Who cares about an even competition, I just want the Pies to win every yearNah. They're fun and the draft works. We have one of the most even competitions in the world.
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Who cares about an even competition, I just want the Pies to win every yearNah. They're fun and the draft works. We have one of the most even competitions in the world.
There’ll be a few reasons ...
(1) It’s a significant battlefront in the war between the sporting codes. It’s inevitable that Indigenous culture will become a much stronger part of Australian national identity. Conquering societies start by subjugating the indigenous population but then they eventually embrace it and absorb it as part of a unified identity. By the AFL investing heavily in indigenous development programs, they’re hitching a ride on the back of indigenous reconciliation in a push to make the AFL Australia’s national sport.
(3) Eventhough indigenous folks have greater representation in AFL than they do in greater society (If AFL followed society there’d be around 17 players competition-wide who would identify as indigenous, and there’d be a lot more than that) it’d be generally accepted that indigenous communities wouldn’t enjoy the same opportunities to become elite AFL footballers as non-indigenous communities do. If the AFL wants to have the very best players and athletes then it makes sense to invest in indigenous communities to ensure that those with the most talent are given the opportunity to realise their potential.
1) Can you give examples of this? Because the nearest country similar to ours suggests otherwise. America. The natives pretty much live in their own identity bubble with reservations with native laws on said land with their identity of native American and symbols separate from the national identity of USA, US flag and Symbol.
Australia is very much following a similar path with indigenous push for treaty and separation of law, land, monetary reparations and government control.
I agree there will be more cultural acceptance and celebration but not so much a change of identity.
3. You really need to qualify the below statement :
"it’d be generally accepted that indigenous communities wouldn’t enjoy the same opportunities to become elite AFL footballers as non-indigenous communities do."
It depends on which communities. Remote communities is where your statement is correct.
Rural or Suburban communities enjoy all the same opportunities non indigenous do.
I'd like to see Collingwood win every year as well, but I love the fact the competition is now probably more even and unpredictable than it's ever been. It's in phenomenal shape thanks to the "system", and every club now has a real chance at being successful on-field and surviving/thriving off-field.Who cares about an even competition, I just want the Pies to win every year
Then why do you want a completely uncompromised draft. You should be requesting no draft.Who cares about an even competition, I just want the Pies to win every year
Yeah just mucking around, but one thing i will say is that those 3 clubs were notorius for under the table cash payments to players which is something that wouldn't happen today, I thinkI'd like to see Collingwood win every year as well, but I love the fact the competition is now probably more even and unpredictable than it's ever been. It's in phenomenal shape thanks to the "system", and every club now has a real chance at being successful on-field and surviving/thriving off-field.
Go back to the mid-80's and see how things were before the draft and salary cap came in and turned things around. It was an awful competition, just like in big-time soccer it was dominated by a few rich powerful clubs (Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn) who snapped up the best players and won all the flags. The rest of the clubs couldn't keep up on-field, and many of them (including Collingwood) struggled to survive off-field. It's a better competition now.
Unfortunately we got "dudded" when country zoning came in back at the end of 1967 (I think it was). Hawthorn was the opposite, transformed from battler to powerhouse within a few years! We weren't winning much at all by the mid-80's!Yeah just mucking around, but one thing i will say is that those 3 clubs were notorius for under the table cash payments to players which is something that wouldn't happen today, I think
The Hawks struck gold with their zone.Unfortunately we got "dudded" when country zoning came in back at the end of 1967 (I think it was). Hawthorn was the opposite, transformed from battler to powerhouse within a few years! We weren't winning much at all by the mid-80's!
I do like today's system, even though it's not perfect, and think the idea of "partial zones" with the Academies adds something to the game.
1) Can you give examples of this?
3. You really need to qualify the below statement :
"it’d be generally accepted that indigenous communities wouldn’t enjoy the same opportunities to become elite AFL footballers as non-indigenous communities do."
It depends on which communities. Remote communities is where your statement is correct.
Rural or Suburban communities enjoy all the same opportunities non indigenous do.
