Game Day Collingwood (2010) v Collingwood (2016)

[35Daicos]

Agree with all but Didak is 10 times better than Elliott. Elliott is not in the same league as Alan Didak. I hope you made a mistake there.

It's taken a few years TG, but you and I seem to have finally agreed on something! Good to see!

 

[THATSGOLD]

It's taken a few years TG, but you and I seem to have finally agreed on something! Good to see!

On Didak he took a while to reach his best but by 2007 he was the best player on our list. By 2010 he was still top 3-4.

 

[Prestige Presti]

This will be a great thread to revisit at the end of the year.

Comparing a team currently in preseason to a premiership winning team is kind of unfair, and I would wager at the beginning of 2010 not many people would have predicted how much that team would develope and change over the course of the year.

So for the sake of this thread, preseason Collingwood 2015-2016 would potentially beat preseason Collingwood 2009-2010, as we had a few blokes reaching the end of their careers (Medhurst, Tarks, O'Bree) and perhaps be overwhelmed by an invigorated young side, as we almost were when we were almost beaten by Melbourne.
However, Collingwood premiership 2010 side vs round 23+ Collingwood 2016 will be a sight to behold, I expect a lot of young guys to develope over this season as they did in 2010.
We were the second best team at boundary stoppages in 2015 and that would have caused trouble for the 2010 squad, as they loved playing the boundary, 2015 would also compete well in pressure acts, tackling and contested possessions, making for a very even contest.

If literally, these two teams played each other, the key match ups would be great to watch, Toovey would go head to head with Elliot, matching him for pace and athletisism. Williams is the superior small defender than we had in 2010 and could potentially smother Didak.
Crisp and Thomas the exciting, pacey young mids, Treloar and Ball both new and exciting editions, one a veteran, one an upcoming gun.
Pendles 2016 would be too strong for Pendles 2010 as would Sidebottom 2016 for 2010 self.
Swan 2016 might get free in the forwardline more often, whilst 2010 would be a hand full in the midfield, De Goey vs Beams for obvious reasons would be fun to watch.
Overall the 2016 midfield is more defensive minded. If Reid could get back to his best this season, Brown and Reid 2016 would blanket Cloke and Dawes 2010, Brown being a great gorilla defender, and Reid too experienced for Dawes, although both those blokes didn't score too many goals in 2010 anyway.

And with a hint of bias, the 2010 squad should feature Presti, as he was the number 1 key defender for the whole year barring the finals and a few other games.

To answer the question purely as intended, if those 2 sides above were to play each other 10 times in a row, based entirely on what we understand at the end of 2015, Collingwood 2016 would win between 2-3 games, and 2010 Collingwood 7-8 games, purely based on experience and consistency, but not talent.

As mentioned, someone bump this thread come the end of the year, will be very interesting.

 

[Gone Critical]

This will be a great thread to revisit at the end of the year.

Comparing a team currently in preseason to a premiership winning team is kind of unfair, and I would wager at the beginning of 2010 not many people would have predicted how much that team would develope and change over the course of the year.

So for the sake of this thread, preseason Collingwood 2015-2016 would potentially beat preseason Collingwood 2009-2010, as we had a few blokes reaching the end of their careers (Medhurst, Tarks, O'Bree) and perhaps be overwhelmed by an invigorated young side, as we almost were when we were almost beaten by Melbourne.
However, Collingwood premiership 2010 side vs round 23+ Collingwood 2016 will be a sight to behold, I expect a lot of young guys to develope over this season as they did in 2010.
We were the second best team at boundary stoppages in 2015 and that would have caused trouble for the 2010 squad, as they loved playing the boundary, 2015 would also compete well in pressure acts, tackling and contested possessions, making for a very even contest.

Key match ups would be great to watch, Toovey would go head to head with Elliot, matching him for pace and athletisism. Williams is the superior small defender than we had in 2010 and could potentially smother Didak.
Crisp and Thomas the exciting, pacey young mids, Treloar and Ball both new and exciting editions, one a veteran, one an upcoming gun.
Pendles 2016 would be too strong for Pendles 2010 as would Sidebottom 2016 for 2010 self.
Swan 2016 might get free in the forwardline more often, whilst 2010 would be a hand full in the midfield, De Goey vs Beams for obvious reasons would be fun to watch.
Overall the 2016 midfield is more defensive minded. If Reid could get back to his best this season, Brown and Reid 2016 would blanket Cloke and Dawes 2010, Brown being a great gorilla defender, and Reid too experienced for Dawes, although both those blokes didn't score too many goals in 2010 anyway.

And with a hint of bias, the 2010 squad should feature Presti, as he was the number 1 key defender for the whole year barring the finals and a few other games.

To answer the question purely as intended, if those 2 sides above were to play each other 10 times in a row, based entirely on what we understand at the end of 2015, Collingwood 2016 would win between 2-3 games, and 2010 Collingwood 7-8 games, purely based on experience and consistency, but not talent.

As mentioned, someone bump this thread come the end of the year, will be very interesting.

I like your reply but I do believe it still devalues the 2010 team. Yes we came on well in 2010 from 2009 but Ithink that was predictable to a fair degree. The scribes and experts got us wrong leading into 2010 but the club internally was very confident. I remember MMs Copeland speech very well that year. I went home with a great feeling, he gave a real message about a flag being in the offing.

That being said, even if you didn't enter 2010 with that same confidence, the 2010 team was coming off a much higher base. We had played in 4 finals series in a row and had top 4 finishes in 2 of the previous 3 seasons. The 2016 doesn't have anywhere near that pedigree.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

This will sound funny but 2016 would win.

