2019 Collingwood club focus thread
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IThe best tall forward in the draft? Despite actually being the third picked tall forward in the first 4 picks?
We took the best midfielder in the draft. We are happy.
Hollands was the best medium small not Phillips according to everyone except probably Nth Melbourne. Dont forget the old saying pyke midfielders are a dime a dozen . key positional players are not.The best tall forward in the draft? Despite actually being the third picked tall forward in the first 4 picks?
We took the best midfielder in the draft. We are happy.
Hollands was the best medium small not Phillips according to everyone except probably Nth Melbourne. Dont forget the old saying pyke midfielders are a dime a dozen . key positional players are not.
The same Rendell who has Daicos at #1 next year and the best junior he's seen despite your trepidations on the 'pies draft strategy?Rendell had Phillips at #1 FWIW.
I can't remember ever mentioning "medium small", I said midfielder. Hollands isn't a midfielder, yet.
In fact, we took 2 of the first 3 mids taken in the draft. Normally you need 2 x top 3-4 picks for that scenario.
Also, North weren't the only ones. There's ben a few recruiting teams state they had Phillips/Thilthorpe neck and neck. Hollands actually didn't get a whole heap of mentions. Rendell had Phillips at #1 FWIW.
Theres always midfielders. You traded your best tall and have nothing substantial to replace him.The best tall forward in the draft? Despite actually being the third picked tall forward in the first 4 picks?
We took the best midfielder in the draft. We are happy.
Theres always midfielders. You traded your best tall and have nothing substantial to replace him.
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Great Article what happened in the Draft Room:
Rebuilding the Magpies: inside the Collingwood bunker
An exclusive look from inside the room as Collingwood recruiters helped reshape the club's list on AFL draft night following the traumas of the Magpies' trade period.www.theage.com.au
They need to redo their math then. We have enough for a pick 4 bid and almost enough to cover a pick 3 bid.I think someone on the Pies board worked out (based on this years finish positions) that those picks (before discount) could match a bid for Daicos around 11.
Probably not quite enough based on his projection. We might just need to look to trade in another 2nd or 3rd rounder next off season to make 100% sure we have the points.
Did you see what happened to Geelong in the 2020 trade period? If Geelong didn't have their bevvy of 1st rounders, GWS don't match the Jeremy CameronIt's probably the biggest assumption of the last few years that Collingwood are going to finish above Daicos' bid position.
There's so many moving parts for this to be certain.
1. Is Daicos (who hasn't played since u/16's and only school football to boot) good enough to be in the top half a half a dozen players in the draft? He might not be this time next year.
2. Is Collingwood not going to drop off a cliff?
They only need one of these scenario's to eventuate for that trade to look pretty ordinary, if both eventuate it's a disaster trade imo. i.e Daicos ends up a second round prospect and Collingwood finish in the bottom 5.
They should have waited to see what pick they had in 2021 and where Daicos shaped before trading it. They could have always traded into R1 of 2022.
They've carried all the risk now, for some late first/second round draftee's.
Got 4 kids, we rated in our top 20 and have N.Daicos covered for 2021. We have 2 vacant list spots that we can use in the mid-season draft, to snare any undrafted player from the 2020 draft, who shows a bit in the first half of the year. If we struggle in the first half of the year, that's could be an early mid-season draft pick to 'harvest' a player that we'll keep longer term. Decent chance this type of player could be a 2nd round pick type, but had insufficient exposed form to prove himself.IMHO Collingwood did very well this year but sort of had to to save face for their shocking situation in the trade period.
I have hesitations about clubs going hard this year when I think there will be so many kids who went undrafted this year who would of had great 2020's and will be drafted next year.
I think 2021 will be the best draft we have seen for years and 2020 could have the most busts of any draft for years.
Larkey? You think Larkey is better than any of them? Yeah you are a North Melbourne supporter.I mean, we have a 22 year old 198cm key forward that kicks 1.5 goals a game, which is more than Naughton, Hipwood, Max King, Oscar AllenPLAYERCARDSTART12Max King
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PLAYERCARDEND, Todd MarshallPLAYERCARDSTART12Oscar Allen
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PLAYERCARDENDetc......PLAYERCARDSTART4Todd Marshall
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Shows how little you knowI can see Mayne, Greenwood, Lynch, Cameron, Cox, Thomas and maybe even Madgen/Sier/Brown being moved on end of next season
Upgrades all roundOn paper I think Collingwood made out like absolute bandits. If any/all of Henry, Macrae, Poulter and McInness have an impact on their first season - or at least develop as projected - then they are laughing. Especially with Daicos coming in next season.
All those weeks of pain may have been worth it.
Upgrades all round
Phillips McRae
Stephenson Henry
Treleor McInnes and Poulter
Plus we get to play
Tyler brownPLAYERCARDSTART21Tyler Brown
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Crisp as a mid
Degoey as a mid
And dumped over 2 million
Well done
So glad we got rid of the two prima donners
Dodgy ATTITUDE
Dodgy bodies
Much better list
Good get for your mobI assume your last comments are in relation to Stephenson and maybe Treloar? Phillips comes across as a hard working and humble person with great work ethic and character.
Great club man and work ethic. Unfortunately his downside is his field kicking. He also doesn’t play too well against the better teams. Is still an 18th-22nd for most sides though and adds value.I assume your last comments are in relation to Stephenson and maybe Treloar? Phillips comes across as a hard working and humble person with great work ethic and character.
Great club man and work ethic. Unfortunately his downside is his field kicking. He also doesn’t play too well against the better teams. Is still an 18th-22nd for most sides though and adds value.
2018 has been his best season to date, even 2019 was good, and best 22 but completely dropped off the map this year and did not deserve a spot in the side towards the end before he was dropped. Daicos had developed well and truly taken his wing spot too.IMO slightly harsh on being 18-22.
In your 2018 Grand Final side he was surely ahead of Aish, Greenwood, Varcoe, Thomas, Sier, Cox, WHE and Mayne. Though I acknowledge that Mayne was very good that season.
His kicking can let him down from what I've seen, but what I like is his huge tank and continuous movement. He's in the back pocket one moment and a moment later he's out on the opposite forward flank. We need that constant movement as we have been so boring and stagnant for too long now.
Teams didn't really pay any attention to him that year. He's a good ball getter but his kicking is atrocious. Doesn't matter about how long you can run if you can't do the simple acts of kicking you aren't that good.IMO slightly harsh on being 18-22.
In your 2018 Grand Final side he was surely ahead of Aish, Greenwood, Varcoe, Thomas, Sier, Cox, WHE and Mayne. Though I acknowledge that Mayne was very good that season.
His kicking can let him down from what I've seen, but what I like is his huge tank and continuous movement. He's in the back pocket one moment and a moment later he's out on the opposite forward flank. We need that constant movement as we have been so boring and stagnant for too long now.
Phillips is a good player, the shorter quarters didn’t help him, good snap for goal. His woeful kicking isn’t being exaggerated though, it is very bad and I would say only Ed Langdonis a worse kick of players who regularly play each week. He can also turn it over by hand a lot, just not a skilled player but certainly AFL standard through other strengths.PLAYERCARDSTART15Ed Langdon
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I would say of those listed players, WHE was better in 2018 given he almost kicked 50 goals but the rest he was ahead of.
Will provide a kick out option through hard running, gets easy out the back goals by outrunning his opponent, can rack up the disposals and usually takes the ball forward not backwards.
I think the club grew tired of its bad kicking skills based on the players we moved on and the players we drafted.