Knightmare
Brownlow Medallist
- Sep 22, 2010
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- AFL Club
- Collingwood
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Collingwood Almanac 2016:
Player value rankings:
--Untouchable--
1. Brodie Grundy: A best five ruckman in the competition today and the best ruckman in the game under the age of 24.
2. Darcy Moore: Still a developing key forward, but a rapidly improving player and has the mix of attributes to become a best five key forward in the game if he can stay relatively healthy throughout his career.
3. Adam Treloar: Treloar is a best 20 midfielder in the game and has the ability to push up towards the top 10 midfielders in the game in time. With Swan retired Treloar is the clear second best midfielder on the list today.
4. Scott Pendlebury: Still the best and most valuable player on the clubs list. Remains a clear best five midfielder in the game.
5. Jordan De Goey: De Goey has the scope post-Pendlebury to become the clubs best midfielder. He just needs more minutes through the midfield. Expect a breakout 2017 season if he gets the midfield minutes and improves his weekly preparation for games.
6. Steele Sidebottom: After Pendlebury and Treloar, Sidebottom is the clubs next best midfielder. He is made even more valuable due to his durability and ability to perform in big games.
7. Taylor Adams: Continuing to step up as a midfielder and perform through the midfield and as required down back. Can be the clubs next captain post-Pendlebury.
8. Ben Reid: Still clearly the clubs best key defender and one of the better key defenders in the competition with durability the only question.
9. Travis Cloke: Unimpressive and seemingly uninspired these past few seasons. Cloke’s internal value should remain high given he has been consistently durable. His father’s longevity (playing 22 games in his final year as a 36-year-old) may be an insight into how long Travis can last if his mental drive remains. His leadership value is also significant to a young Moore and a developing Mason Cox with Cloke as good as any to learn the craft of contested marking and key forward play from. In saying all this, Cloke’s hands are not what they used to be, no longer able to squeeze the air out of the ball when taking a grab. Given this a revised expectation of Cloke to something along the lines of 220 disposals, 110 marks (30 contested marks) and 30 goals per season is necessary and a more realistic, maintainable expectation for Cloke over coming seasons. With these projected, realistic numbers, I would not trade Cloke with Collingwood lacking after Moore a second quality key forward. Cloke at CHF achieving these numbers would be more than adequate and better than any other alternative on the clubs list over the medium term.
10. Jamie Elliott: A best 20 general forward in the competition. Just needs to get his body back to full health in 2017.
11. Marley Williams: Has struggled this year with injuries but can rebound and get back to his best in 2017. Has such a rare power over the ball at ground level that suggests that he can achieve success back, forward or through the midfield depending on where we want to utilise him.
12. Jeremy Howe: High flyer who has proven an excellent get for Collingwood. Has been very effective as an intercept marking back flanker in a backline filled with few others who can intercept. In the air Howe reads it early, going after marks like a forward which is what makes him so effective in his role down back. Someone to keep down back, though able as required to push forward or up onto a wing as required.
13. Travis Varcoe: A major difference maker with his work rate and chasing and pressuring ability often game changing.
14. Alex Fasolo: More mature, playing productive footy up forward again and hitting the scoreboard in a big way.
15. Dane Swan: Was still one of club’s best midfielders and given his ability at stoppages and his still effortless ability to find the footy and kick goals through the midfield he retires as still one of the club’s better players.
--Required players--
16. Tom Langdon: Among the more productive general backmen and other than Howe is the clubs other proven intercepting backman. Another who with injury has seen his season end prematurely but can next season get back to being an effective interceptor down back. He just needs to improve his work by foot off half back to become an untouchable.
17. Mason Cox: Improving rapidly and is already a capable tap ruckman and a threat inside the forward 50m with the quality of his bodywork, hands overhead and cleanness below his knees. Will only get better.
18. Jarrod Witts: Improving tap ruckman who needs to rediscover hard edge, improve his followup work and continue to improve forward of centre. Tap work has improved and finished the season strongly. Ideal depth ruckman with best 22 ability.
19. Nathan Brown: Most reliable key defender on the list and can be counted on to negate the influence of the oppositions most damaging forward each week.
20. Matthew Scharenberg: Injuries have been the issue with Scharenberg but if he gets his body right he can be a long term best 22 component down back given how effective he was in his small taste at the end of 2015.
21. Brayden Maynard: Physical backman who has a crack and has made strong process over the course of the season at AFL level. Will need to continue working on consistency of disposal by foot.
