List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016 part 2 - see Mod Warning p 281

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Agree with some of your thoughts there Snoop but personally i cant see us getting that high in the draft

My realistic trade options

Witts, pick 43 for GC's pick 22 + 40

Frost , Oxley pick 40 for Brisbane picks 28 and 47

3 way deal involving Cloke, Jong and GC.
Jong to GC for pick 27, bulldogs forward that pick on to us for Cloke and pick 61

Gives us 22, 25, 27, 28, 47, 79

Forward picks 27 and 28 to GWS for WHE and Stewart

Gives us picks 22, 25, 47, 79

All in all we lose
Cloke, Witts, Oxley, Frost pick 43

Gain
WHE, Stewart, 22, 25, 47, 79

I would look at swapping 25 for 2 picks in the 30's to guarantee Brown and Daicos.

If brown and daicos are valued at between picks 30-40, we should be able to cover that including our 25% discount

Off season of WHE, Stewart, Brown, Daicos with pick 22 is good for the future

Keeps everything in play for the 2017 draft/trade period where im sure we hav identified a big target
 

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No love for Josh Green? He's certainly not Cyril/Walters but more dangerous than Blairy, especially if Mayne comes on board as that defensive forward.

Here's some other names I haven't heard mentioned too often that may be worth some consideration and wouldn't cost top $:

Taylor Garner (really like Mason Shaw but don't think he'll be going anywhere, makes Garner expendable?)
Jonathan Freeman
Michael Close
Sam Reid
Titch Edwards
Nathan Hrovat
Mitch Honeychurch
Hayden Crozier
Cam Ellis-Yolmen
Brendon AhChee
Clancee Pearce
Jason Holmes (understand the idea of Maric, but he really looks shot)

Or if we did have some assets to spare, I'd really like the idea of:

Ben Lennon
Steve Motlop
Aaron Hall
I would prefer Dale or WHE than Green to be honest. Lazy footballer. I like the idea of Ah Chee but no idea what he'd cost. Sanderson mentioned him on radio as a player he'd worked with at the academy. I also like the Motlop suggestion, also lazy but so much more talent. I think we need players that can create something out of nothing.
 

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Agree with some of your thoughts there Snoop but personally i cant see us getting that high in the draft

My realistic trade options

Witts, pick 43 for GC's pick 22 + 40

Frost , Oxley pick 40 for Brisbane picks 28 and 47

3 way deal involving Cloke, Jong and GC.
Jong to GC for pick 27, bulldogs forward that pick on to us for Cloke and pick 61

Gives us 22, 25, 27, 28, 47, 79

Forward picks 27 and 28 to GWS for WHE and Stewart

Gives us picks 22, 25, 47, 79

All in all we lose
Cloke, Witts, Oxley, Frost pick 43

Gain
WHE, Stewart, 22, 25, 47, 79

I would look at swapping 25 for 2 picks in the 30's to guarantee Brown and Daicos.

If brown and daicos are valued at between picks 30-40, we should be able to cover that including our 25% discount

Off season of WHE, Stewart, Brown, Daicos with pick 22 is good for the future

Keeps everything in play for the 2017 draft/trade period where im sure we hav identified a big target
Good effort, we should be aiming for the first rounder is Witts is offed to GCS package Oxley in their aswell.
I think Stewart will come very cheap. Or at least I hope. WHE and Stewart can both be had for pick 25 maybe?
 

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Good effort, we should be aiming for the first rounder is Witts is offed to GCS package Oxley in their aswell.
I think Stewart will come very cheap. Or at least I hope. WHE and Stewart can both be had for pick 25 maybe?
I would like both those scenarios but i was trying to be conservative and not let my bias show through.

I think GWS would want a pick between 15-20 for WHE and a pick 30-40 for Stewart, so on the balance of it i think it would be about right, maybe they could flick us a 3rd rounder on top of it.

As i said, was trying to be conservative and somewhat realistic. I know that doesnt go too well here on big footy
 
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Posted something along these lines up the other day;

Currently have picks 25, 43, 61 and 79.

My bet is Collingwood will aim to take in 1 - 2 picks before they expect a bid on Daicos & Brown. Personally I think that will be around pick 25 onwards and I think Daicos will get hit first FWIW.

