News Collingwood are in serious trouble..

[PAFC66]

They'll beat us by 10 goals next week and it will be back to business. There's no doubt they won't win the flag but to suggest they're going to bottom out like Richmond is ridiculous.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Don't disagree but all I'll say is you better not lose to Richmond this week! That would be way worse than a Giants loss.

I actually agree they have cooked this 'challenge for a flag' thing, the Houston trade is fine, it's the Schultz one. I don't get why you trade Ginnavan for a worse version at double the price and that's not even considering the draft capital on top

Shultzy is simply the gift that keeps on giving - horrible trade.

Ginnavan was the archetypal Collingwood forward - annoyed the shite out of us all, but kicked goals & got them going.

Houston is quality - but they are so poor out of the middle - he may end up defending a lot, rather than pushing forward.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Shultzy is simply the gift that keeps on giving - horrible trade.

Ginnavan was the archetypal Collingwood forward - annoyed the shite out of us all, but kicked goals & got them going.

Houston is quality - but they are so poor out of the middle - he may end up defending a lot, rather than pushing forward.

I just wonder whether the plan is Houston in the middle not in defence, maybe that's an option, but boy the Shultz one is a shocker. I could get it if they were flipping Ginna for Charlie Cameron or someone, but what honestly was the point...surely its not because the bloke went to the races before a GF (which made not difference)

 

[Worm4]

I just wonder whether the plan is Houston in the middle not in defence, maybe that's an option, but boy the Shultz one is a shocker. I could get it if they were flipping Ginna for Charlie Cameron or someone, but what honestly was the point...surely its not because the bloke went to the races before a GF (which made not difference)

I've been reliably informed that he won the coaches award in 2024. He is rated very highly from the inner sanctum at collingwood.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I've been reliably informed that he won the coaches award in 2024. He is rated very highly from the inner sanctum at collingwood.

Must make a mean Gatorade or something because it can't be for his goalkicking ability

 

[CCurnow3votes]

I just wonder whether the plan is Houston in the middle not in defence, maybe that's an option, but boy the Shultz one is a shocker. I could get it if they were flipping Ginna for Charlie Cameron or someone, but what honestly was the point...surely its not because the bloke went to the races before a GF (which made not difference)

you would think the plan would be for Houston to play as a HHB - running & distributing off HB and through the middle into F50.

The hope is to release Nick Daicos into the middle.

Their problem against rebounding sides is C’wood simply don’t run both ways - so he’ll be exposed coming back the other way.

It will force Houston back, to be accountable. Teams will be looking for Houston’s player on the rebound.

Not sure who will play HB if he doesn’t - Josh Daicos not looking great back there.

 

[bradfisher14]

They'll beat us by 10 goals next week and it will be back to business. There's no doubt they won't win the flag but to suggest they're going to bottom out like Richmond is ridiculous.

You're right, it is ridiculous to suggest they will bottom out like Richmond.

Collingwood will bottom out far worse and for much longer.

 

[Worm4]

Must make a mean Gatorade or something because it can't be for his goalkicking ability

It's an award you win for defensive pressure, or what i call, being beaten by your opponent so you have to try and chase said opponent out of your own forward line

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It's an award you win for defensive pressure, or what i call, being beaten by your opponent so you have to try and chase said opponent out of your own forward line

Arrh the Owies award was a master of it

 

[LukeParkerno1]

you would think the plan would be for Houston to play as a HHB - running & distributing off HB and through the middle into F50.

The hope is to release Nick Daicos into the middle.

Their problem against rebounding sides is C’wood simply don’t run both ways - so he’ll be exposed coming back the other way.

It will force Houston back, to be accountable. Teams will be looking for Houston’s player on the rebound.

Not sure who will play HB if he doesn’t - Josh Daicos not looking great back there.

Either way you are weakening one area quite significantly and it would help if Darcy Moore took a good look into what Sam Taylor did yesterday his form has tapered off massively. I'd see whether Houston can be a mid first up, with the backup plan being back to HB but who on earth knows. You are right re Josh he's not a HB

 

[carlton_99]

Arrh the Owies award was a master of it

Owies was winning no defensive pressure award

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Owies was winning no defensive pressure award

I call them the Headless Chook award

 

[PAFC66]

You're right, it is ridiculous to suggest they will bottom out like Richmond.

Collingwood will bottom out far worse and for much longer.

Why would you make such a ridiculous statement when they're actually continually topping up on senior players... It's not a recipe for success because they're probably not good enough but it certainly isn't a recipe for a Richmond like bottom out.

 

[PAFC66]

you would think the plan would be for Houston to play as a HHB - running & distributing off HB and through the middle into F50.

The hope is to release Nick Daicos into the middle.

Their problem against rebounding sides is C’wood simply don’t run both ways - so he’ll be exposed coming back the other way.

It will force Houston back, to be accountable. Teams will be looking for Houston’s player on the rebound.

Not sure who will play HB if he doesn’t - Josh Daicos not looking great back there.

I'm looking forward to seeing SPP run straight through Houston.

 

[3KZ is Football]

We wouldn’t have to chase in the first place if we were able to connect on the outside.

But regardless when I said our issue was on the spread, I meant both offensively and defensively.

Yep. We all love the ball in our team’s hands.

 

[bradfisher14]

Why would you make such a ridiculous statement when they're actually continually topping up on senior players... It's not a recipe for success because they're probably not good enough but it certainly isn't a recipe for a Richmond like bottom out.

