News Collingwood looking for new assistant coaches. Leppitsch a target.

[BringouttheGimp]

I can't keep mentoring everyone on here on how the football world works.. how the world works in general.. if you're not going to listen to me.. who are you gonna listen to re.. Marika........ Marika?

Unbelievable re.

 

[jonmacTrag]

GW would not reappoint Buckley if he felt there was a fracture in the group.

Never mentioned a fracture in the group.
There is a sickness in the playing group, you can see by the way they play and their body language.
We have a broken team, the list is compromised because there is no cohesion.

And as I've said - the reality of football life is . . .

No matter what the circumstances the head coach carries the can.

 

[jackcass]

If the Buck's extension does come true I hope we at least revamp the coaching panel, persisting with the current set up is destined for failure.

Leppa as an assistant coach would be a solid addition and I would love us to approach Webster from the WCE, who has been their forward and a development coach for a while now. Additionally I think Bucks needs someone like Williams is to Goodwin at the Dees, an experienced figure who can help mentor or develop the coaching panel. Could someone like Roo's or even Lyon be options in that sort of role?

We added Carroll in a development role in 2020. He's got a big job ahead of him given the kids on our list. Shouldn't we give him some time to show what he can deliver in that role before we contemplate replacing him?

 

[No SPIN]

Never mentioned a fracture in the group.
There is a sickness in the playing group, you can see by the way they play and their body language.
We have a broken team, the list is compromised because there is no cohesion.

And as I've said - the reality of football life is . . .

No matter what the circumstances the head coach carries the can.

The quote from your post 114.

“Make no mistake I believe whatever the facts of his tenure that the playing group is now so fractured he needs to go “

GW is not reappointing Buckley if his relationship with the players is cooked.

 

[shizzle]

How many times does Buckley get the "bring in an experienced assistant to help him out" we did it with Longmuir, turned everything around, he left and we went down the shitter, again.

It doesn't seem he's learnt much from that, still has problems delegating, still wants to control everything, it's his game plan and it's an abject failure.

Bringing in someone again to basically coach for him is an admission of him not being able to get the job done.

Crazy thought how about instead of bringing in a coach to correct Buckley's flaws we just make them head coach, works for me...

 

[jackcass]

I think the next great idea that sees a football club dominate, like Hawthorn only recruiting excellent kicks or Richmond recruiting pace, Geelong's waves of handball, our press, etc.. is most likely to come from someone new. I hope we target blokes based on their vision for the future, rather than targetting blokes based on a vision that has run its course. I don't know if that is GW or not. I don't think there are messiahs that are way ahead of the pack - only great ideas that are ahead of the pack. And recent decisions at Hawthorn show that GW is not a flawless operator - there's no such thing. Hopefully, he has more great ideas to come or if someone else at the club has a great idea he can recognise it and help fulfill it.

Does that necessarily have to be the head coach though? I mean Bucks is acknowledged as the architect of our forward press under MM.

 

[jackcass]

I can't keep mentoring everyone on here on how the football world works.. how the world works in general.. if you're not going to listen to me.. who are you gonna listen to re.. Marika........ Marika?

Unbelievable re.

Thank f^%$ for that.

 

[TradeDraft]

This sounds like a succession plan.

My read is Club knows it’s not going to get an elite coach like Clarkson or Longmire to replace Buckley in 2022. So they offer Bucks an extension on the proviso that Graeme Wright gets to choose the assistant coaches. Wright then hires assistants like Leppitsch, who have the pedigrees to take the top job.

I’d also love him to hire ultra-qualified Mark Williams, a former Collingwood captain, as an assistant coach.

Go get ‘em, Wrighty!


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Bucks won't be able to teach the Assistant anything.

Just sack Bucks and start with a New Head Coach

 

[TradeDraft]

Yeah it's so disheartening. Can they look for a new head coach AND new assistants? Why are they so afraid of change? We need change!

The Buckley Cult run the Club and are Voting Members

 

[No SPIN]

The Buckley Cult run the Club and are Voting Members

Dave, are you saying GW can’t be trusted to make the right decision on Buckley?

 

[OniAu]

Collingwood side by side circle jerking forever

If bucks remains , this is a joke

 

[makethat2]

Firstly we're f’ed for years, so don't be too keen to get your new coach in just yet because he'll no doubt be nutted long before the next window

Secondly, Ross Lyon is on a shortlist of possible coaches, try not to have nightmares about that

Thirdly sounds like we are after someone with another year to run on their contract, the club would be very aware of it's own timelines, there's no rush


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How is Lyons game plan worse then ours?

I'm always amused at how much this is embellished. Our defence was 1 of our strengths before Longmuir took over. He took 1 of our best lines and Bucks gifted him Crispy from the midfield. Exactly what did he do that was so transformative?

You mean the defence that allowed Coast to coast goals time and time again?

Before 2018 we were infuriating in defence. Dominate possession for little result, turn ball over and have the opposition with all the room In the world to walk into an open goal.

Much like 2020 onwards.

 

[Collingwoodity]

I'm always amused at how much this is embellished. Our defence was 1 of our strengths before Longmuir took over. He took 1 of our best lines and Bucks gifted him Crispy from the midfield. Exactly what did he do that was so transformative?

I never really noticed much of a difference with our defence over the past 4-5 years since Howe was recruited - generally above AFL standard most games. The problem always has been midfield and forward lines.