22. Jack Crisp: Improvement in 2016 has halted but has all the attributes to continue his improvement to become a more prominent midfielder and more effective elsewhere around the ground.
23. Tim Broomhead: The clubs best kick into the forward 50m from a forward flank. Has the scope given his combination of attributes to continue improving and establish himself long term as a best 22 player. Needs to stay healthy.
24. Jackson Ramsay: Capable shutdown backman who has improved consistency by foot. Needs a clean injury run.
25. Jonathon Marsh: Can run and take intercept marks with play starting to translate to AFL standard play. Needs to continue working to clean up footskills.
26. Jack Frost: Able to shut down his opponents and go third man up for the spoil but needs to start taking some intercept marks and add some rebounding element to his game to be best 22.
27. James Aish: A wildcard who could go either way and still requires a clear best position. Start to the season was poor but late in the season has shown improvement with his work overhead particularly promising.
28. Tom Phillips: Showing signs at AFL level and will get better with the more games he gets in the 1s.
29. Ben Crocker: Medium marking forward who didn’t look out of his depth during taste at AFL level. His challenge will be the depth of similar marking forwards ahead of him.
30. Rupert Wills: Has shown promise late season at AFL level with his tackling and contested ball winning good. Will need to take stoppage work and contested ball winning from good to dominant and become more consistent by foot to be a best 22 player but has the scope to get there.
--Available for the right price--
31. Levi Greenwood: Strong bodied midfielder who wins the contested ball and has the ability to go head to head with the oppositions better midfielders. He also showed some signs forward of centre and a willingness to fly for marks. Footskills remain an issue along with a glut of too many similar midfielders.
32. Jarryd Blair: Can tackle, pressure, win the ground ball but scoreboard impact not enough for a forward and doesn’t find enough footy to play as a regular midfielder. Only serviceable and mostly used because the club lack a high quality crumbing small forward who can bring the pressure inside the forward 50m.
33. Josh Smith: A real trier with great work rate who can find the footy on the outside but lacking the hurt factor for an outside player to be a best 22 player.
34. Ben Sinclair: Can provide some run from defence and competes well, footskills less inconsistent than they once were. Serviceable over the second half of the season. Needs to stay healthy.
--Available for as little as a small pick upgrade--
35. Adam Oxley: Has shown late season promise in the front half in the VFL. Has the footskills to be useful forward, back or on a wing but is depth rather than best 22.
36. Tyson Goldsack: Can play a role and is a great pressure player but is not a rebounder or strong enough in the 1v1 contests.
37. Brayden Sier: A long way off being a best 22 player at this stage with his production not nearly up to AFL standard at this point or even VFL standard at the current time. Has to be valued because of his height and size. Reports suggest he’ll put in the work so there is something to work with, but he’ll need to improve rapidly to remain with the club beyond season 2017.
38. Alan Toovey: Servicable stopper who can still limit the influence of opponents and hold his own in the 1v1 contests but has lost a step of speed and is no threat to rebound.
39. Jesse White: Has been again only serviceable up forward and it’s a concern he has been required to play up forward again this season at AFL level. I liked the look of White down back over the early portion of the season and feel that is his better position, with his production and rebound from defence encouraging at VFL level. Would like to see White tried again down back in 2017 assuming retained.
40. Corey Gault: Hit the scoreboard in bunches during the preseason but form has not continued into the season proper. Depth only player.
41. Lachlan Keeffe: With what will be two years out of the game Keeffe is a wildcard. He has incredible height for a key defender, can take some intercept marks and by foot is also capable but conditioning and strength with the time out of the game are question marks.
42. Josh Thomas: With two years out of the game it is unclear what kind of condition Thomas comes back in. Lacked the endurance and footskills when he last played so with two years out of the game it is difficult to see how any of that has changed.
43. Matthew Goodyear: Has above average pace and is while still inconsistent starting to find more of the footy at VFL level. Lacks composure and execution by foot.
44. Brent Macaffer: Puts in the work on the track but can’t win enough of the ball or provide enough scoreboard impact to be worth giving games to at AFL level. His value is his work ethic, leadership and example on the training track. Would be great to have playing for the VFL side or potentially as a development coach if he has that ambition.
45. Tim Golds: Allergic to winning the contested footy and not damaging enough for someone so outside. You can’t carry guys on a team list at his age who aren’t winning enough of the footy and having no meaningful impact per possession.
