Least Likely:

I have it in 3 tiers:

Likely:
#43 Charlie Dean - Born leader, won't leave a stone un-turned to get the best out of himself and his teammates. Only downside/weakness is he is a touch on the slow side.

#36 Harvey Harrison - Pace to burn and a body. Has a willingness to hit the contest hard with regards to stoppage work. Needs a lot of work on his tank and his consistency in his kicking. His best kicks are awesome but he can be a bit hit and miss.

#29 Liam McMahon - Silky skills and moves pretty well. Good height. Unsure whether he will be a Key Fwd or Key Back. Judge him after 2023 or 2024. An issue with his body or his unwillingness to push through injury.


Somewhat likely:
#40 Ash Johnson - All the tools but is a bit older so he needs to be good to go. I think he'll get a chance either toward the end of this season or into 2023.

Unlikely:
#19 Arlo Draper - Way too soft from what I've seen, in the contest and with his body.
#27 Cooper Murley - Too small
#34 Isaac Chugg - Honest as anything but chops it up by foot.

Murley is one I have staying for a long time. Same with Arlo Draper. He's a bit soft because of shoulder surgery. That's not an injury you joke about with. Give him another year before judging.

 

[No SPIN]

I would not be too concerned about young Draper at this stage. First year in the system and coming off quite a serious LTI means he was always going to be well behind the pack, hopefully he can pick up in the second half of 2022. While at present he seems best suited to a wing, he was a damaging inside midfielder as a junior, who could win the footy in tight, but was also extremely damaging on the spread with good decision making and clean skills, as well as able to be a threat i50 when required.

He will need to work on his body/strength before making the switch to an inside mid, but he has the skill set imo and last year he was considered by many as the 2nd best prospect coming out of SA (behind Horne-Francis), until injury curtailed his season. While he may be a "slow burn" I think we have a player in Arlo and think we will see a big improvement with a strong pre-season heading into 2023.

I read he had an AC joint injury?
Which I wouldn’t consider an LTI, unlike the shoulder reco Reef is having.

 

[Harry O]

I read he had an AC joint injury?
Which I wouldn’t consider an LTI, unlike the shoulder reco Reef is having.

Correct - the shoulder should not be any sort of excuse- only a relatively minor injury
The kid was brought up by his parents in a very alternative way until he was about 15 - I would think he might take a while to adapt to living away from home in the AFL bubble

 

[No SPIN]

Correct - the shoulder should not be any sort of excuse- only a relatively minor injury
The kid was brought by his parents in a very alternative way until he was about 15 - I would think he might take a while to adapt to living away from home in the AFL bubble

Alternative way?
Until 15?

 

[jc37]

Of those untried Charlie Dean, Carmichael and Johnson may actually find themselves best 22 by years end but they are all mature recuits.
Draper does some classy things but way too little of them, Harrison reminds has done some things that remind me a touch of Tim Watson. I think both have a high ceiling but they are a long way off that and Murley is probably in a similar boat.
I would love to see our VFL make the finals on the back of this years and last years recruits as well as a Tyler Brown

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Tyler Brown

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25

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192cm

Wt

84kg

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Last 5

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11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

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7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

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1.4

2star

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0.6

3star

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11.0

3star

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4.0

2star

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7.0

5star

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1.0

1star

T

1.4

4star

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0.6

3star

ideally getting 30 touches plus as an inside mid.

 

[KinderSmock]

Alternative way?
Until 15?

Steiner schooling. It's indie education with arts and crafts and nature as a focus. Think dancing to the rhythm of the trees and spontaneous yoga. Luna Lovegood would thrive and that's the sort of child it works really well for. Some would say it's too strange but I wouldn't necessarily say it's all bad. It's just an alternative way of thought that's no more extreme than religion.

So what if you hug a tree and feel its life? Other schools do some things which can appear strange to outsiders. Without wanting to degrade any religions, all three of the major Abrahamic beliefs have some interesting practices, stories, symbols and representations that to an outsider would seem strange. If you went to any of the schools, you'd know what I'm talking about. Some believe they're true, others believe they're crazy as.

At 15, his footy was a higher priority but he still valued the school.

I don't think it would affect him moving out - it's not a cult and it's certainly not an impediment to independence. Steiner encourages you to be you and find your place in the world.

 

[legendstatus]

Arlo
Murley
Harrison
Chugg
Carmichael
Kelly
McMahon



Our 3rd wave of players - if we can get 2-3 to blossom we start to build!!!


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[manicpie]

Steiner schooling. It's indie education with arts and crafts and nature as a focus. Think dancing to the rhythm of the trees and spontaneous yoga. Luna Lovegood would thrive and that's the sort of child it works really well for. Some would say it's too strange but I wouldn't necessarily say it's all bad. It's just an alternative way of thought that's no more extreme than religion.

