Review Comeback Cats def Freo by 10

[geelong_crazy26]

Maybe. He didn't give anything strategic away, rather complimentary (with Hawk) to Scott's demeanor when the media were gagging to make more of it. Trying to make Scott look emotive and nasty. Pretty obvious that defenders were down, and they all had to address it, it was the manner in the way Bucks was consulted that he was defending.

Scotty is the AFL’s best master tactician and from reading between the lines it sounds like the way the players were setting up position wise defensively across the field he tweaked and adjusted.

You could see probably the biggest change after quarter time was we positioned defensively strong across the midfield when they tried to slingshot it out and we pressured and forced turnovers. Where as the first quarter they got on their bikes and transitioned way too easily thru the middle of the ground without any pressure.

 

[Mattttty]

Can't say I disagree. It seems we live in a time where you can't offend anyone, but if I'm brutally honest I really only want to hear from people who have played the men's game at the highest level and preferably, in more recent times. Caro seems to be well beyond her best - as has been the case for many male commentators or journos.

I think it's great that the AFLW was developed as an outlier to the men's game, but from a commentary perspective, I just don't enjoy hearing women commentate on the men's game. I know people will use the Dennis Cometti or Bruce McAvaney argument, and it's a fair point, but just a personal thing that I'm not sure women in commentary on the men's game is universally loved. I have a niece who hates women commentating on the men's game. And before people get wound up and easily offended....... yes I know women make up 50% of the population and it's 2026 and we're all woke do gooders who have to toe the line.

Just a personal opinion and not intended to offend.

I reckon there should be room for commentators of all backgrounds and perspectives. If they're good at the job, they're good at the job.

Having ex-players is nice. Some of them have a gift for it. Others are clearly a bit limited and benefit from being balanced out by professional broadcasters like Whateley, Hudson, Clinton Grybas, Cometti and McAvaney and so on. Some of the very best commentators never played the game.

ps. You do your post a disservice with the 'woke do gooder' stuff. It suggests that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow coming from an insincere place - or is just toeing a line. If you really think that, it isn't so much offensive, it just suggests you haven't thought very hard about the point you're raising as you don't truly understand the alternative view well enough to make yours without the 'woke' noise.

 

[thegerman]

I reckon there should be room for commentators of all backgrounds and perspectives. If they're good at the job, they're good at the job.

Having ex-players is nice. Some of them have a gift for it. Others are clearly a bit limited and benefit from being balanced out by professional broadcasters like Whateley, Hudson, Clinton Grybas, Cometti and McAvaney and so on. Some of the very best commentators never played the game.

ps. You do your post a disservice with the 'woke do gooder' stuff. It suggests that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow coming from an insincere place - or is just toeing a line. If you really think that, it isn't so much offensive, it just suggests you haven't thought very hard about the point you're raising as you don't truly understand the alternative view well enough to make yours without the 'woke' noise.

I tend to say a certain point when people use ‘woke’.

I won’t say it here as I will offend.

 

[Play it Sam]

Like other key players who will need to be managed during the season, Danger being the obvious, young Mitch Edwards will also need to be given some balance as to when he plays and for how long he plays when he is selected. Having just re-watched the second qtr, his first spell, being the first 10 mins after qtr time, was as good as anything we've seen since Stanley at his best imo. You could argue that he had Darcy only during this time but as they say, you can only beat who you're against. No doubt all Cats lifted their intensity after the qtr time bake from Scott, but Edwards' dominance allowed the Dash Brothers and Miers to kick in to gear and in turn Managh and Cameron. Great signs from the young bloke and should give us some optimism that finally, we might be seeing the emergence of our next generational ruckman.

Good post. Except (for next time) the bolded looks like you're yelling at us.

 

[cats_09]

For those wanting to discuss politics, take it to the Scratching Post or the SRP thread

Society, Religion and Politics

A board for grown-ups.

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[dudusmaximus]

I tend to say a certain point when people use ‘woke’.

I won’t say it here as I will offend.

DM me that point, if you're fine with it. Likewise, I hate how woke is being used as a slur.

