Cometti Complete Fool

[greenred]

Agreed esti, though I would argue our very good picks completely overshadow our poor ones. The problem we are talking about above, is Freo's poor 'discardings' have had a higher profile than the ones that continued to be rubbish after leaving.

But in reality those examples are all a fair way into the past, and recruiting /getting rid of players as a whole has improved several times over in the last 2-3 years.

Because of fools like Cometti who think they're utterly hilarious continually harping on the same irrelevant points.

 

[el jefe]

Just wait till he commentates Geelong and Drum gets the ball.

 

[Nodgey]

It's obvious that we will only see an end to these sorts of comments/insults when we win the flag. Then and only then. Hell, probably not even then TBH...

But I'll throw some names out there for debate:

Matt Clape: eagle reject blossoms into Carlton premiership player 1995
Dean Laidley: eagle reject turns career around at North Melb, winning a premiership 1996, then going on to coach at AFL level.
Matthew Connell: eagle reject becomes Adelaide premiership player 1997,98
Jason Heatley: eagle reject plays at FF in that St Kilda 97 GF loss to Adelaide
Fraser Gehrig: eagle reject stars for St Kilda winning multiple Coleman medals.
Jason Ball: much maligned eagle reject (played out of position at FF) turns career around in Sydney winning a premiership in 2005.

Have I missed any more in this 10 year period from 1995-2005?

Now you can argue that the eagles were a successful side during this period, playing in multiple finals series, and that these blokes were therefore not much of a loss.

But one could also argue that they made massive mistakes in underrating these clearly talented players, and just throwing them on the scrap heap.

I mischievously suggest that if the eagles had kept these players (a talented half forward, a gutsy half back, a solid mid, 2 quality KPFs plus a solid ruckman) then maybe, just maybe, West Coast would have been far more successful during that period.

They must be furious with themselves - they're like an ATM for premiership players....


Dennis Commetti is an overblown clown who has become an awkward caricature of himself. He should stick to just calling the footy, rather than trying to be a comedian. It's embarrassing. For all of us.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

It's obvious that we will only see an end to these sorts of comments/insults when we win the flag. Then and only then. Hell, probably not even then TBH...

But I'll throw some names out there for debate:

Matt Clape: eagle reject blossoms into Carlton premiership player 1995
Dean Laidley: eagle reject turns career around at North Melb, winning a premiership 1996, then going on to coach at AFL level.
Matthew Connell: eagle reject becomes Adelaide premiership player 1997,98
Jason Heatley: eagle reject plays at FF in that St Kilda 97 GF loss to Adelaide
Fraser Gehrig: eagle reject stars for St Kilda winning multiple Coleman medals.
Jason Ball: much maligned eagle reject (played out of position at FF) turns career around in Sydney winning a premiership in 2005.

Have I missed any more in this 10 year period from 1995-2005?

Now you can argue that the eagles were a successful side during this period, playing in multiple finals series, and that these blokes were therefore not much of a loss.

But one could also argue that they made massive mistakes in underrating these clearly talented players, and just throwing them on the scrap heap.

I mischievously suggest that if the eagles had kept these players (a talented half forward, a gutsy half back, a solid mid, 2 quality KPFs plus a solid ruckman) then maybe, just maybe, West Coast would have been far more successful during that period.

They must be furious with themselves - they're like an ATM for premiership players....


Dennis Commetti is an overblown clown who has become an awkward caricature of himself. He should stick to just calling the footy, rather than trying to be a comedian. It's embarrassing. For all of us.

the first part is gold

as for den... i think you have hit the nail on the head. i think he focuses way to much on trying to be funny, rather than on calling the footy. he has had some gold in the past (none better than the brian lake anagram) but he is now getting a reputation as a guy taking cheap shots rather than being a quality caller with a sense of humour

as for the eagles players leaving part of this post, im not going to enter that debate.... nobody loves having a go at the slime more than me, but i cant see that debate ending well for us

 

[The Night Shift]

Why don't commentators just call the match instead of being overly negative and whining like big girls about the game all the time extrapolating over their own bullshit??

 

[Nodgey]

as for the eagles players leaving part of this post, im not going to enter that debate.... nobody loves having a go at the slime more than me, but i cant see that debate ending well for us

Agreed. Yes, we've made errors - but I just want to point out it's not as one-sided as everyone makes out.

Why don't commentators just call the match instead of being overly negative and whining like big girls about the game all the time extrapolating over their own bullshit??

Exactly. This is an area where American sportscasters are very good. They call the action, they are knowledgeable and IMHO impartial. They don't take sly digs at struggling teams/players.

Australian callers somehow seem to find the need to question umpiring decisions, debate the merits of tactical moves and provide their editorial comment on the state of the game in general. This sort of stuff should be left to the writers and "experts" back in the studio (e.g. On The Couch).