New Zealand
Romano Brits
Angles
Saxons
Normans
Peru
That can be a very touchy subject (see subject of reparations) but yeah, agree that remote communities are more disadvantaged.
Systemic poverty is what you are alluding to?
Maybe you should open up the fact it is a not only an indigenous issue and all races in Australia have subsections of poor people stuck in cycles of poverty and abuse.
This isn't an indigenous only issue other non indigenous from similar backgrounds have the same issues to overcome but not anywhere near the support offered or funding.
Ps New Zealand were never fully conquered. They came to mutual cease fire after both sides suffered losses over multiple wars. Colonial forces pushed them back but never dominated them.
No. I was alluding to there being indigenous elders who would claim that their inner city communities remain disadvantaged compared to their non-indigenous neighbours.
I’m not advocating a position one way or the other. My comments were just offering an explanation for the AFL’s behaviour.
Every society has their own unique circumstances ...
... but what is common is the quest for identity. Who are we as a people? New Zealander’s following of the Hakka / Knowledge of Maori language / wearing of Maori jewellery has a lot more to do with the quest for identity rather than the particular circumstances of their foundation.
3. You really need to qualify the below statement :
"it’d be generally accepted that indigenous communities wouldn’t enjoy the same opportunities to become elite AFL footballers as non-indigenous communities do."
It depends on which communities. Remote communities is where your statement is correct.
Rural or Suburban communities enjoy all the same opportunities non indigenous do.
I daresay the high percentage of APS players drafted suggests that financial advantages also play a part.
I know, but playing for APS is probably really good for their development. I know Cyril did, but how many other indigenous kids have received these scholarships?They play for APS because they got sporting scholarships, not because their families are alwsys rich.
Big private schools love getting In future sporting stars, they hark about it for the next 30 years.
I know, but playing for APS is probably really good for their development. I know Cyril did, but how many other indigenous kids have received these scholarships?
I daresay the high percentage of APS players drafted suggests that financial advantages also play a part.
Well. I stand corrected. I had no idea. That's great.Oh you mean like this
2017, Scotch College had 38 Indigenous students from all over Western Australia with 22 being part of the AIEF programme. With the increase of students in 2017, our support team is of great importance to ensure the success of each boy. At Scotch College we ensure that our Tutoring and Mentoring Programmes meet all Indigenous students’ needs. All boys meet weekly as a group, as well as individually fortnightly with the support team. Senior boys also have individual tutoring once and week and all boys have small group tutoring during prep in the evenings twice a week. Students also have access to the extra tutoring through the Academic Support Team at the school.
http://www.aief.com.au/scholarships/school/detail.php?id=1122r
Or this one,
The Rio Tinto Flying Boomerangs is a football development and leadership program. The participants are the best rising Indigenous talent in the nation and are given the opportunity to represent their country. Twenty-five of the most talented Indigenous players are selected from the Kickstart Championships to participate in two residential camps. The participants are exposed to elite training environments and standards to assist their transition into the mainstream talent pathway. A core component of the program is to also strengthen their cultural identity.
The Flying Boomerangs | Community.afl
The Rio Tinto Flying Boomerangs is a football development and leadership program. The participants are the best rising Indigenous talent in the nation and are given the opportunity to represent their country. Twenty-five of the most talented Indigenous players are selected from State run...community.afl
I know, but playing for APS is probably really good for their development. I know Cyril did, but how many other indigenous kids have received these scholarships?
The Pies have one for next year in Reef McInnes. Had 28d, 9t on the weekend to make Oakleigh's bests. And his prior two matches has been Oakleigh's best.
A promising 191cm mid who can also play forward.
Pretty sure Bailey Wraith qualifies again this year as an NGA prospect but I have been told the club hit him right between the eyes in saying they didn't see much room for growth in his development.
I know a bloke named Thariel Ter is in our NGA and is eligible this year I think but haven't heard amazing things.
Remains to be seen whether the current form of the NGA will be around by the time Youseph Dib is eligible.
What Number is Reef?
As I say the Game be on Youtube