COLLINGWOOD. NEXT 5 YEARS?

[sr36]

Yes, but Carlton's three are way better than our three, as charitable as you want to be to our guys. Weitering was AA this year and Curnow and McKay have three Coleman's between them.

I'm not including Howe or the rucks because they're not key position players and you're aware of that.

I feel like you're extremely focused on "on-field for 2025 alone" when I'm talking about taking 18 year olds in the draft and developing them for the future, so you have to compare apples with apples, so teams like Gold Coast (Walter/Andrew) and GWS (Cadman) makes an enormous difference.

Even if we compete this year with the group we have, we're in a dramatically worse position with our list than more than half the list in terms of actual key position players that aren't rucks or surprisingly good marking flankers.

We need to improve the tall talent position on our list. Even if we've got an old group that we can get by with for now.

I think we view the game differently.

I'm not aware that Howe plays a particularly different role to Moore for a start.

To me we've got blokes who play ahead or behind the ball and contest in the air when the ball is kicked long - as their primary task in that situation. And that definitely includes Howe - who plays a very similar role in a very similar way to Moore, despite the height difference. It also includes our rucks - we've got two who are a fair bit stronger than most in the air.

One of our strengths is that teams are in trouble if they go with long kicks into their forward line - as our defence monsters them. And ultimately that's the job of your talls, whether they get ticked off as being proper KPDs or not.

I did say that Carlton was one of the teams wwith stronger talls than us - just pointing out that it's not depth - which is part of your claim - it's that they have 3 stars nad TDK headding in that direction, whereas we have solid players - and one star in Moore.

I'm focusing on 2025 because i don't care that McStay, Mihocek, Howe, Cameron and Cox weren't on our list at 18.

 

[Dtennent94]

I thought it might be interesting to chat about this topic now that we have a couple of games of data to work with.

How would you handle Collingwood’s list over the next 5 years?

What’s the strategy? Who retires and when? Who do you target via trade/FA or what type of players do you look to draft?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I thought it might be interesting to chat about this topic now that we have a couple of games of data to work with.

How would you handle Collingwood’s list over the next 5 years?

What’s the strategy? Who retires and when? Who do you target via trade/FA or what type of players do you look to draft?

I think it's a little to early to say exactly who retires and when. But I think we need to retire 2-3 over the next 3-4 years.

 

[sr36]

I thought it might be interesting to chat about this topic now that we have a couple of games of data to work with.

How would you handle Collingwood’s list over the next 5 years?

What’s the strategy? Who retires and when? Who do you target via trade/FA or what type of players do you look to draft?

With the oldies, it often comes down to injuries. But I think Pendles, Cox and Mitchell will go at the end of the year. Howe and Steele to play on. The others will still have their hands up and I can't see them getting pushed yet.

 

[Dtennent94]

I think it's a little to early to say exactly who retires and when. But I think we need to retire 2-3 over the next 3-4 years.

Well we are aware of the positions/roles of players who are likely to retire and their possible replacements on our list. Gauging replacements from outside the list is tougher but we can take a stab.

My guess for retirements:

2025

• Pendles (replaced by Allan)
• Howe (replaced by Reef/Ryan/Jiath)
• Cox (replaced by Condon/Steene/Smit/DFA)

2026

• Sidebottom (replaced by Parker)
• Elliott (replaced by Harrison)
• Mitchell (replaced by McGuane)

2027

• Mihochek (replaced by West)
• Hoskin-Elliott (replaced by DeMattia)
• De Goey (don’t see him wanting to play forever)

2028

• Crisp (???)
• Moore (similar to De Goey, body could also fail him)
• McStay (???)

 

[stormskye]

Well we are aware of the positions/roles of players who are likely to retire and their possible replacements on our list. Gauging replacements from outside the list is tougher but we can take a stab.

My guess for retirements:

2025

• Pendles (replaced by Allan)
• Howe (replaced by Reef/Ryan/Jiath)
• Cox (replaced by Condon/Steene/Smit/DFA)

2026

• Sidebottom (replaced by Parker)
• Elliott (replaced by Harrison)
• Mitchell (replaced by McGuane)

2027

• Mihochek (replaced by West)
• Hoskin-Elliott (replaced by DeMattia)
• De Goey (don’t see him wanting to play forever)

2028

• Crisp (???)
• Moore (similar to De Goey, body could also fail him)
• McStay (???)