Given Lions & Suns interest in Witts I would be aiming to get one of the picks the Suns land through their O'Meara deal. I reckon it will be the Hawks pick 14 that we might ultimately get and then hand back # 43. People will laugh at that but go and have a look at historic deals for ruck men like Jacobs, Longger and Hickey.

That now gives us 14, 25, 47, 61 and 79

I think Frost will be moved on and I suspect Lions will land him for a pick around 40 which they source from somewhere. They have 47 but i suspect Collingwood will see that as to low. The deals in previous years around Hampson, White, West, Panful, S.Frost, Jenkins, Renouf, Lynch who were all comparable to him at the same stage were all done in the early 30's so I would think a pick around 40 about right.

In respect to Cloke I can't see Collingwood accepting a 4th round selection so I think the pick 33 now comes in to play if they don't agree a player swap of Dale or Hrovat. I could see Collingwood taking pick 33 and handing back pick 61.

Oxley I think will move on and I suspect a pick around 55 would see him done.

That would leave us with 14, 25, 33, 40, 55, 61 and 79.

From their I think Collingwood will do one of two things. They will try and use those first 3-4 trades to get higher or take a view that its an even draft and just use those picks.

If they trade up I think the two clubs up the order who would be open are Port and North. So I would put on the table 14 and 40 and see if you could get to their 9 or 11 respectively. Saints may be another. If they want Steele and think #10 is to much and given don't have a 2nd round then our 25 and 33 may be pretty handy too them. Maybe they would take that deal and then hand over 14 to GWS.

Going to be interesting. We could end up getting quite a bit higher in this draft yet.

Nice work. How does the prospect of picking up WHE fit into your scenarios? Seems like we're pretty heavily linked to him at this stage. Would it be a simple swap for Pick 25? That would obviously change out plan for moving up the order.
 

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I don't understand how, based upon what he's shown at senior level, Hine's assessment could have changed so drastically from his draft year.
Hypothetically: Given that he went at pick #27, and you could presume a similar bid would have been made on him, which would have meant us using our pick #38 to get him, which at the time, may have been more than we were willing to pay. The club knows that he'll attract a bid higher than pick #38 and decides not to subject him to the embarrassment of having the chance to match a bid, and declining.

Fast forward, and even if he's tracking exactly as expected, but now we have a greater need for a KPF than we did then, his price will be comparatively lower than it was then because he's not going to cost a pick as high, or the draft isn't as strong, and the age profile of the list is different, and all of a sudden, without having exceeded Hine's expectations, he could have become a target.

I'm not saying any of this IS the case, or that I agree with the notion, but in a hypothetical world, it's possible for the scenario to have changed enough that it's possible he's a target.
 

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Hypothetically: Given that he went at pick #27, and you could presume a similar bid would have been made on him, which would have meant us using our pick #38 to get him, which at the time, may have been more than we were willing to pay. The club knows that he'll attract a bid higher than pick #38 and decides not to subject him to the embarrassment of having the chance to match a bid, and declining.

Fast forward, and even if he's tracking exactly as expected, but now we have a greater need for a KPF than we did then, his price will be comparatively lower than it was then because he's not going to cost a pick as high, or the draft isn't as strong, and the age profile of the list is different, and all of a sudden, without having exceeded Hine's expectations, he could have become a target.

I'm not saying any of this IS the case, or that I agree with the notion, but in a hypothetical world, it's possible for the scenario to have changed enough that it's possible he's a target.
Yep, and there may be nothing in our suggested interest

Anderson is usually more certain about interest by recruiters in a player than he was on Thursday.
His view this week will be worth listening to
 

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Posted something along these lines up the other day;

Currently have picks 25, 43, 61 and 79.

My bet is Collingwood will aim to take in 1 - 2 picks before they expect a bid on Daicos & Brown. Personally I think that will be around pick 25 onwards and I think Daicos will get hit first FWIW.

Given Lions & Suns interest in Witts I would be aiming to get one of the picks the Suns land through their O'Meara deal. I reckon it will be the Hawks pick 14 that we might ultimately get and then hand back # 43. People will laugh at that but go and have a look at historic deals for ruck men like Jacobs, Longger and Hickey.

That now gives us 14, 25, 47, 61 and 79

I think Frost will be moved on and I suspect Lions will land him for a pick around 40 which they source from somewhere. They have 47 but i suspect Collingwood will see that as to low. The deals in previous years around Hampson, White, West, Panful, S.Frost, Jenkins, Renouf, Lynch who were all comparable to him at the same stage were all done in the early 30's so I would think a pick around 40 about right.