The 2016 side actually has more true class in it and would play a more current game plan vs an older game plan that has already been picked apart years ago.

There's also more accuracy in front of goal in the 2016 side. Also, drop Toovey from the 2016 side please, that's insulting having him there. Then the 2016 definitely wins when Toovey hands them 3 or 4 bonus goals.

 

[Gone Critical]

This will sound funny but 2016 would win.

The 2016 side actually has more true class in it and would play a more current game plan vs an older game plan that has already been picked apart years ago.

There's also more accuracy in front of goal in the 2016 side. Also, drop Toovey from the 2016 side please, that's insulting having him there. Then the 2016 definitely wins when Toovey hands them 3 or 4 bonus goals.

Really poor form to have such a vitriolic dislike of a Collingwood premiership player.

What's your definition of true class? I am always wary of the gunna. Deeds speak stronger than promise. I think you may be painting best case scenarios for the 2016 team whereas the 2010 team just have to be judged on the merits they actually possessed. Still worry too many posters seem to want to write down the 2010 team and its achievements when there is a very good argument that this was the best team Collingwood has had since the 1930s. Teams like what we had in 2010 are very hard to come by.

 

[SideysBottom]

2010 would win very well. The side was easily the best team in the competition, apart from a draw against St Kilda in the GF, it never looked like they were going to lose to anyone.

The 2010 Collingwood reserves would go close to beating 2016 Collingwood. We forget Simon Prestigiacomo, Leon Davis, Shane O'Bree, Tarkyn Lockyer, Paul Medhurst and Josh Fraser missed out on a premiership. Any of them could have come in and we still would have won.

 

[mike123]

Nick Maxwell (Tom Langdon)
Leigh Brown
Heath Shaw (Marley Williams)
Alan Didak
Dale Thomas (James Aish)
Danye Beams (Jordan De Goey)
Darren Jolly (Brodie Grundy)
Luke Ball (Tayloar Adams)
Dane Swan ( Adam Treloar)

 

[BEEG]

2010 would win by 60+

 

[jackcass]

I think that side as they were would be down the bottom of the ladder in today's landscape. The amount of changes in the game in the 5 years make me believe that the current side would win quite easily.

I agree, current side would run right over the 2010 side due to improved fitness. Match up those intangibles and you'd have to lean toward the 2010 side based purely on experience.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The best question is whether you or popin is the best bloke.
Tough call.

(I'm going popin because of his Lebowski references)

 

[swiftdog]

Wow, you've put a huge amount of work into that. I actually agree with almost all of your assessments, but you are saying that Didak (2010) is inferior to Jamie Elliott. I think Jamie can end up a fantastic player but I just can't agree with this one.

Agree with all but Didak is 10 times better than Elliott. Elliott is not in the same league as Alan Didak. I hope you made a mistake there.

Yeah this is my mistake and you've basically answered my question below. I've got my Didak timeline mixed up, for some reason I was thinking that he was in the twilight of his career in 2010.

On Didak he took a while to reach his best but by 2007 he was the best player on our list. By 2010 he was still top 3-4.

 

[Krueger]

2016

But yeah, nice. Put the current squad up against a premiership team.

Be it the barometer or the litmus test, as soon as the usual suspects Jump onboard we know the real answer.

And the real answer is thus-

Suck my Goldsack you anti-Buckley campaigners. Once we win a flag I'll let each and every one of you know about it. How? Not by PM on this site, but by having your dad blow me

You should go see your Dr. ASAP.......

 

[Pie eyed]

2010 8 to 10 goals


(The jumpers would confuse me)

Wear the clash>>>>

 

[HappyRed]

2010 wins no question.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Wear the clash>>>>

What if they both wear the clash?

Skins v jumpers is the only answer.

 

[Gambit78]

Just as a curiosity jmac70, unlimited interchanges or restricted (with a sub even)?

 

[jmac70]

Just as a curiosity jmac70, unlimited interchanges or restricted (with a sub even)?

Good question. I think it would be best to go with the 2016 rule. No sub and capped interchange.

 

[Jasper84]

Good question. I think it would be best to go with the 2016 rule. No sub and capped interchange.

So, once again, why is Leon in the side and not Goldsack?

 

[jmac70]

You should go see your Dr. ASAP.......

I think the 2010 side would win fairly comfortably, say 4-5 goals. It was a side at the top of its game. I do think the 2016 has the talent to match the 2010 eventually, a bit more experience is needed and perhaps another A grade talent next year.

 

[jmac70]

So, once again, why is Leon in the side and not Goldsack?

I think Leon is the better player and was unlucky to be dropped for the GF replay.

 

[the mighty T]

The 2010 team by the end of the year was such a well drilled, team oriented outfit that they were streets ahead of the competition. Their pressure alone would push our turnover heavy 2015/16 team to absolutely butcher the ball. Plus, given our issues in completing offensive moves at present and the tendency to bomb the ball inside 50, the 2016 version would find it incredibly difficult to score against one of the better defensive units in the last decade.

I'd have to back the 2010 model in by a fair stretch.

 

[Robroy22]

2010 would beat most sides by 10 goals....so lets get this get this current side to their level and sit back and watch them demolish sides as well!

 

[jakson68]

I think Pendles, Swan, Cloke, Sidey, Tooves and Brown would get tired playing on both teams.
If we were to clone them for the game, we would have the two Swans standing there comparing tatts, the Pendles boys discussing hair fashion changes, the Toovey lads both adamant that the others eyes are bigger, the Clokes taking the piss out of the others poor kicking and the Sideys just smiling at each other.

Either way none of these players would have any impact on the game.
FWIW, 2010 side by a far way.