46. Darrean Wyatt: Showed some glimpses of promise early season in the VFL but remains a long way away and a development project. Given age is too far back.
Player value rankings:
--Untouchable--
1. Brodie Grundy: A best five ruckman in the competition today and the best ruckman in the game under the age of 24.
2. Darcy Moore: Still a developing key forward, but a rapidly improving player and has the mix of attributes to become a best five key forward in the game if he can stay relatively healthy throughout his career.
3. Adam Treloar: Treloar is a best 20 midfielder in the game and has the ability to push up towards the top 10 midfielders in the game in time. With Swan retired Treloar is the clear second best midfielder on the list today.
4. Scott Pendlebury: Still the best and most valuable player on the clubs list. Remains a clear best five midfielder in the game.
5. Jordan De Goey: De Goey has the scope post-Pendlebury to become the clubs best midfielder. He just needs more minutes through the midfield. Expect a breakout 2017 season if he gets the midfield minutes and improves his weekly preparation for games.
6. Steele Sidebottom: After Pendlebury and Treloar, Sidebottom is the clubs next best midfielder. He is made even more valuable due to his durability and ability to perform in big games.
7. Taylor Adams: Continuing to step up as a midfielder and perform through the midfield and as required down back. Can be the clubs next captain post-Pendlebury.
8. Ben Reid: Still clearly the clubs best key defender and one of the better key defenders in the competition with durability the only question.
9. Travis Cloke: Unimpressive and seemingly uninspired these past few seasons. Cloke’s internal value should remain high given he has been consistently durable. His father’s longevity (playing 22 games in his final year as a 36-year-old) may be an insight into how long Travis can last if his mental drive remains. His leadership value is also significant to a young Moore and a developing Mason Cox with Cloke as good as any to learn the craft of contested marking and key forward play from. In saying all this, Cloke’s hands are not what they used to be, no longer able to squeeze the air out of the ball when taking a grab. Given this a revised expectation of Cloke to something along the lines of 220 disposals, 110 marks (30 contested marks) and 30 goals per season is necessary and a more realistic, maintainable expectation for Cloke over coming seasons. With these projected, realistic numbers, I would not trade Cloke with Collingwood lacking after Moore a second quality key forward. Cloke at CHF achieving these numbers would be more than adequate and better than any other alternative on the clubs list over the medium term.
10. Jamie Elliott: A best 20 general forward in the competition. Just needs to get his body back to full health in 2017.
11. Marley Williams: Has struggled this year with injuries but can rebound and get back to his best in 2017. Has such a rare power over the ball at ground level that suggests that he can achieve success back, forward or through the midfield depending on where we want to utilise him.
12. Jeremy Howe: High flyer who has proven an excellent get for Collingwood. Has been very effective as an intercept marking back flanker in a backline filled with few others who can intercept. In the air Howe reads it early, going after marks like a forward which is what makes him so effective in his role down back. Someone to keep down back, though able as required to push forward or up onto a wing as required.
13. Travis Varcoe: A major difference maker with his work rate and chasing and pressuring ability often game changing.
14. Alex Fasolo: More mature, playing productive footy up forward again and hitting the scoreboard in a big way.
15. Dane Swan: Was still one of club’s best midfielders and given his ability at stoppages and his still effortless ability to find the footy and kick goals through the midfield he retires as still one of the club’s better players.
--Required players--
16. Tom Langdon: Among the more productive general backmen and other than Howe is the clubs other proven intercepting backman. Another who with injury has seen his season end prematurely but can next season get back to being an effective interceptor down back. He just needs to improve his work by foot off half back to become an untouchable.
17. Mason Cox: Improving rapidly and is already a capable tap ruckman and a threat inside the forward 50m with the quality of his bodywork, hands overhead and cleanness below his knees. Will only get better.
18. Jarrod Witts: Improving tap ruckman who needs to rediscover hard edge, improve his followup work and continue to improve forward of centre. Tap work has improved and finished the season strongly. Ideal depth ruckman with best 22 ability.
19. Nathan Brown: Most reliable key defender on the list and can be counted on to negate the influence of the oppositions most damaging forward each week.
20. Matthew Scharenberg: Injuries have been the issue with Scharenberg but if he gets his body right he can be a long term best 22 component down back given how effective he was in his small taste at the end of 2015.
21. Brayden Maynard: Physical backman who has a crack and has made strong process over the course of the season at AFL level. Will need to continue working on consistency of disposal by foot.
