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AndrewShawble

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I thought this was a good read (below), the most frustrating part of our game plan IMO.


“Still Collingwood fold their wingmen behind the ball defensively to act as pseudo seventh and eighth backmen. Almost weekly an opposition wing is among the best on ground - Bailey Smith round one, Hugh McCluggage round two, Lachie Ash round four, Andrew Gaff (38 touches) round five, and Brandon Ellis on Saturday - because no one really plays on them.
It would be an awful job to play high forward at Collingwood at the moment trying to run to cover the absent wings and still be available as a target or crumb in an often outnumbered forward line.”

 

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Carringbush2010

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I'm not so certain a new head coach would see us contend next year, it'll take more than that. I will concede we could improve dramatically but not necessarily contend, maybe for the 8, even that would be a stretch.

 

stormskye

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I'm not so certain a new head coach would see us contend next year, it'll take more than that. I will concede we could improve dramatically but not necessarily contend, maybe for the 8, even that would be a stretch.

We still have some talent but the bottom 6 are very poor. Agree change will help, but finals is a no. Other teams are improving. Agree re Degoey, wouldn’t get anything worthwhile. Keep him forward and improve our ball movement
 

Mukesh

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I'm not so certain a new head coach would see us contend next year, it'll take more than that. I will concede we could improve dramatically but not necessarily contend, maybe for the 8, even that would be a stretch.

Yeah agreed. Mr Rendell certainly seems to go out of his way to stick the boot into Nathan.... is there some history there that has escaped me ?
 

Carringbush2010

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We still have some talent but the bottom 6 are very poor. Agree change will help, but finals is a no. Other teams are improving. Agree re Degoey, wouldn’t get anything worthwhile. Keep him forward and improve our ball movement
Agreed there's not much to our bottom 6-8 in terms of getting anything better from them.

However, if we improve the output, which clearly there's lots of room there, of our top 15 then we improve dramatically.

Like I've said since the trade fk up, this season and probably the next are all about player and game development and should be.

Unfortunately we've seen zero on the game front, apart from moving the pieces but not changing game and structure, and our youngsters have been hampered by being thrown in the deep end when they should be in the twos developing there.

There are some gems (or could be) on other lists that can't get games, and that have still plenty of footy ahead of them. We may have to go down this path given our disastrous draft position, not ideal but IF we get the right recruiters and them the right players we could be back on the right path in a couple of years. Just a case of convincing those types to come to the club - easier said than done.
 

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I'm not so certain a new head coach would see us contend next year, it'll take more than that. I will concede we could improve dramatically but not necessarily contend, maybe for the 8, even that would be a stretch.

Well we could be not much Worse with a New Coach.

Don't think we could win the Flag but chance to Sneak into the Finals though could be Possible
 

Carringbush2010

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Yeah agreed. Mr Rendell certainly seems to go out of his way to stick the boot into Nathan.... is there some history there that has escaped me ?
Not sure, we can only speculate, I do agree with Matt that a change in coach may improve the what we've got, however it'll take more than just the head coach to actually contend with what we've got.
 

Carringbush2010

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Well we could be not much Worse with a New Coach.

Don't think we could win the Flag but chance to Sneak into the Finals though could be Possible
Agreed Dave, just a fresh change will have immediate improvement - but we can't just look at the here and now. Need to carefully consider for the next half a dozen years, not a desperate get a new coach now and then it falls apart again next year.

Certainly cannot keep the same panel, the assistants are absolutes must go IMO.
 

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Jen2310

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When North Melbourne coach David Noble starts talking about his love of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, his son, Collingwood player John, shrinks a little in his seat.

It’s a familiar feeling for most. John has the classic look of a child whose parent is about to rattle on proudly about something that embarrasses them profoundly. You’re probably not a good parent if you don’t regularly embarrass your children, right?



“We each have got our own characters, I don’t know if we are allowed to talk about characters?” David asks John.
“It’s a bit of an in-house thing,” John responds.

David soon volunteers that among the Noble family he is known as the Hulk. The big green Marvel superhero is the wallpaper on David’s mobile phone, too.
The North Melbourne coach goes on to explain that each of his family, including his children’s partners and his new grandson, go by (or will soon go by) a Marvel superhero nickname.


The Nobles will soon “induct” David’s new granddaughter and his other son’s new partner into the group with their own superhero personae.

“It started with Mark [John’s twin brother] and there was one particular type of thing he used to do, part of his personality, and we said ‘oh, that looks like that sort of [Marvel] character’ and it grew from there,” David says.



“We go and see all the Avengers movies then we reflect on them and talk about it. We’ve got an Avengers photo on our family WhatsApp group home page and yeah, it is pretty cool.

“We haven’t got tatts of them yet.”