 

[Pollywaffle]

DM me that point, if you're fine with it. Likewise, I hate how woke is being used as a slur.

It is also grammatically painful on the ears

 

[iameviljez]

I reckon there should be room for commentators of all backgrounds and perspectives. If they're good at the job, they're good at the job.

Completely agree.

Tim Lane, Anthony Hudson, Bruce McAveney, Clinton Grybas, Dennis Cometti - none of them ever played VFL /AFL football, and Cometti I believe was the only one who even played WAFL/SANFL. All of them are excellent commentators.

I think we are also at a place now where you don't need to have played top-level football to even be a coach, let alone a commentator. I mean, Chris Fagan played TFL in the 1980s and he's now a back-to-back premiership winner.

If you can provide insight and string a sentence together, then that's good enough for me. I don't care whether you've played 0 games of AFL or 432 of them. For what it's worth, I get a lot more out of Daisy Pearce in the Special Comments seat than I ever have out of, say, Mark McLure.

 

[catters_28]

Can't say I disagree. It seems we live in a time where you can't offend anyone, but if I'm brutally honest I really only want to hear from people who have played the men's game at the highest level and preferably, in more recent times. Caro seems to be well beyond her best - as has been the case for many male commentators or journos.

I think it's great that the AFLW was developed as an outlier to the men's game, but from a commentary perspective, I just don't enjoy hearing women commentate on the men's game. I know people will use the Dennis Cometti or Bruce McAvaney argument, and it's a fair point, but just a personal thing that I'm not sure women in commentary on the men's game is universally loved. I have a niece who hates women commentating on the men's game. And before people get wound up and easily offended....... yes I know women make up 50% of the population and it's 2026 and we're all woke do gooders who have to toe the line.

Just a personal opinion and not intended to offend.

Where do you draw the line here though? I'm a 30 year old woman, should I stop giving my thoughts on the men's game on Big Footy?

 

[Mattttty]

Completely agree.

Tim Lane, Anthony Hudson, Bruce McAveney, Clinton Grybas, Dennis Cometti - none of them ever played VFL /AFL football, and Cometti I believe was the only one who even played WAFL/SANFL. All of them are excellent commentators.

I think we are also at a place now where you don't need to have played top-level football to even be a coach, let alone a commentator. I mean, Chris Fagan played TFL and he's now a back-to-back premiership winner.

If you can provide insight and string a sentence together, then that's good enough for me. I don't care whether you've played 0 games of AFL or 432 of them. For what it's worth, I get a lot more out of Daisy Pearce in the Special Comments seat than I ever have out of, say, Mark McLure.

Love this. And Daisy is a great example. Learned so much about the game from her.

 

[Mattttty]

Where do you draw the line here though? I'm a 30 year old woman, should I stop giving my thoughts on the men's game on Big Footy?

Great question. Please don't. Glad you're here!

 

[cats_09]

Where do you draw the line here though? I'm a 30 year old woman, should I stop giving my thoughts on the men's game on Big Footy?

I reckon it would surprise a lot on BF if they learnt or woke up to just how many women are regular contributors here

With the anonymity afforded by the open choice of usernames, many seem happy conversing and discussing footy with others based in the pre-conceived (incorrect) idea that the vast majority are men

I know growing up, that if you wanted to talk footy with someone in my household that it wasn't going to be my older brother - he'd be the one coming to me asking what was happening. To anyone who knew my dad, there's no doubt that I'm his daughter with how much sport has influenced my life - football in the winter, cricket in the summer and then the sports I discovered on my own

In regards to AFL commentary, we saw this on Sunday - Jess is 36 and been working in the industry for 17 years around Australia. She's been calling games on the ABC & Triple M before getting the gig with Fox Footy, and the a quick look at comments shows it to be a very well received move

 

[GlenMiddlemissed]

Where do you draw the line here though? I'm a 30 year old woman, should I stop giving my thoughts on the men's game on Big Footy?