22. Jack Crisp: Improvement in 2016 has halted but has all the attributes to continue his improvement to become a more prominent midfielder and more effective elsewhere around the ground.
23. Tim Broomhead: The clubs best kick into the forward 50m from a forward flank. Has the scope given his combination of attributes to continue improving and establish himself long term as a best 22 player. Needs to stay healthy.
24. Jackson Ramsay: Capable shutdown backman who has improved consistency by foot. Needs a clean injury run.
25. Jonathon Marsh: Can run and take intercept marks with play starting to translate to AFL standard play. Needs to continue working to clean up footskills.
26. Jack Frost: Able to shut down his opponents and go third man up for the spoil but needs to start taking some intercept marks and add some rebounding element to his game to be best 22.
27. James Aish: A wildcard who could go either way and still requires a clear best position. Start to the season was poor but late in the season has shown improvement with his work overhead particularly promising.
28. Tom Phillips: Showing signs at AFL level and will get better with the more games he gets in the 1s.
29. Ben Crocker: Medium marking forward who didn’t look out of his depth during taste at AFL level. His challenge will be the depth of similar marking forwards ahead of him.
30. Rupert Wills: Has shown promise late season at AFL level with his tackling and contested ball winning good. Will need to take stoppage work and contested ball winning from good to dominant and become more consistent by foot to be a best 22 player but has the scope to get there.
--Available for the right price--
31. Levi Greenwood: Strong bodied midfielder who wins the contested ball and has the ability to go head to head with the oppositions better midfielders. He also showed some signs forward of centre and a willingness to fly for marks. Footskills remain an issue along with a glut of too many similar midfielders.
32. Jarryd Blair: Can tackle, pressure, win the ground ball but scoreboard impact not enough for a forward and doesn’t find enough footy to play as a regular midfielder. Only serviceable and mostly used because the club lack a high quality crumbing small forward who can bring the pressure inside the forward 50m.
33. Josh Smith: A real trier with great work rate who can find the footy on the outside but lacking the hurt factor for an outside player to be a best 22 player.
34. Ben Sinclair: Can provide some run from defence and competes well, footskills less inconsistent than they once were. Serviceable over the second half of the season. Needs to stay healthy.
--Available for as little as a small pick upgrade--
35. Adam Oxley: Has shown late season promise in the front half in the VFL. Has the footskills to be useful forward, back or on a wing but is depth rather than best 22.
36. Tyson Goldsack: Can play a role and is a great pressure player but is not a rebounder or strong enough in the 1v1 contests.
37. Brayden Sier: A long way off being a best 22 player at this stage with his production not nearly up to AFL standard at this point or even VFL standard at the current time. Has to be valued because of his height and size. Reports suggest he’ll put in the work so there is something to work with, but he’ll need to improve rapidly to remain with the club beyond season 2017.
38. Alan Toovey: Servicable stopper who can still limit the influence of opponents and hold his own in the 1v1 contests but has lost a step of speed and is no threat to rebound.
39. Jesse White: Has been again only serviceable up forward and it’s a concern he has been required to play up forward again this season at AFL level. I liked the look of White down back over the early portion of the season and feel that is his better position, with his production and rebound from defence encouraging at VFL level. Would like to see White tried again down back in 2017 assuming retained.
40. Corey Gault: Hit the scoreboard in bunches during the preseason but form has not continued into the season proper. Depth only player.
41. Lachlan Keeffe: With what will be two years out of the game Keeffe is a wildcard. He has incredible height for a key defender, can take some intercept marks and by foot is also capable but conditioning and strength with the time out of the game are question marks.
42. Josh Thomas: With two years out of the game it is unclear what kind of condition Thomas comes back in. Lacked the endurance and footskills when he last played so with two years out of the game it is difficult to see how any of that has changed.
43. Matthew Goodyear: Has above average pace and is while still inconsistent starting to find more of the footy at VFL level. Lacks composure and execution by foot.
44. Brent Macaffer: Puts in the work on the track but can’t win enough of the ball or provide enough scoreboard impact to be worth giving games to at AFL level. His value is his work ethic, leadership and example on the training track. Would be great to have playing for the VFL side or potentially as a development coach if he has that ambition.
45. Tim Golds: Allergic to winning the contested footy and not damaging enough for someone so outside. You can’t carry guys on a team list at his age who aren’t winning enough of the footy and having no meaningful impact per possession.
46. Darrean Wyatt: Showed some glimpses of promise early season in the VFL but remains a long way away and a development project. Given age is too far back.
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