When the game is on, just call the bloody game, stick to the facts and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches.

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

When the game is on, just call the bloody game, stick to the facts and give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches.

Strongly agree.

 

[estibador]

Exactly. This is an area where American sportscasters are very good. They call the action, they are knowledgeable and IMHO impartial. They don't take sly digs at struggling teams/players.

American commentators are so much more professional than ours it's not funny. A lot of it probably stems from the fact that most of them are actually (surprise, surprise) professional sportscasters instead of belonging to some old boys past players club.*

If you hire monkeys you end up with peanuts in the commentary box.


*That's still no excuse for Dennis though. IMO his problems started when he briefly switched to 7 and they pumped him up as some sort of superstar recruit. His head still hasn't deflated from all the smoke Eddie blew up his arse and he now thinks he's the star of the show, not the players.

 

[ballanFYNE]

Totally agree, he has to tune it down. Funny thing will come naturally to him occasionally. he doesn't have to try to be funny once every ten minutes.

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

American commentators are so much more professional than ours it's not funny. A lot of it probably stems from the fact that most of them are actually (surprise, surprise) professional sportscasters instead of belonging to some old boys past players club.*

If you hire monkeys you end up with peanuts in the commentary box.


*That's still no excuse for Dennis though. IMO his problems started when he briefly switched to 7 and they pumped him up as some sort of superstar recruit. His head still hasn't deflated from all the smoke Eddie blew up his arse and he now thinks he's the star of the show, not the players.

*cough* 9 *cough*

 

[estibador]

*cough* 9 *cough*

Whoops... yeah 9.

Everyone makes mistakes - like stalking the wrong girl from time to time hey GG

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

Whoops... yeah 9.

Everyone makes mistakes hey GG - like stalking the wrong girl from time to time

Little wonder she wouldn't respond when I called her Sarah.

 

[The Purple Sox]

Agreed. Yes, we've made errors - but I just want to point out it's not as one-sided as everyone makes out.

This is the heart of the matter.
Have some ex-fremantle players gone on to have good careers? yes.
That makes it tricky to argue when some clown says "what about all those players you threw away."
But the fact is that every club dumps players and some of them go on to be stars elsewhere.

The trouble for Freo is that we are perceived as the "clown" of the AFL.

This is a 'grand narrative', a story that is told by a group of people to explain certain facts.

Racism is built on the same theory.
We say that 'black people' are like animals. So we say 'isn't that black person really fast' or we talk about 'black magic', which proves that our theory is true and excuses us for treating them like animals.

So some people say, "Fremantle are a terrible football club".
and they say "they wasted this player" or "they lost this game they should have won", and that proves their theory
and excuses them for slagging us in the print media for 8 columns a week, 40 weeks a year.

The problem ends when another group spreads a more powerful narrative.
a few premierships would force the current hierarchy to adjust their "clown" story into a "underdog" story, but that just turns us into the shinboners and brings with it a whole other set of problems.

When, as a club, and a group of supporters, we say "We are a great team", and research the information to prove it, then make our stories of triumph more prominant that our stories of woe, then we can start to make change.

Know your club. Love your club. And be loud and proud.
It's that simple

Don't look at the ground when someone says you follow a group of losers, tell them proudly that you follow a team that doesn't take drugs or face rape charges.

Sorry for the long post, but I feel strongly about this.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

This is the heart of the matter.
Have some ex-fremantle players gone on to have good careers? yes.
That makes it tricky to argue when some clown says "what about all those players you threw away."
But the fact is that every club dumps players and some of them go on to be stars elsewhere.

The trouble for Freo is that we are perceived as the "clown" of the AFL.

This is a 'grand narrative', a story that is told by a group of people to explain certain facts.

Racism is built on the same theory.
We say that 'black people' are like animals. So we say 'isn't that black person really fast' or we talk about 'black magic', which proves that our theory is true and excuses us for treating them like animals.

So some people say, "Fremantle are a terrible football club".
and they say "they wasted this player" or "they lost this game they should have won", and that proves their theory
and excuses them for slagging us in the print media for 8 columns a week, 40 weeks a year.

The problem ends when another group spreads a more powerful narrative.
a few premierships would force the current hierarchy to adjust their "clown" story into a "underdog" story, but that just turns us into the shinboners and brings with it a whole other set of problems.

When, as a club, and a group of supporters, we say "We are a great team", and research the information to prove it, then make our stories of triumph more prominant that our stories of woe, then we can start to make change.

Know your club. Love your club. And be loud and proud.
It's that simple

Don't look at the ground when someone says you follow a group of losers, tell them proudly that you follow a team that doesn't take drugs or face rape charges.

Sorry for the long post, but I feel strongly about this.

you just earnt 100 respect points for that post. articulated perfectly

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

you just earnt 100 respect points for that post. articulated perfectly

+1..

