Opinion Cometh the hour…

[The Dawes]

we'd be taking a strength and turning it into a weakness.

No thank you.

 

[thebaldfacts]

St.kilda not overly tall up forward, so let Frampton do the ruck and McStay back forward.
Darcy definitely stays down back.

 

[#23 Hill]

If Krueger and Frampton could stand-up in defense I'd play Darcy at CHF.

 

[gouki88]

Just trying to think of another topline current ruckman with Moore's somatotype. His game is all about speed and athleticism but the "Centre Circle" and the "line across the middle" have robbed tall athletic rucks of their natural advantage (a run up). Think of his dad, think of Mark Lee and Jeff White, the time of the long run up and the enormous leap has gone. The circle and the line have bred strong, bullocking ruckmen who stand under the contest and protect their mids space. Moore would have his athleticism stymied at boundary throw ins as well because as Mason Cox pointed out in his podcast this morning, the bullocks engage even before the ball is thrown in.

Putting the skipper in the ruck would be giving oppo teams the chance to crush him within the rules.

Paddy Ryder did alright as an undersized athletic ruck

 

[jonbe54]

If Krueger and Frampton could stand-up in defense I'd play Darcy at CHF.

It's not like he hasn't been tried before on the forward line.

VERY unconvinced at this point in his career, it's one thing hitting a target upfield but quite another putting the pill through the big sticks.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Paddy Ryder did alright as an undersized athletic ruck

Ryder was drafted 18 years ago. Talls have gotten significantly taller in that time.

 

[Apex36]

If we were to move Moore then it's FWD not Ruck.
He could be elite as a KPF, now that he's no longer the scrawny kid who played there previously.

I’d back him to be the only ruckman capable of winning a Brownlow in the league if he moved in there, but I don’t trust his hamstrings, and he’s already very carefully managed, so it’s a hard no from me.

 

[sr36]

Just trying to think of another topline current ruckman with Moore's somatotype. His game is all about speed and athleticism but the "Centre Circle" and the "line across the middle" have robbed tall athletic rucks of their natural advantage (a run up). Think of his dad, think of Mark Lee and Jeff White, the time of the long run up and the enormous leap has gone. The circle and the line have bred strong, bullocking ruckmen who stand under the contest and protect their mids space. Moore would have his athleticism stymied at boundary throw ins as well because as Mason Cox pointed out in his podcast this morning, the bullocks engage even before the ball is thrown in.

Putting the skipper in the ruck would be giving oppo teams the chance to crush him within the rules.

Rather than it being about the circle advantaging the bullocks, I think it's simply that ruck is no longer considered as important as it once was. The fantastic ruck prospects with agility and athleticism who are strong in the air play forward or back, as those roles are considered more important. In today's game, if you can play forward like Peter Moore could, you're not getting shifted into the ruck. And his son who is such an incredible defender sure as hell won't either.

 

[Markfs]

i'd like to see pete frampton get a chance to get a long term injury in the ruck before darcy....then i'd like see will kelly

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Will Kelly

Age

23

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

2star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

MG

108.0

2star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

MG

108.0

2star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

2star

HB

1.0

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

108.0

2star

get a go in the ruck. I know he might be undersized but I think he would appreciate being in the game all the time.

 

[gouki88]

Ryder was drafted 18 years ago. Talls have gotten significantly taller in that time.

Sure. And Darcy Moore is a relatively slender 203cms, so players of his size and dimensions ought to be fine.

To argue that there are no athletic ruckmen around is just silliness.

 

[Robroy22]

Paddy Ryder did alright as an undersized athletic ruck

Paddy Ryder always played as a ruckman, juniors through to seniors. Moore is a key defender, Ryder was a ruckman.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Paddy Ryder always played as a ruckman, juniors through to seniors. Moore is a key defender, Ryder was a ruckman.

Moore was a CHF, Kicked a couple in a winning GF team for the Oakleigh Chargers.

Yes we are needing him as a defender now. If someone capable comes along we can swing him to CHF once again.
We wouldn't need to splurge big bucks on a Ben King.

I'd rather try and get Toby Greene or someone similar.
Another defender as well.

 

[Robroy22]

Sure. And Darcy Moore is a relatively slender 203cms, so players of his size and dimensions ought to be fine.

To argue that there are no athletic ruckmen around is just silliness.

