List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016 part 2 - see Mod Warning p 281

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I have heard (third hand) that GWS pulled out once the price for Witts climbed beyond what they thought he was worth.
They have a kid Ruck in their seconds (not sure of his name) they are going to try to develop plus they think they can pick up project Ruck in the draft/rookie draft.
Not sure of the accuracy of this, just the word doing the rounds
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Watching Liam Picken's performances against Hawthorn makes me think what could have been.
In the years 2009 to and including 2012, I'm not sure whose spot he would have taken. My Bulldogs mates used to bag the crap out of him during their lean years. They're loving him now but there is always a 'but'.
 

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I have heard (third hand) that GWS pulled out once the price for Witts climbed beyond what they thought he was worth.
They have a kid Ruck in their seconds (not sure of his name) they are going to try to develop plus they think they can pick up project Ruck in the draft/rookie draft.
Not sure of the accuracy of this, just the word doing the rounds
Downie is 201cm so his attributes as a ruck would have to be pretty exemplary. Dawson Simpson is 28 next year so is on parallel tracks to Mumford.
 

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The Giants are attempting to get their hands on pick 1 (via Lobb/McCarthy/Freo pick 3 + perhaps Jack Steele), Carlton's pick 5 (for Marchbank, Stewart), have pick 7 (our 2016 1st round), pick 15 (Geelong's 1st round via Henderson) and their natural 1st round at 16, 17 or 18.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...k=b08b72c8ac6342d56ad57195880c3c71-1474677758

Therefore Witts becomes a prospect imv post Lobb and they will have plenty of currency to work with. They've already got Adelaide's 2nd round coming and no doubt some other players will net them some 2nd round picks this year.

In the context of a bidding war they can go the lowest imo and definitely have a need with Lobb going and Mumford ageing.
I'd suspect if Carlton give up pick 5 for Marchbank it would be involve the Giants first round or the Geelong pick coming back them. Can't see SOS wanting to wait until 23 even if he does get all his GWS boys back.

I reckon Carlton's 1st rounder next year may be the one to use on Marchbank.

Either way the fact that GWS are angling for pick 1 and GCS are looking for players having lost Prestia and JOM means they will be in the mood to deal so hopefully we are too and we can get something done. Getting back into the 1st round would certainly give us more flexibility to deal this year and next.
 

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Seems to be the view at West Coast that Lobb's a ruck. Maybe you could fly over and stage an intervention.

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/west-...-fill-nic-nats-big-boots-20160825-gr0pl8.html

Doesn't change the fact either that at GWS there is no clear replacement for Mumford.
Oh I agree GWS seem to me to have a Jarrod Witts sized hole in their list underneath Mumford which Downie won't fill regardless of how highly they rate him. I just wouldn't be bothering with the word of Hackdorn because Lobb is as much a ruckman as Jenkins, Wright, Boyd, McKay x 2 and Moore.

He's just a next gen super tall KPF if he gets into the Fremantle system he'll become the player they always hoped Clark would become under Sandi.
 

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I'd suspect if Carlton give up pick 5 for Marchbank it would be involve the Giants first round or the Geelong pick coming back them. Can't see SOS wanting to wait until 23 even if he does get all his GWS boys back.

I reckon Carlton's 1st rounder next year may be the one to use on Marchbank.

Either way the fact that GWS are angling for pick 1 and GCS are looking for players having lost Prestia and JOM means they will be in the mood to deal so hopefully we are too and we can get something done. Getting back into the 1st round would certainly give us more flexibility to deal this year and next.
The suggestion is Marchbank and Stewart for 5. GWS would probably want to trade a 2nd round rather than give up any of their firsts. But who knows.

But as you say, getting into the first round is more about setting up for a big play next year with 2 first rounds.
 

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Downie is 201cm so his attributes as a ruck would have to be pretty exemplary. Dawson Simpson is 28 next year so is on parallel tracks to Mumford.
Yep, that's the kid, but the bigger issue was they thought Witts was only worth a very late 2nd rounder at best, they wanted to give up a 3rd rounder for him
Mumford is under 200 so not sure that is a huge issue for Downie if they get from him what they think they can
Someone might like to post his NEAFL figures, I understand they are quite reasonable for a kid of his age
 
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The Giants are attempting to get their hands on pick 1 (via Lobb/McCarthy/Freo pick 3 + perhaps Jack Steele), Carlton's pick 5 (for Marchbank, Stewart), have pick 7 (our 2016 1st round), pick 15 (Geelong's 1st round via Henderson) and their natural 1st round at 16, 17 or 18.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...k=b08b72c8ac6342d56ad57195880c3c71-1474677758

Therefore Witts becomes a prospect imv post Lobb and they will have plenty of currency to work with. They've already got Adelaide's 2nd round coming and no doubt some other players will net them some 2nd round picks this year.

In the context of a bidding war they can go the lowest imo and definitely have a need with Lobb going and Mumford ageing.
Can't see bombers giving up pick one however. Would be worth four first rounders next year and Dylan Shiel's and two first rounders this year. #overvalueeverythingatbomberland
 

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You can't see how Lobb going to WA doesn't benefit us re a potential Witts move? :drunk::drunk::drunk:
With Lobb a KPF cum ruckman and Witts having the forward ability of a lampost you might need to explain it? IMO, GWS need Witts regardless and my guess is that BJ is spot on they don't rate him enough. With Lobb playing a vastly different role they might as well target Blair as a replacement because he's more reliable overhead I50 and on the lead than Witts.
 

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I think GWS and Carlton have both cooled a bit on Witts
I think the Suns and Lions are the only two clubs interested at the moment
Think I read that Hawks have met him twice and reckon Richmond could do with him too. If he would prefer to stay in Melbourne he could end up at either of those clubs.