In the last 3 seasons we’ve added mcstay, Mitchell, frampton, hill, Schultz, perryman, Houston and Membrey.

You are neglecting trades in the above scenarios. It will still form a large part of us regenerating the list

 

[Dtennent94]

Having a look at our recently retired players… there aren’t many. I mean significant players who retired after a fairly full career.

• Beams
• Murphy (barely counts)
• Roughead
• Mayne
• Dunn
• Wells
• Greenwood
• Varcoe

We have done a good job of kicking this can down the road, that’s for sure!

 

[Dtennent94]

In the last 3 seasons we’ve added mcstay, Mitchell, frampton, hill, Schultz, perryman, Houston and Membrey.

You are neglecting trades in the above scenarios. It will still form a large part of us regenerating the list

I’m stoked with what the club are doing. I’m not neglecting that aspect, but you can’t really predict it beyond this year (I think and hope we will pick up Ed Richards and a KPD).

I do think we can discuss when players might finish up their careers though.

Ps. Don’t forget Markov!

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Well we are aware of the positions/roles of players who are likely to retire and their possible replacements on our list. Gauging replacements from outside the list is tougher but we can take a stab.

My guess for retirements:

2025

• Pendles (replaced by Allan)
• Howe (replaced by Reef/Ryan/Jiath)
• Cox (replaced by Condon/Steene/Smit/DFA)

2026

• Sidebottom (replaced by Parker)
• Elliott (replaced by Harrison)
• Mitchell (replaced by McGuane)

2027

• Mihochek (replaced by West)
• Hoskin-Elliott (replaced by DeMattia)
• De Goey (don’t see him wanting to play forever)

2028

• Crisp (???)
• Moore (similar to De Goey, body could also fail him)
• McStay (???)

If I had to guess I would agree with your 2025 and 2026 lists.

 

[Jen2310]

Well we are aware of the positions/roles of players who are likely to retire and their possible replacements on our list. Gauging replacements from outside the list is tougher but we can take a stab.

My guess for retirements:

2025

• Pendles (replaced by Allan)
• Howe (replaced by Reef/Ryan/Jiath)
• Cox (replaced by Condon/Steene/Smit/DFA)

2026

• Sidebottom (replaced by Parker)
• Elliott (replaced by Harrison)
• Mitchell (replaced by McGuane)

2027

• Mihochek (replaced by West)
• Hoskin-Elliott (replaced by DeMattia)
• De Goey (don’t see him wanting to play forever)

2028

• Crisp (???)
• Moore (similar to De Goey, body could also fail him)
• McStay (???)

I wouldn't be surprised if we have Mitchell on the 2025 list.

 

[DopeMaster]

With Pendles and Sidey finishing up in the next year or two, we replace one with internal development ie Allan, and the other with a ready made recruit: Rowell, LDU, Richards etc. This is the most important thing to get right for a smooth transition.

Second, Until we develop or target another high level key back, a cheapie in the short term like Hawthorne Frost would help. IMO Moore would be better utilized as a floating interceptor than a defensive back, so a lockdown back would free him up to float, potentially filling Howes void for when he hangs up the boots.

Third, another Bobby Hill esque trade, 2nd rounder for a young 20’s player with a high ceiling would be nice. Who’s available?

Nail those three this offseason and ‘the cliff’ gets further away.

Positionally, id be inclined to shuffle Daics back onto a wing where he was AA, freeing up a spot to pump games into Parker who I believe has a bright future. Getting 15+ games into he and Allan this year would be prudent.

Amazing the longevity we’re getting out of some of our players. So long as they keep performing better than the next man up there is no reason to retire anyone prematurely. Tactical retirements to ‘stagger’ them is a poor choice. We’re in it to win it every year and if the older players are the best option by position we keep playing them until they’re not.

 

[jc37]

Players we have recruited since 2021 still at the club

McInness Frampton Parker
Houston Dean Jiath
Lipinski Perryman Markov
Schulz Johnson McCreery
Membrey McStay Hill
Steene Daicos N
Mitchell
Long, Allan, Sullivan, Harrison

Cochrane, West, Smit, Ryan, DeMattia, Hayes, Macrae

That is not a bad team particularly excluding Daicos we havent had a top 10 pick.

So who knows other than McGuane who we likely recruit.