List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

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legendstatus

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We’re still dangerously low on top 10 pick talent, really need to aggressively target the 2022 draft because Daicos plus some 3rd rounder kids is not enough to build a premiership team around.
Reckon 5 in the top 30 odd last year was reasonable last year but time will tell.


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Kappa

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Reckon 5 in the top 30 odd last year was reasonable last year but time will tell.


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there’s a massive difference between a kid rated in the low 20s and someone in that top 5 elite group. Think it’s generous to call McMahon a top 30 pick on talent, I think most clubs would have him a lot lower than that just we wanted to take a tall and there wasn’t much left at that point.
 

Mollythedolly

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right… please point out who said that though??

we need elite draft picks to build a premiership list around, Daicos is a start but not enough
Nah, we need elite players. Don't care where they come in the draft, as long as they end up as A-graders. Could just as easily end up being McInnes or Macrae or Henry as Nick Daicos.
 

sr36

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there’s a massive difference between a kid rated in the low 20s and someone in that top 5 elite group. Think it’s generous to call McMahon a top 30 pick on talent, I think most clubs would have him a lot lower than that just we wanted to take a tall and there wasn’t much left at that point.
Let's look at the great teams of recent years: Richmond had 2 top 5 kids in their team. Hawthorn 3 ( 4 when they had Ellis). Geelong -none. We;ve got JDG -5, Moore got a bid at 4, WHE was drafted 4 (no I'm not saying he's much chop) Daicos 4 - Pendles - 5. More top 5 kids than any of those teams. We need to find players at all ranges of the draft. Hopefully we found a couple tonight and one last night.
 

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Let's look at the great teams of recent years: Richmond had 2 top 5 kids in their team. Hawthorn 3 ( 4 when they had Ellis). Geelong -none. We;ve got JDG -5, Moore got a bid at 4, WHE was drafted 4 (no I'm not saying he's much chop) Daicos 4 - Pendles - 5. More top 5 kids than any of those teams. We need to find players at all ranges of the draft. Hopefully we found a couple tonight and one last night.
Yep...we all hope/expect Daicos to be our next Pendlebury type talent to carry our midfield.

And yep, the good sides just continually manage to add good players every year...whether it be draft, free agents, trading, mature players, FS...

We have had more than our fair share of top 10 duds - Freeman, 'Berg, Egan, Cole, Roach...DeGoey and Moore whilst amazingly talented can't get on the park.
 

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Apex36

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Let's look at the great teams of recent years: Richmond had 2 top 5 kids in their team. Hawthorn 3 ( 4 when they had Ellis). Geelong -none. We;ve got JDG -5, Moore got a bid at 4, WHE was drafted 4 (no I'm not saying he's much chop) Daicos 4 - Pendles - 5. More top 5 kids than any of those teams. We need to find players at all ranges of the draft. Hopefully we found a couple tonight and one last night.
Moore was bid on at 6.
 

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He was bid on by Dogs at 9.


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Nah it was 6. The Dogs placed the bid before they traded it in the Boyd/ Griffen deal. The FS bid matching process back then was that you needed to match any bid with your next live pick and it was done pre trade period so you couldn’t then go and trade out all your quality picks. Heeney received a bid by Melbourne at 3, but the system back then allowed Sydney to match with 18.
 

doppleganger

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Nah it was 6. The Dogs placed the bid before they traded it in the Boyd/ Griffen deal. The FS bid matching process back then was that you needed to match any bid with your next live pick and it was done pre trade period so you couldn’t then go and trade out all your quality picks. Heeney received a bid by Melbourne at 3, but the system back then allowed Sydney to match with 18.

The actual bid was pick5, as it was done before the FA compo gave Melbourne an extra pick...thus shuffling others back so come draft night it ended up being 6.

Moore valued as a pick5 by the Dogs
 

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Moore was bid on at 6.
Nope

Dogs had 5 to bid with when father son nominations were done.

FA compo was after that, their pick moved back (as did everyone) when Melbourne given pick3 compo for Frawley.

Moore a top5 pick....we lucked out with the system at the time to get him for unders.
 

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Let's look at the great teams of recent years: Richmond had 2 top 5 kids in their team. Hawthorn 3 ( 4 when they had Ellis). Geelong -none. We;ve got JDG -5, Moore got a bid at 4, WHE was drafted 4 (no I'm not saying he's much chop) Daicos 4 - Pendles - 5. More top 5 kids than any of those teams. We need to find players at all ranges of the draft. Hopefully we found a couple tonight and one last night.
Pendles will not be part of our next flag and is guiding the next group through not part of the rebuilt list in 3 years.
You only added him to boost your numbers.
I'd extend that to top 10 picks, top 5 being your absolute star types usually but elite talent in top 15 on ave.
Those ^^ teams fair far better when you do that but you do need 2 or 3 stars in that group of elites imo makes it much easier.

You also need to have bottomed in a draft that gives you a Hodge Martin Pettracca Franklin game changer instead of a Gibbs or Murphy type accumulator
 

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