2017
Collingwood had the 10th best defence in 2017. Pretty average.

Collingwood had the 10th best attack in 2017. Pretty average.

2018
Collingwood had the 8th best defence in 2018. Pretty average.

Collingwood had the 3rd best attack in 2018. Excellent.

2019
Collingwood had the 2nd best defence in 2019. Excellent.

Collingwood had the 7th best attack in 2019. Pretty average.

2020
Collingwood had the 3rd best defence in 2020. Excellent.

Collingwood had the 13th best attack in 2020. Below average.

2021
???

 

[jackcass]

You mean the defence that allowed Coast to coast goals time and time again?

Before 2018 we were infuriating in defence. Dominate possession for little result, turn ball over and have the opposition with all the room In the world to walk into an open goal.

Much like 2020 onwards.

I think you're confusing team defence with the defensive group. It was the defensive group that stood up in 2017 while team defence was average at best. In 2016 we had 6 games where we were beaten by 30 points or more (-80, -35, -62, -67, -46, -40) in our 13 losses, team defence was a shambles. In 2017 we cut that to 2 (-37, -31) from our 12 losses, improved team defence. Key difference between 2017 and 2018, we controlled the oppositions transition from our F50 better, ie: improved team defence. That and Crisp was added to the group, and Moore played most of his 7 games for the season back there.

As I say, it was a genuine question. What exactly did Longmuir do?

 

[sr36]

Does that necessarily have to be the head coach though? I mean Bucks is acknowledged as the architect of our forward press under MM.

Acknowledged by who?

 

[anshell]

I'm always amused at how much this is embellished. Our defence was 1 of our strengths before Longmuir took over. He took 1 of our best lines and Bucks gifted him Crispy from the midfield. Exactly what did he do that was so transformative?

I’m pretty sure we used to leak a lot of goals prior to 2018,then when Longmuir joined the coaching staff that year,our defence became our greatest strength.Do you think it’s just a coincidence that this turnaround suddenly happened the year Longmuir joined the club?.I’m not the only one who thinks this by the way.Many people give Longmuir credit for helping to turn around our fortunes in 2018.

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

A new contract for Bucks?

On what basis?

Failure? Is it a sheltered work shop down at the Leyland center?

 

[frizzle]

Does that necessarily have to be the head coach though? I mean Bucks is acknowledged as the architect of our forward press under MM.

The forward press was a St Kilda design from 2009 under Ross Lyon. We just did it even better on 2010.
But who knows who was the brains behind it at our end. I don't think Mick would have let anybody oversee alterations to his game plan.
Especially Bucks. They haven't gotten along from long before the succession plan was implemented. It was even colder after that though.
I suspect Bucks learned nothing in his 2 years as an assistant under Mick. Mick would have made sure he wasn't going to help him.

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

 

[sr36]

The forward press was a St Kilda design from 2009 under Ross Lyon. We just did it even better on 2010.
But who knows who was the brains behind it at our end. I don't think Mick would have let anybody oversee alterations to his game plan.
Especially Bucks. They haven't gotten along from long before the succession plan was implemented. It was even colder after that though.
I suspect Bucks learned nothing in his 2 years as an assistant under Mick. Mick would have made sure he wasn't going to help him.

We used to often read from the same posters two incompatible concepts - Bucks was responsible for the press and thus our premiership and MM totally locked Bucks out of the decision making process.

 

[sr36]

I’m pretty sure we used to leak a lot of goals prior to 2018,then when Longmuir joined the coaching staff that year,our defence became our greatest strength.Do you think it’s just a coincidence that this turnaround suddenly happened the year Longmuir joined the club?.I’m not the only one who thinks this by the way.Many people give Longmuir credit for helping to turn around our fortunes in 2018.

I suspect he was very good, but also think there was a bit of serendipity that occurred. All those injuries to our talls resulted in a more mobile defence that coughed up less ground level and over the top goals. I think Longmuir also moved us away from automatically peeling off the man you were covering to sprint forward to the ball carrier which reduced over the top walk in goals- unfortunately that dumb tactic has returned.

 

[SouthernPie]

I think Longmuir also moved us away from automatically peeling off the man you were covering to sprint forward to the ball carrier which reduced over the top walk in goals- unfortunately that dumb tactic has returned.

I am interested in what you are saying here. So "run" out of defence ala Darcy Moore is not the best ploy? How does the backline move the ball out of defence then? Handball and precise kicking to leads or long bombs to a pack? Not criticizing, just genuinely interested.

 

[jackcass]

Acknowledged by who?

Widely discussed through the media at the time.

 

[jackcass]

I’m pretty sure we used to leak a lot of goals prior to 2018,then when Longmuir joined the coaching staff that year,our defence became our greatest strength.Do you think it’s just a coincidence that this turnaround suddenly happened the year Longmuir joined the club?.I’m not the only one who thinks this by the way.Many people give Longmuir credit for helping to turn around our fortunes in 2018.

I think you're confusing team defence with the defensive group. It was the defensive group that stood up in 2017 while team defence was average at best. In 2016 we had 6 games where we were beaten by 30 points or more (-80, -35, -62, -67, -46, -40) in our 13 losses, team defence was a shambles. In 2017 we cut that to 2 (-37, -31) from our 12 losses, improved team defence. Key difference between 2017 and 2018, we controlled the oppositions transition from our F50 better, ie: improved team defence. That and Crisp was added to the group, and Moore played most of his 7 games for the season back there.

As I say, it was a genuine question. What exactly did Longmuir do?