 

[estibador]

a few premierships would force the current hierarchy to adjust their "clown" story into a "underdog" story, but that just turns us into the shinboners and brings with it a whole other set of problems.

I don't think we'll ever be seen as a 'shinboners underdog' type club.

With our level of finances, membership, and corporate support a few premierships should see us jump straight from the 'clown' to 'powerhouse' category.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I don't think we'll ever be seen as a 'shinboners underdog' type club.

With the level of finances, membership, and corporate support we've got a few premierships should see us jump straight from the 'clown' to 'powerhouse' category.

i think we could always be percieved as underdogs, purely for the fact that our ugly cousins down the road have been so successful and have always and will always be seen as the good son, while we have always been behind the 8 ball..... success will rid us of a lot of the bad press we are getting now.... but what happens after we are successful? if we have another 10 year lean spell, the media i think will revert back to their old west coast w***er ways.

the problem is that the western australian media has the west coast eagles ingrained in it. while success for us will help reduce the criticism and may even generate positive press, i cant help but feel that they will be waiting to jump on our backs again as soon as possible, because deep down they dont WANT us to be successful..... what we need is some high profile fremantle people in the media to help present OUR case, and to defend us a little, because right now it is all one way. the only media person i see who could possibly be seen as not against us is mark duffield, even then i think it is only because of paul. our media representation hasnt happened yet, id say pav would be perfect for that role, but im kinda hoping that he will turn to coaching us at some point..... who this person will be im not sure

 

[estibador]

I'm sure there will be a generational change with the WA media eventually as more of our ex-players take up media roles and a new generation of sportswriters come through, some of whom would have grown up as Freo supporters.

It's going to take time but I don't think it will always be as bad as it is now.

 

[The Purple Sox]

I don't think we'll ever be seen as a 'shinboners underdog' type club.

With our level of finances, membership, and corporate support a few premierships should see us jump straight from the 'clown' to 'powerhouse' category.

I hope you're right.
the examples of Geelong and St Kilda, two clubs that wen't for a long time without success, are encouraging.
But it's depressing to think that we would have to be as good as Geelong are now to earn a basic level of respect.

 

[el jefe]

As a supporter base I think we get too carried away with the media. I'm personally not really phased by what they say like I used to be.

tbh I think the media landscape in Perth has improved a lot over the last 2 years. Obviously not enough for some, but I think we should lose the chip on our shoulder about it, because it only feeds the machine.

 

[E Shed]

As a supporter base I think we get too carried away with the media. I'm personally not really phased by what they say like I used to be.

tbh I think the media landscape in Perth has improved a lot over the last 2 years. Obviously not enough for some, but I think we should lose the chip on our shoulder about it, because it only feeds the machine.

I agree. The West particularly has run far more positive than negative stories of late. Ignore the bad stuff and hold your head high.

 

[ballanFYNE]

i think we could always be percieved as underdogs, purely for the fact that our ugly cousins down the road have been so successful and have always and will always be seen as the good son, while we have always been behind the 8 ball..... success will rid us of a lot of the bad press we are getting now.... but what happens after we are successful? if we have another 10 year lean spell, the media i think will revert back to their old west coast w***er ways.

the problem is that the western australian media has the west coast eagles ingrained in it. while success for us will help reduce the criticism and may even generate positive press, i cant help but feel that they will be waiting to jump on our backs again as soon as possible, because deep down they dont WANT us to be successful..... what we need is some high profile fremantle people in the media to help present OUR case, and to defend us a little, because right now it is all one way. the only media person i see who could possibly be seen as not against us is mark duffield, even then i think it is only because of paul. our media representation hasnt happened yet, id say pav would be perfect for that role, but im kinda hoping that he will turn to coaching us at some point..... who this person will be im not sure

I am not quite in uni yet, but i am studying journalism.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I agree. The West particularly has run far more positive than negative stories of late. Ignore the bad stuff and hold your head high.

i dont know about that. every hagdorn article is written with a criticsm here or a rumour that a player is going to leave there... i dont call that positive, and he writes a lot of articles

 

[Chops_a_must]

We tried to play Clement as a full forward, Malthouse turned him into a backman and made him a star.

We still played him back more than forward though. But we did swing him around too much, never really gave him a chance to make a position his own.

Clement was always a star though.

He was a gun young player for us and iirc which I usually do, Sheedy labelled him as the next 100 goal a year forward. But as is the way when Freo has a gun, they play in every position, not just one. And his drop in form, was purely a falling out with a Drum.

I'm going to go down to the bay, make things out of clay...

 

[Dormammu]

you just earnt 100 respect points for that post. articulated perfectly

+2

I wonder how the club deals with it internally, especially with new recruits?