John says he will get a tattoo of his character one day. “It has been a bit embarrassing. It is unhealthy how much we involve it,” John jokes. “But it is something that I cherish. Something that brings us all together, particularly when we are separated. We have a group chat and it’s our ‘headquarters’ that we all go to and it is very special.”
John and David will go head to head as opposing player and senior coach on Saturday, at – you guessed it – Marvel Stadium.

“I love playing there,” David says, unashamedly excited.
A father as senior coach against his son on the opposing side is a rare thing in top-level Australian football.


Bob Rose (Collingwood coach) against son Robert (Footscray player) was the first. They went at it once in 1972, and the Bulldogs won.

John Kennedy snr (North Melbourne coach) went head to head with his son John Kennedy jnr (Hawthorn player) eight times from 1985 to 1989. There was one draw and seven wins to the son.



Earlier this year, Bulldogs AFLW coach Nathan Burke was on the losing side when his daughter Alice – a father-daughter signing at St Kilda – took the win.
“It is more of a proud moment from my perspective with how far Dad has come in his career and how long he has been in the system to finally be in the position he has dreamt of for a while,” John Noble says. “It is a proud moment of being his son to go out against him.”
David says he can’t wait.
“We had a unique experience last year [when David was Brisbane’s head of football and the Lions played the Pies] and this is different altogether,” David says.

“We have got to plot a little closer around John’s involvement in the Pies team. That’s a little bit strange.
“Realistically you have got to push that emotion aside and assess him on the way he is playing, and the rest of the group; it is not just about him. We certainly have to discuss it.”


The pair set boundaries when they talk about footy. They don’t talk specifically about club intellectual property, for example, and “respect the positions we have”, as John puts it.

This year, with the Pies struggling and under more pressure than the openly rebuilding Roos, their relationship has been more about emotional support and encouragement.



“For me as a father it is more around how can I support my son who might be struggling to come to terms with not winning a particular game,” David says.
“Not how he executed his game. Just that emotion of ‘damn, we didn’t get this job done’ and I might say ‘well we had an opportunity and didn’t create that’ but we don’t get into the detail of stoppages, for example.”
David says leaning on memories from his boys’ childhood – like reading the twins separate stories at night – or simply connecting with his family now are ways he recharges from the “high-paced” footy environment.
For John, his father has helped him make it in the AFL, but he is thankful for more than that.

“His commitment and loyalty to our family and what it has gone through has been the biggest thing,” the half-back and winger says. “He is a person I look up to as a role model and I would love to be as half as good as him as a family member, let alone a professional, and with his work ethic. It is something I have never taken for granted.
“He is my role model for what I want to build my life on and the family connection he builds with us is something I want with my partner and my children in the future.”
 

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Taylor Adams says Jordan De Goey has become the “scapegoat” for Collingwood losses, adamant his message to the inconsistent forward was one of support after the loss to Gold Coast.
It was reported a group of senior players had demanded more from De Goey as well as themselves after a quiet clash against the Suns.

Adams strongly denied that on social media as “garbage” and on Monday, at the launch of the MND Big Freeze game on Queens Birthday, detailed the nature of his discussion with De Goey.

“There was quite a bit of media attention around Jordy last week and he seems to be the scapegoat when Collingwood aren’t going well,” he said.


“Some of the stuff that was reported was inaccurate. My conversation was leaked from the changerooms, I am not sure how that happens, but the conversation was inaccurate.

“Jordan and I have a great relationship, we have been working on for a number of years now. And we try to make each other better. The conversation was based around one of support, helping him while I am in rehab, watch extra vision, do extra sessions, be a sounding board for him.

“He was coming off a concussion and played a quieter game and I am glad he came out and played the way he did. He had a great week on the track so has to emulate that week.”

The report said the Pies leaders had “put the acid” on De Goey, with Adams less than thrilled any of that conversation had found its way into the media.


“I am not sure if it actually gets leaked, sometimes Chinese whispers turn into something else. My biggest concern for Jordan was not having it brought up in what was being said.

“He knew what had happened and he was very comfortable with how the club handled it.




“Jordan De Goey wasn’t the reason we lost the game against the Gold Coast, although it seemed like that last week so it was pleasing to see him come out and perform.”

Jeremy Howe continues to battle hamstring pain, with Adams making clear he was not a certain starter against Sydney next week.

He is battling a scar tissue injury in his hamstring but needs to train well this week to play.




He said Jordan Roughead, not concussed but finishing the North Melbourne win off the ground after a head knock, was keen to play against the Swans.

Those conversations will need to be had with the AFL this week to give him the all-clear under the league’s protocols around head knocks and concussions.
 

Pistol Night

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It's good to know the media would be just as understanding and supportive of two Collingwood players if they found themselves in the situation the Tigger boys did, right
Ha. The narrative is fu**en sickening between Collingwood and other teams. Robbo strangely queit today the bald w***er. Different story if Bucks farts or something not as horrendous.
 

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