So what if you hug a tree and feel its life? Other schools do some things which can appear strange to outsiders. Without wanting to degrade any religions, all three of the major Abrahamic beliefs have some interesting practices, stories, symbols and representations that to an outsider would seem strange. If you went to any of the schools, you'd know what I'm talking about. Some believe they're true, others believe they're crazy as.

At 15, his footy was a higher priority but he still valued the school.

I don't think it would affect him moving out - it's not a cult and it's certainly not an impediment to independence. Steiner encourages you to be you and find your place in the world.

Is there a ritual of picking and eating mushrooms?

 

[Harry O]

Steiner schooling. It's indie education with arts and crafts and nature as a focus. Think dancing to the rhythm of the trees and spontaneous yoga. Luna Lovegood would thrive and that's the sort of child it works really well for. Some would say it's too strange but I wouldn't necessarily say it's all bad. It's just an alternative way of thought that's no more extreme than religion.

So what if you hug a tree and feel its life? Other schools do some things which can appear strange to outsiders. Without wanting to degrade any religions, all three of the major Abrahamic beliefs have some interesting practices, stories, symbols and representations that to an outsider would seem strange. If you went to any of the schools, you'd know what I'm talking about. Some believe they're true, others believe they're crazy as.

At 15, his footy was a higher priority but he still valued the school.

I don't think it would affect him moving out - it's not a cult and it's certainly not an impediment to independence. Steiner encourages you to be you and find your place in the world.

It is the exact opposite of the extreme robotic afl existence he is now in though.
Wouldn’t surprise if he struggled to adjust

 

[KinderSmock]

It is the exact opposite of the extreme robotic afl existence he is now in though.
Wouldn’t surprise if he struggled to adjust

He's been at high school for Years 10-12 in a normal school so ... ?

 

[Gaspard]

Our future remains in a fragile state of balance. Our established players are going very well at present, and they are allowing the new ones to come on in a very positive environment. When Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Adams, Mihocek and Howe fade/retire, the pressure on the mid-range players will be immense. Crisp will not be far behind them. For replacements, we have N. Daicos for Pendlebury and Henry for Mihocek. It is likely that Henry, if he stays, will be better than Mihocek. J. Daicos replaces Sidebottom, but nobody is on the list to replace Adams or Howe. We will have to find these players, but another Jeremy Howe

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Jeremy Howe

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35

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

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Career

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17.0

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

21.5

5star

K

16.5

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

6.5

5star

T

2.0

3star

MG

433.3

5star

D

15.2

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

won't appear, we will have to cover him with a lesser player or players.

We have a lot of hardly seen players who may or may not be future solid contributors. We are really banking on a more than normal hit rate from these to improve. The mid age additions in Krueger, Lipinski, Johnson and Dean all look promising, but are unlikely to be stars, and we will have done very well if they are all regular senior players. I have no idea about Carmichael.

Of the young ones, nobody has yet pushed to the front. The Browns have been given enough time. Bianco will have to show a lot more, although he may still have it in him. Ginnivan and McCreery have it, Begg might, but none of the others have shown a lot beyond the bit of promise, not since realized, from MacCrae, Kelly and Poulter. McInnes seems likely, but it is early days with him too.

Overall, we really need unexpected improvement from some of the untried players for us to hold the standard we have now. It can happen, Murphy has shown that, but we will need a high hit rate in this area, as well as some very successful recruiting for the team that our next 5 years will be based on to be a challenger.

 

[BuildEmUp]

Is there a ritual of picking and eating mushrooms?

and hydroponics?

 

[sr36]

Our future remains in a fragile state of balance. Our established players are going very well at present, and they are allowing the new ones to come on in a very positive environment. When Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Adams, Mihocek and Howe fade/retire, the pressure on the mid-range players will be immense. Crisp will not be far behind them. For replacements, we have N. Daicos for Pendlebury and Henry for Mihocek. It is likely that Henry, if he stays, will be better than Mihocek. J. Daicos replaces Sidebottom, but nobody is on the list to replace Adams or Howe. We will have to find these players, but another Jeremy Howe won't appear, we will have to cover him with a lesser player or players.

We have a lot of hardly seen players who may or may not be future solid contributors. We are really banking on a more than normal hit rate from these to improve. The mid age additions in Krueger, Lipinski, Johnson and Dean all look promising, but are unlikely to be stars, and we will have done very well if they are all regular senior players. I have no idea about Carmichael.

Of the young ones, nobody has yet pushed to the front. The Browns have been given enough time. Bianco will have to show a lot more, although he may still have it in him. Ginnivan and McCreery have it, Begg might, but none of the others have shown a lot beyond the bit of promise, not since realized, from MacCrae, Kelly and Poulter. McInnes seems likely, but it is early days with him too.