No!
I was going to give your post a like or love, but then I thought that people might think I was agreeing that you should stop, which I am not ofc

 

[iameviljez]

In regards to AFL commentary, we saw this on Sunday - Jess is 36 and been working in the industry for 17 years around Australia. She's been calling games on the ABC & Triple M before getting the gig with Fox Footy, and the a quick look at comments shows it to be a very well received move

The one who really kicked the door open for me was Isa Guha on the cricket.

She, and Harsha Bogle, are the two commentators I really look forward to hearing when their teams tour Australia.

 

[iameviljez]

but just a personal thing that I'm not sure women in commentary on the men's game is universally loved

You're absolutely correct in that there is a significant portion of the audience who don't like it - but, that said, I don't think men commentating on the men's game is universally loved either

I don't think there's a single commentary dream team you could put together and get assent from more than 66% of the footy-watching population.

 

[cats_09]

Where do you draw the line here though? I'm a 30 year old woman, should I stop giving my thoughts on the men's game on Big Footy?

And please don't leave

My reaction is regarding the first part of your post - def don't want you to stop contributing

 

[cats_09]

The one who really kicked the door open for me was Isa Guha on the cricket.

She, and Harsha Bogle, are the two commentators I really look forward to hearing when their teams tour Australia.

Isa is great to listen to

And Alyssa Healy is one who was well received over summer when in the commentary box - both her and Mitch come across as very natural with their commentary and understanding that you don't need to talk just for the sake of it

 

[thegerman]

DM me that point, if you're fine with it. Likewise, I hate how woke is being used as a slur.

We don’t need to go that far, however, stolen from a meme “in qualitative case controlled studies, those that use the term woke, are generally w***ers. Don’t argue with me, it’s just science”.

Just didn’t want to lead with a reply with that.

The case of anonymity and socially media allows people to not fear repercussions of their outdated beliefs. We’ve come from cave men, still have some living around us

 

[iameviljez]

Caro is an observer, not a game day commentator- that gig was ruined for women by one totally inappropriate caller who was quickly dropped.

One of those things that really annoys me about this - if a female commentator is poorly received, then she is held up as living proof that she only got the job as a diversity hire, she is held up as a representative standard for all female commentators etc. But when a male commentator is poorly received, he's just a crap commentator.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Basil Zempilas , a great friend of late D Cometti , and co commentator with him

When DC passed away , they asked what was the best tip DC gave to him re , commentating ,and he said - Let the game come to you , dont go grandstanding , but let the game come to you .

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Basil Zempilas , a great friend of late D Cometti , and co commentator with him

When DC passed away , they asked what was the best tip DC gave to him re , commentating ,and he said - Let the game come to you , dont go grandstanding , but let the game come to you .

Sounds eerily like Benaud.

 

[Jumping Jack]

I tend to say a certain point when people use ‘woke’.

I won’t say it here as I

We don’t need to go that far, however, stolen from a meme “in qualitative case controlled studies, those that use the term woke, are generally w***ers. Don’t argue with me, it’s just science”.

Just didn’t want to lead with a reply with that.

The case of anonymity and socially media allows people to not fear repercussions of their outdated beliefs. We’ve come from cave men, still have some living around us

Some interesting discussion on this but I think a few have taken the points raised and just taken off in a direction driven largely by emotion and self interest. I think there's some great female voices in the industry who play an important role and help represent 50% of the population very effectively. My standing point though, and the basis for what I said, was that I PERSONALLY don't enjoy females commentating the matches - as distinct from making comments on the game.

Two vastly different things there.

As for your point above referencing "outdated beliefs" and "cave men" ... therein lies the paradox. I was quite clear that I respect other peoples opinions regardless of agreeing with them or not. You've shown you're true colors by ridiculing and being degrading about the fact someone has different opinions than yours.

Surely that's counter intuitive to your argument isn't it?

 

[catempire]

 

[you pick one]

Guess I'm a cave man to I don't particularly enjoy females commentating the matches either.

 

[iameviljez]

Guess I'm a cave man to I don't particularly enjoy females commentating the matches either.

Look, it's not great. Apply that kind of statement to almost any other male-dominated profession and it sounds like the kind of mid-20th century sexism that we refloat nowadays to laugh at.