Adelaide	R. O’Brien (Bullock)	Tilthorpe (Key Forward)
Carlton	Pittonet (Bullock)	T. DeKonning (Athlete)
Freo	Darcy (Bullock)	Jackson (Athlete)
GCS	Moyle (Bullock)	Chol (Forward)	Witts (Bullock) is the number 1 ruckman
Richmond	Ryan (Beanpole kid)	Miller (Key defender)	Nankervis (Bullock) is the number 1 ruck	Soldo (Bullock) is the backup ruck
Brisbane	McInerney (Beanpole Bullock)	Fort (Bullock)
North M	Goldstein (All round ruckman)	Comben / Larkey (KPF’s)
Essendon	Draper (Fast Aggressive Bullock)	Phillips (Bullock)
Melb	Grundy (Aerobic Bullock)	Gawn (All round ruckman) is the number 1 ruckman
Port	Lycett (Bullock)	Dixon (Clapped out key forward)
Bulldogs	English (Athlete who usually gets smashed by aggressive Bullocks)	Lobb (A not too efficient key forward who is ruckman sized but rarely plays like one)
West Coast	Barnett (Athletic Bullock)	Natinui (Often injured Tap ruckman)
Geelong	Stanley (Athlete?)	Ceglar (Bullock journeyman)
GWS	Preuss (Bullock)	Briggs (bullock)
Hawthorn	Reeves (Super tall)	Meek (Bullock)
Pies	Frampton (Key Defender)	Johnson (Forward utility)	Cameron (Bullock)	Cox (super tall Fwd)
StKilda	Marshall (Smart Bullock)	Campbell (Journeyman Bullock)

Lottsa slow, strong hulking ruckman there, not many 400m runners built like Darcy Moore.

 

[gouki88]

Adelaide	R. O’Brien (Bullock)	Tilthorpe (Key Forward)
Carlton	Pittonet (Bullock)	T. DeKonning (Athlete)
Freo	Darcy (Bullock)	Jackson (Athlete)
GCS	Moyle (Bullock)	Chol (Forward)	Witts (Bullock) is the number 1 ruckman
Richmond	Ryan (Beanpole kid)	Miller (Key defender)	Nankervis (Bullock) is the number 1 ruck	Soldo (Bullock) is the backup ruck
Brisbane	McInerney (Beanpole Bullock)	Fort (Bullock)
North M	Goldstein (All round ruckman)	Comben / Larkey (KPF’s)
Essendon	Draper (Fast Aggressive Bullock)	Phillips (Bullock)
Melb	Grundy (Aerobic Bullock)	Gawn (All round ruckman) is the number 1 ruckman
Port	Lycett (Bullock)	Dixon (Clapped out key forward)
Bulldogs	English (Athlete who usually gets smashed by aggressive Bullocks)	Lobb (A not too efficient key forward who is ruckman sized but rarely plays like one)
West Coast	Barnett (Athletic Bullock)	Natinui (Often injured Tap ruckman)
Geelong	Stanley (Athlete?)	Ceglar (Bullock journeyman)
GWS	Preuss (Bullock)	Briggs (bullock)
Hawthorn	Reeves (Super tall)	Meek (Bullock)
Pies	Frampton (Key Defender)	Johnson (Forward utility)	Cameron (Bullock)	Cox (super tall Fwd)
StKilda	Marshall (Smart Bullock)	Campbell (Journeyman Bullock)

Lottsa slow, strong hulking ruckman there, not many 400m runners built like Darcy Moore.

And there never were lots of Darcy Moore-like ruckmen

 

[jmac70]

Adelaide	R. O’Brien (Bullock)	Tilthorpe (Key Forward)
Carlton	Pittonet (Bullock)	T. DeKonning (Athlete)
Freo	Darcy (Bullock)	Jackson (Athlete)
GCS	Moyle (Bullock)	Chol (Forward)	Witts (Bullock) is the number 1 ruckman
Richmond	Ryan (Beanpole kid)	Miller (Key defender)	Nankervis (Bullock) is the number 1 ruck	Soldo (Bullock) is the backup ruck
Brisbane	McInerney (Beanpole Bullock)	Fort (Bullock)
North M	Goldstein (All round ruckman)	Comben / Larkey (KPF’s)
Essendon	Draper (Fast Aggressive Bullock)	Phillips (Bullock)
Melb	Grundy (Aerobic Bullock)	Gawn (All round ruckman) is the number 1 ruckman
Port	Lycett (Bullock)	Dixon (Clapped out key forward)
Bulldogs	English (Athlete who usually gets smashed by aggressive Bullocks)	Lobb (A not too efficient key forward who is ruckman sized but rarely plays like one)
West Coast	Barnett (Athletic Bullock)	Natinui (Often injured Tap ruckman)
Geelong	Stanley (Athlete?)	Ceglar (Bullock journeyman)
GWS	Preuss (Bullock)	Briggs (bullock)
Hawthorn	Reeves (Super tall)	Meek (Bullock)
Pies	Frampton (Key Defender)	Johnson (Forward utility)	Cameron (Bullock)	Cox (super tall Fwd)
StKilda	Marshall (Smart Bullock)	Campbell (Journeyman Bullock)

Lottsa slow, strong hulking ruckman there, not many 400m runners built like Darcy Moore.

Sometimes, flags are won by a team that goes against the trend.