In respect to Cloke I can't see Collingwood accepting a 4th round selection so I think the pick 33 now comes in to play if they don't agree a player swap of Dale or Hrovat. I could see Collingwood taking pick 33 and handing back pick 61.

Oxley I think will move on and I suspect a pick around 55 would see him done.

That would leave us with 14, 25, 33, 40, 55, 61 and 79.

From their I think Collingwood will do one of two things. They will try and use those first 3-4 trades to get higher or take a view that its an even draft and just use those picks.

If they trade up I think the two clubs up the order who would be open are Port and North. So I would put on the table 14 and 40 and see if you could get to their 9 or 11 respectively. Saints may be another. If they want Steele and think #10 is to much and given don't have a 2nd round then our 25 and 33 may be pretty handy too them. Maybe they would take that deal and then hand over 14 to GWS.

Going to be interesting. We could end up getting quite a bit higher in this draft yet.
I cant see saints being open to it. I reckon saints want Logue with their first pick
 

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Agree with some of your thoughts there Snoop but personally i cant see us getting that high in the draft

My realistic trade options

Witts, pick 43 for GC's pick 22 + 40

Frost , Oxley pick 40 for Brisbane picks 28 and 47

3 way deal involving Cloke, Jong and GC.
Jong to GC for pick 27, bulldogs forward that pick on to us for Cloke and pick 61

Gives us 22, 25, 27, 28, 47, 79

Forward picks 27 and 28 to GWS for WHE and Stewart

Gives us picks 22, 25, 47, 79

All in all we lose
Cloke, Witts, Oxley, Frost pick 43

Gain
WHE, Stewart, 22, 25, 47, 79

I would look at swapping 25 for 2 picks in the 30's to guarantee Brown and Daicos.

If brown and daicos are valued at between picks 30-40, we should be able to cover that including our 25% discount

Off season of WHE, Stewart, Brown, Daicos with pick 22 is good for the future

Keeps everything in play for the 2017 draft/trade period where im sure we hav identified a big target
GWS already hold 2 2nd rounders this year as they have Adelaide's so maybe 22 or 25 and a 2017 2nd rounder may appeal to them for WHE & Stewart depending on who they have for Academy selections next year.

I'd started to think we didn't need another KPF via trade but draft buy maybe a Stewart/Close/Freeman and one via the draft may be better from an age demographic. This would also depend on whether we view Cox as a ruck or a forward predominantly.
 

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Wouldn't mind Aaron Hall from GC get him involved in the Witts deal.
Then bring in Wells.
Have one on each wing and play Sidebottom off half forward


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Hall is an A grade mid tracking to elite status. No way we get him. Hed be in their top 3 or so untouchables.
 

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well left said:
GWS already hold 2 2nd rounders this year as they have Adelaide's so maybe 22 or 25 and a 2017 2nd rounder may appeal to them for WHE & Stewart depending on who they have for Academy selections next year.

I'd started to think we didn't need another KPF via trade but draft buy maybe a Stewart/Close/Freeman and one via the draft may be better from an age demographic. This would also depend on whether we view Cox as a ruck or a forward predominantly.
Would be keen to do a 2017 2nd rounder as well but i hav a feeling we hav something big going on next year and may need all available picks for that years draft/trade period
 

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Wouldn't mind Aaron Hall from GC get him involved in the Witts deal.
Then bring in Wells.
Have one on each wing and play Sidebottom off half forward


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Aaron Hall yes please. GCS want players though not seeing them trading anything other than picks.
 

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GWS already hold 2 2nd rounders this year as they have Adelaide's so maybe 22 or 25 and a 2017 2nd rounder may appeal to them for WHE & Stewart depending on who they have for Academy selections next year.

I'd started to think we didn't need another KPF via trade but draft buy maybe a Stewart/Close/Freeman and one via the draft may be better from an age demographic. This would also depend on whether we view Cox as a ruck or a forward predominantly.
We aren't get James Stewart nor are we interested. He's not a KPF either.
 

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Aaron Hall yes please. GCS want players though not seeing them trading anything other than picks.

Was thinking a 3 way trade with GC and Dogs...

We get Hall
Dogs get Cloke
GC get Witts and Jong
Throw in a few pics here or there


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