Richmond are currently bottoming out due to continually topping up with senior players and neglecting the draft.

Collingwood have taken that strategy to the absolute extreme in order to maximise their chance at nabbing a flag before the cliff comes. I actually agree with what they are doing and hope to see my own team do the same one day, but everything comes at a price. They have robbed their future to enhance the present.

Who do you expect to replace the following players who will retire over the next few years?

• Pendlebury
• Sidebottom
• Crisp
• Howe
• Mitchell
• Cox
• Membrey
• Elliott
• Hoskin-Elliott

That's a heck of a lot of quality that will need to be replaced. I don't think their replacements are already on the list, so they'll either need to be drafted ASAP or traded in which will be incredibly expensive. The chances of them doing that are extremely slim. If they fail to do so and are in the lower rungs of the comp during the years when Tassie compromises the draft, it will be a long period at the bottom for them.

 

[Lockyer24]

Brisbane were supposedly shot after a month last year, but I think you need to give us at least a month to judge this early whether we are good enough for finals. One round results can be strange in isolation.

We don’t have the excuse of a shorter preseason this year, but we did control the game for large spells yesterday in hindsight.
We see this happen at Marvel and other small grounds, you can have the football for the whole of the third quarter and because of the small dimensions it’s very easy for the team on the back foot to not concede with numbers back. So many goals these days come from 666 resets and back half launched counter attacks.

Our forwards all had shockers. Our best midfielder was well held and had a bizarre cramping issue. That won’t be the norm. But if we **** up this fortnight it will be too high a hill to climb again like last year.

 

[carlton_99]

Brisbane were supposedly shot after a month last year, but I think you need to give us at least a month to judge this early whether we are good enough for finals. One round results can be strange in isolation.

We don’t have the excuse of a shorter preseason this year, but we did control the game for large spells yesterday in hindsight.
We see this happen at Marvel and other small grounds, you can have the football for the whole of the third quarter and because of the small dimensions it’s very easy for the team on the back foot to not concede with numbers back. So many goals these days come from 666 resets and back half launched counter attacks.

Our forwards all had shockers. Our best midfielder was well held and had a bizarre cramping issue. That won’t be the norm. But if we **** up this fortnight it will be too high a hill to climb again like last year.

Exactly. I haven't really changed my view on Collingwood because of one game - I still have them finishing top 5 in 2025. One game is not enough to change pre-season predictions imo. Need to see at least a month of footy before considering reassessing. And even though the Giants had significant outs they still put out a very good team and I rate them very highly. So wasn't a massive surprise I don't think to see them play that well.

 

[Worm4]

Brisbane were supposedly shot after a month last year, but I think you need to give us at least a month to judge this early whether we are good enough for finals. One round results can be strange in isolation.

In fairness to Brisbane, they had an extraordinary amount of ACL injuries to first 22 players on their list at the time.

 

[paullions]

Brisbane lost by 30+ once last year. Stop comparing us to Collingwood's downfall.

 

[BigFrizz36]

In fairness to Brisbane, they had an extraordinary amount of ACL injuries to first 22 players on their list at the time.

Yeah but the Lions had drafted well and the injuries gave further opportunities to Morris, Lohman, Fletcher etc which they grabbed with open arms.

Not sure that the Pies have the untapped gems there to bring through.

To be fair though I think that they were too bad to be true yesterday. As much as it would bring me great joy to write them off I'm sure that they'll bounce back (to some extent).

It will take a list management genius though to turn the Titanic around before it hits the iceberg at some time in the not too distant future . I'm pretty confident that that genius is not named Justin Leppitsch.

 

[Rich01]

You're right, it is ridiculous to suggest they will bottom out like Richmond.

Collingwood will bottom out far worse and for much longer.

I’m not sure they will.
They have a big bunch of players in that 26-32 year range from the start of next season.

Hill, Quaynor, Perryman, Daicos, Houston, Degoey, Cameron, McStay, Mitchell, Moore, Crisp, WHE.

That’s enough to keep them winning enough games to keep them from toppling over completely while the likes of Pendles, Howe, Sidey, Cox, Elliot and Mihocek likely retire sooner rather than later.

The big question for Leppa and Fly is whether they continue to load up on experienced players through FA and Trade and risk middling out for years without access to any top end draft talent.

I like their strategy this year though. Absolutely all in to pinch another flag.

Whether their midfield stalwarts can carry the can for one last year is the big question. Time will tell if they have overestimated the abilities of their players.

 

[Elixuh]

This must have been what it was like in the early days of the Soviet Unions collapse.

 

[drcollossimo]

Think everyone needs to calm down a fraction

1. It's round 0 (1) Brisbane were 0/5 or something last year, it's a poor game thats all it is.
2. Under every metric until 3/4 Collingwood should have been ahead contested ball, possessions everything, so the margin blew out but they weren't as bad as the margin stated.
3. The Giants showed why they are the premiership favourites or at least very close to it, they had a bit more class when it counted, whether it be Callahan, Toby at times and have the best defender in the game by a country mile in Taylor marking everything.
4. Lets see how they go against Port this week.

I don't think the impending thrashing of us will tell you much if anything

Ken Hinkley port teams Love and I mean that with a capital L love playing the fluffer in these circumstances

Team with its backs against the wall check
Question marks over said clubs strategy check
Need a statement win check
Good old bumpkin Kenny's port will provide the goods don't worry

Nothing surer

 

[Gavin Excell]

This must have been what it was like in the early days of the Soviet Unions collapse.

The Soviet Union had far more runs on the board