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Think I read that Hawks have met him twice and reckon Richmond could do with him too. If he would prefer to stay in Melbourne he could end up at either of those clubs.


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Yes, absolutely. As we know anything can happen once the bidding starts.
But for me, I understand the Suns are pretty keen on him and you can probably put that down to Rocket knowing him
 

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Oh I agree GWS seem to me to have a Jarrod Witts sized hole in their list underneath Mumford which Downie won't fill regardless of how highly they rate him. I just wouldn't be bothering with the word of Hackdorn because Lobb is as much a ruckman as Jenkins, Wright, Boyd, McKay x 2 and Moore.

He's just a next gen super tall KPF if he gets into the Fremantle system he'll become the player they always hoped Clark would become under Sandi.
Actually does ruck. Primarily a forward but when up against a side like Geelong who have two mobile rucks he is used in that capacity.
 

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The suggestion is Marchbank and Stewart for 5. GWS would probably want to trade a 2nd round rather than give up any of their firsts. But who knows.

But as you say, getting into the first round is more about setting up for a big play next year with 2 first rounds.
Aside from spitballing on Membrey yesterday this is the move that interests me most and its the one DaVe86 has been running with. I'm personally not keen on Lynch/ Wright in the slightest because the currency won't justify the benefits to the team because the game is moving away from two main men KPF's for mine. All we'd end up doing is bringing in one and removing one of Moore's key strengths in his ability to isolate his man deep I50.

For me an ideal lead into the 2017 off-season from here would be:

1. Procure a 2017 1st rounder that winds up top 10.
2. Target relatively priced goalkickers this off-season regardless of role.
3. The FD gets there shit together pulling us into the 8.
4. Trade out that top 10 2017 pick for a secondary top line mid (spitballing here so say Cunnington, Gibbs or Gaff).
5. Attack Duncan and Pittard as a FA's

If you lead into 2018 with say Gaff sliding into the midfield in place of Steele who moves to a HFF, add Pittard to compliment an improved Ramsay and Scharenberg plus Moore/ De Goey entering their 4th seasons its reason to be optimistic.

A LOT would hinge on point three, but its the best way forward for mine.
 

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Aside from spitballing on Membrey yesterday this is the move that interests me most and its the one DaVe86 has been running with. I'm personally not keen on Lynch/ Wright in the slightest because the currency won't justify the benefits to the team because the game is moving away from two main men KPF's for mine. All we'd end up doing is bringing in one and removing one of Moore's key strengths in his ability to isolate his man deep I50.

For me an ideal lead into the 2017 off-season from here would be:

1. Procure a 2017 1st rounder that winds up top 10.
2. Target relatively priced goalkickers this off-season regardless of role.
3. The FD gets there shit together pulling us into the 8.
4. Trade out that top 10 2017 pick for a secondary top line mid (spitballing here so say Cunnington, Gibbs or Gaff).
5. Attack Duncan and Pittard as a FA's

If you lead into 2018 with say Gaff sliding into the midfield in place of Steele who moves to a HFF, add Pittard to compliment an improved Ramsay and Scharenberg plus Moore/ De Goey entering their 4th seasons its reason to be optimistic.

A LOT would hinge on point three, but its the best way forward for mine.
What do you mean by point 2? Do you mean reasonably priced? Who would be your target? Membrey? Anyone else?
 

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In the years 2009 to and including 2012, I'm not sure whose spot he would have taken. My Bulldogs mates used to bag the crap out of him during their lean years. They're loving him now but there is always a 'but'.
He wouldn't have lasted with us beyond 2011, IMO. In 09 we would have had the likes of O'Bree and Lockyer ahead of him plus Steele and Beamer coming through. Then we bring Ball in the very next off-season...

In theory it sounds great, but fighting his way off the rookie list with blokes ahead of him in the most dominant team we've had in 80+ years would have been very difficult.
 

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As does Jenkins, Wright and Boyd. The thing is it isn't their natural role.
Lobb would make a great White replacement for us (pure fantasy of course). The productive, mobile 2nd talls that can take a turn in the ruck are hard to find. So many shit ones out there. Lobb and McCarthy would be huge for Freo.
 

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Ok:rolleyes: well worth appointing gubby Allen then!
Perhaps you don't appreciate how disfunctional the club is atm. I've wavered on Buckley as a coach. Some weeks we're great and then we're beaten by crap teams. I never had any inside "mail" until recently. My opinion is pretty clear now. There is too much infighting and I can't see it changing until bucks goes.
 

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What do you mean by point 2? Do you mean reasonably priced? Who would be your target? Membrey? Anyone else?
Darling, Membrey, Sicily (ugh), Reid and Allsop (RD) all offer something to me. From there you look at what each club would consider reasonable.

I look at WCE interest in Lobb and think to myself that he isn't a ruckman so that makes Darling gettable. Membrey still unsigned (not confirmed yet though) for a late first is great, IMO. Sicily in the second round gets my tick of approval because despite my doubts he's fantastic overhead for his size (engine being my main doubt). Reid the great unkown, but I loved his end to 2015 so with a pick post 30 its a yes please (Buddy deal starting to hurt, IMO). Allsop loves a goal by all reports, but my lack of exposure on 2016 draftees means I'd be digressing to the likes of VV, Snoop and Knighta.

Even without going into tremendous detail I can name 5 blokes that wouldn't be beyond us and would be upgrades on you know who. I also think its one of Crocker's better assets so development time in him would be great. Then we have Broomhead whogoes at a goal a game despite being constantly in and out. Whilst the last two aren't targets they should be ways we target an uplift in our goalscoring, IMO.
 
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