Overall, we really need unexpected improvement from some of the untried players for us to hold the standard we have now. It can happen, Murphy has shown that, but we will need a high hit rate in this area, as well as some very successful recruiting for the team that our next 5 years will be based on to be a challenger.

I thought the same at the start of the year, but the age group where there was a big gap has developed really well. IQ and J Daicos have continued to develop, Noble has shown strong improvement. Murphy has come from nowhere. and Lipinski has been a really impressive acquistion. Need a couple of Kreuger, Johnson, Brown and Carmichael to come through and add another one or two over the next couple of years and therre won't be an age gap at all. Then add in great starts to the youngsters in N Daicos, Ginnivan, McCreery and Henry and we're looking OK. Still need things to continue to go right to stop a fall, but it's looking much better than the start of the year.

 

[domus]

I am needing some diehards to help with this. Those that have watched our trainings and are regular observers of our VFL team.

Could you somehow give a brief description of the type of players the below guys are, and either rank them from most likely to succeed at AFL to least likely? Alternatively, you could simply rate their likelihood to be a success at AFL level out of 10.

#19 Arlo Draper
#27 Cooper Murley
#29 Liam McMahon
#34 Isaac Chugg
#36 Harvey Harrison
#40 Ash Johnson
#43 Charlie Dean

And let’s add Josh Carmichael in for good measure!

We’ve pretty much got our best 22 in at the moment (minus Grundy and Elliott) and have seen what the debutants can do, so curious to know about the next batch after and who might be closest.

I'd add Krueger to that list.

 

[domus]

Good list, FWIW, here is mine, a little different

agree Dean is #1, not overly athletic or exciting but I’m confident he will be a solid 2nd tall KPD

#2 Johnson he Isn’t going to top the 1%er stats but a jumping jack markologist with enormous upside

#3 Murley - see RS comments

#4 Harrison - a mini poor man’s Dangerfield, only flashing in and out of play at the moment, but quick powerful and I love the way he can burst at pace out of a pack. And he loves a goal. Not as polished as Murley but I think his disposal is ok. A future small forward, high half forward..

#5 McMahon - I’m a lot less bullish than RS, I agree, nice athleticism and skills but I am highly suspicious of talls who don’t win 1 on 1 contests or play tall. Maybe it will come when he puts on some size, cause he is still very skinny, but unless he starts playing with a bit of aggression and starts clunking some marks, I’m not that hopeful.

#6 Draper there are glimpses of a composed and classy footballer there, but he is struggling to find the footy at the moment

#7 Chugg - I’ve seen 2 good games so maybe there’s a glimmer of hope, but also a dozen mediocre ones. I just don’t see any AFL weapons, frankly looks like one of the VFL boys in terms of skill and athleticism..

Why have they listed him as an emergency two weeks in a row? What role would he play in the seniors?

 

[domus]

I thought the same at the start of the year, but the age group where there was a big gap has developed really well. IQ and J Daicos have continued to develop, Noble has shown strong improvement. Murphy has come from nowhere. and Lipinski has been a really impressive acquistion. Need a couple of Kreuger, Johnson, Brown and Carmichael to come through and add another one or two over the next couple of years and therre won't be an age gap at all. Then add in great starts to the youngsters in N Daicos, Ginnivan, McCreery and Henry and we're looking OK. Still need things to continue to go right to stop a fall, but it's looking much better than the start of the year.

I'm very pleased to be sitting where we are. I think the future is looking far rosier than I thought it might. That's more than enough youth coming through to suggest a couple more good trades and draft acquisitions could see us competing for the top eight on a regular basis. A forward line with Mihocek, Krueger, McStay ( if the rumours are true), Elliott, Henry and Ginnivan would be a difficult match up for any opposition.

 

[Aussie pie]

Add McStay and possibly Bobby Hill to the forward line and you never know. Bobby would be a speculative pick up because of health issues but he wants to come to us and seeing how Docerty has come back this year he’d be a good pick up. Definitely fits in age wise into the young group.

 

[legendstatus]

Add McStay and possibly Bobby Hill to the forward line and you never know. Bobby would be a speculative pick up because of health issues but he wants to come to us and seeing how Docerty has come back this year he’d be a good pick up. Definitely fits in age wise into the young group.

I’d be ok with that maybe Logue instead of McStay or all 3


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[MyManLynch]

Add McStay and possibly Bobby Hill to the forward line and you never know. Bobby would be a speculative pick up because of health issues but he wants to come to us and seeing how Docerty has come back this year he’d be a good pick up. Definitely fits in age wise into the young group.

What’s the news on Bobby Hill?
How do you know he wants to come to Collingwood?
Just curious.