List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016 Part 3

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Swap De Goey for him.

Lets face it. De Goey isn't going to get any midfield time ahead of Pendlebury, Treloar, Sidebottom, Adams, Wells, Greenwood and Crisp. Even Wills got more time in midfield than De Goey.

I don't see the point in trying to convert a pure mid in De Goey in playing as a small forward.
Moving De Goey is not an option.
Lets face it he is going to be a better footballer than Crisp and Greenwood at the very least and miles ahead of Wills.
 

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I didn't say it did. My only comment was that your logic was flawed when you posted that he was average when he had standout games and didn't specify a number. For instance I assumed by that comment you were a VFL watcher, but when you followed up with him having two standout matches I was obviously wrong.
His standout games were average. He had average standout games.
 

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Really it's impossible to speculate on too much yet, however it's worth remembering that we'll likely have up to 3 second round picks to play with and Frost post the Witts deal. The hurdle is more Brisbane being open to the trade which we won't know for at least a further 48 hrs.

FWIW 2017 picks may hold the key. If we can trade two of our second rounders into a 1st roumd pick this year (say Bulldogs or Sydney) it opens up our ability to trade that 2027 1st round pick.
We would want to keep our 2017 first rounder.
It gives us flexibility.
 

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I didn't say it did. My only comment was that your logic was flawed when you posted that he was average when he had standout games and didn't specify a number. For instance I assumed by that comment you were a VFL watcher, but when you followed up with him having two standout matches I was obviously wrong.
And when you consider the 2 VFL standout games really doesn't mean much compared to what is requires at AFL level, its staggering that he is even suggested as an AFL option. Especially that Howe, Langdon, Marsh and Goldsack is ahead of him as the 3rd tall back and he never had the mobility to be a small defender in the Smith / Sinclair / Maynard / Ramsay mould.
 

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We would want to keep our 2017 first rounder.
It gives us flexibility.
The sort of flexibility Rockliff offers? Not for mine and trading it out doesn't preclude us from trading another one back in because we'll have a 2018 2nd round pick to play with and its a given we'll leak players.
 

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Because it's not as simple as just picking a player and getting him.

Firstly the players has to actually want to come to you.

Secondly, the players you mentioned are all contracted (Riewoldt has 3 year). That means you need to trade. These guys all cost first rounders, if not multiple first rounders. That makes it tough for us considering this year we don't have a first rounder, and can't trade next years one either since we have to take 2 first rounders over a 4 year period.

Thirdly, the players mooted to be coming to us will be through Free Agency which will not require trading. I'm confident that the contracts will be manipulated in such a way that their salaries will not put us under any pressure long term to recruit a guy like Wright if we want next year.
Will be interesting how our recruiting strategy plays out over the next 3-4 years and whether bringing in mayne (if it happens) and Wells pays off given the obvious injury risk in bringing in older players.
Why stop with those guys? I reckon we should bring in Rance and D Talia for our defence, both Josh Kennedys, Bontempelli and also Betts to fix our crumbling problem.

The fact that the club just seems to refuse to do this shows they should all be sacked.
Oh. I forgot to add fyfe, dangerfield and franklin.
Geez you guys are smartarses
 

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Moving De Goey is not an option.
Lets face it he is going to be a better footballer than Crisp and Greenwood at the very least and miles ahead of Wills.
That's probably true. But how is he going to improve and become better than Crisp and Greenwood when he forced to play half forward, because Bucks doesn't trust him in the midfield.
 

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Smith is nowhere near significant enough..... While Rockliff has some pretty severe attitude problems, the kid is an absolute gun midfielder who we'd need to pay $600-800k per year if we want him. He's also arguably their best midfielder and captain.... So imagine if somebody offered us pick #22ish + Smith for Pendlebury.
Comparing Rockliff to Pendlebury is just embarrassing. Have a good hard look at yourself.
 

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That's probably true. But how is he going to improve and become better than Crisp and Greenwood when he forced to play half forward, because Bucks doesn't trust him in the midfield.
Plenty of Collingwood champion midfielders have had to cut their teeth in other positions before getting their shot. Some longer than others. I'd rather he add to his forward game now and eventually become a goal kicking midfielder rather than sticking him in the middle now, and not having as much impact there when needed.
 
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That's probably true. But how is he going to improve and become better than Crisp and Greenwood when he forced to play half forward, because Bucks doesn't trust him in the midfield.
He isn't forced, He's a 20 year old still developing for god sake. He'll be playing more midfield next year.
 

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Can see DeGoey asking for trade at end of 2017 citing lack of midfield opportunities if Rockliff was to come to pies.
I rate DeGoey highly but his centre square time will be very limited with our midfield spread of talent
Does anyone know how long he is contracted for?
If only to end of 2017 a real concern
 

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That's probably true. But how is he going to improve and become better than Crisp and Greenwood when he forced to play half forward, because Bucks doesn't trust him in the midfield.
He's a second year player entering his third.
He will get the minutes in time.
 

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I reckon it would have to be delivered as it states on the contract.
As per contract is how the cap would be counted.
I'm not certain but assume that any given year in a contract must meet some sort of min yearly payment.
So not to put too a fine point on to it, but I think $0 in a given year wouldn't be allowed?
 
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