Opinion Comfortable games

[This Is Anfield]

Five goals is reasonably comfortable, holding teams to five goals is outstanding.

 

[TigerImposter]

Low scoring teams are always a chance of being opened up and exploited leading to heavy scores kicked against them
We are in this basket bc we depend heavily on our backline shutting down teams. This backfires if our mids are shut down
I can picture us finishing fifth and North finishing eighth and
de Ja vu all over again.
DH and co better work out a better method /team of scoring over 80 pts a game bc I'm not convinced still

 

[Squibbs]

Low scoring teams are always a chance of being opened up and exploited leading to heavy scores kicked against them
We are in this basket bc we depend heavily on our backline shutting down teams. This backfires if our mids are shut down
I can picture us finishing fifth and North finishing eighth and
de Ja vu all over again.
DH and co better work out a better method /team of scoring over 80 pts a game bc I'm not convinced still

 

[TigerImposter]

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Really I'm not a fan of him bc of the risk carried with him, but in reality he's still very creative and clever around the goals. So I would have to agree with you here. I was very impressed with him yesterday at Preston. He was on the beach at the end all rugged up and was limping so I don't know what was going on with him

 

[Livonski]

Like seriously, it's half time in this game and it's really tight already- but Richmond have won once in the past 17 wins by a margin of 50+ points (against the Lions in Round 3). The Saints victory to start the streak last year was also fairly comfortable.

What is it about Richmond not being able to put any team away?

Carlton had been playing good footy ex Malthouse and were therefore a potential danger game. So the question at match committee is how to give ourselves the highest probability of winning.
Easy answer is to shut down their one strength, I.e. Run and carry off half back. So you saw that with selection and setup. And it worked a treat as they never looked like chopping us up with ball movement. We caused multiple turnovers because they didn't have a plan B. Barker has just been letting them run.
And the trade off as SpudsLoveChild said, was lack of scoring firepower.


The second reason is the wastefulness inside 50, as has been mentioned. Best conversion was V Freo when it counted but otherwise it's been poor. Dusty's 2 brain fades were good examples.

 

[Boggle]

Taylor Hunt made what I thought was an interesting comment in his post match interview: "What we pride ourselves on is being a scrapper side" (see 0:42 in http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-07-11/round-15-hunt-postmatch) and I just wonder about this, I really do.

Just how is a "scrapper side" going to see itself putting away an opposition to the tune of ten or more goals?

I reckon there's some mental issues here and although I don't think Hunt's comment should be over emphasized -- I'm sure he meant that Richmond can win the tight and scrappy games, not that we are just a bunch of scrappers -- I still wonder whether the mental side of our game has improved all that much in the last half decade or so.

We know we have the talent and the ability to play as well as any team in the competition, so the problem surely has to be largely between the ears.

 

[DrMike]

I'd rather know we'll win comfortable games than wonder if we'll win at all
Scoring pressure will come

 

[Toadvine]

I think it also comes down to what teams do to combat our game style. Weaker teams know we want space and they can't match us one on one, so they put extra numbers around the contest and often play with an extra defender even before the first ball is bounced.

 

[Roachy8]

I was going to start a thread with the following observation but it sort of fits in here....

The thing that we still need to learn to do as a team is get on-top of an opposition who is choking our play with a heavy zone and press.
IMO that is why we struggle against the minnows to post a really bug win & also why we do well against top teams.

Top sides take you on with their own skills and ability because they trust in what they can do to post a winning score - against these sorts of teams our own quality allows us to compete and often come out on top which is great.

IMO - the lower teams are more and more looking to limit the impact and damage of a quality opponent and as such reduce the game to a slog-fest... aka Friday night v the blooos.

We are learning to come out on top in this type of contested game but the next step IMO for the Tigers is to learn how to break the strangle-hold earlier and to therefore post larger wins.

On Friday we were close to getting up by 50 - 60 odd if we had just made the right decisions a few times - twice Dusty did 'the team thing' and looked for a lead-up player in the forward 50 when he was entitled to go for goal.
Many times we had an open forward line and we either missed the open player by 20 meters or so (Gordon twice) or lobbed a high ball on top of our teammates head rather than to his advantage.

Anyway, if we polish up these couple of things and I reckon we can, we will start to comfortably beat the lower teams and improve our effort against the top ones.

Cheers!

 

[tunksy]

losing forwards constantly to injury and suspension certainly doesn't help us grow a better forward line. it'll get there. but its our weakest and most inconsistent line atm. its need some more class and another consistent tall to compliment jack.

 

[Spagman]

Good teams find a way to win. We're doing that so there's nothing wrong with thinking that we're a good team. Will we be great though?

I doubt we'll ever be one of those great Geelong or Hawks squads at their peak that come out and consistently smash other teams by 8 goals + week. Both those teams have had stretches like that. Will we? I doubt it. Do you need to? No not really.

 

[Mr Unbelievable]

I was going to start a thread with the following observation but it sort of fits in here....

The thing that we still need to learn to do as a team is get on-top of an opposition who is choking our play with a heavy zone and press.
IMO that is why we struggle against the minnows to post a really bug win & also why we do well against top teams.

Top sides take you on with their own skills and ability because they trust in what they can do to post a winning score - against these sorts of teams our own quality allows us to compete and often come out on top which is great.

IMO - the lower teams are more and more looking to limit the impact and damage of a quality opponent and as such reduce the game to a slog-fest... aka Friday night v the blooos.

We are learning to come out on top in this type of contested game but the next step IMO for the Tigers is to learn how to break the strangle-hold earlier and to therefore post larger wins.

On Friday we were close to getting up by 50 - 60 odd if we had just made the right decisions a few times - twice Dusty did 'the team thing' and looked for a lead-up player in the forward 50 when he was entitled to go for goal.
Many times we had an open forward line and we either missed the open player by 20 meters or so (Gordon twice) or lobbed a high ball on top of our teammates head rather than to his advantage.

Anyway, if we polish up these couple of things and I reckon we can, we will start to comfortably beat the lower teams and improve our effort against the top ones.

Cheers!

I agree with your opinion

 

[TigerImposter]

Pretty obvious now guys that you need to kick 15 goals plus to bet Hawthorn and WCE We need to find more avenues of kicking goals.

 

[This Is Anfield]

Pretty obvious now guys that you need to kick 15 goals plus to bet Hawthorn and WCE We need to find more avenues of kicking goals.

Not sure, no matter who's coaching, anyone is beating Hawthorn to a flag this year, TI, they are a bit good.

 

[TigerImposter]

Not sure, no matter who's coaching, anyone is beating Hawthorn to a flag this year, TI, they are a bit good.

Agree,but still this is where we still have a chance to beat them.We just need to be more creative and hope guys like Knights CEllis Madonna Hampson McBean and Lennon can step it up and do some cameo acts and grow in stature come September.We need to back them in bc the brigade of Newman Morris Gordon and Hunt wont get it done.DH needs to back new talent in otherwise he will struggle to be knighted in his 6th season

 

[Spanish_Fly]

What your post says to me is that it is a mental problem of arrogance. I felt this against the gold coast last year first game. The players had this air of arrogance like they would just turn up and it would fall on their lap. I think it still happens against lesser teams

Don't think its arrogance as such, but to me we are only a good team when we think we aren't. As soon as we think we are a good side we stop just doing the simple things, the 1% if you like, and drift from the game plan. When we think we are an ordinary side we go back to focusing on the simple things and we become a good side.

The hardest thing in football is just to keep, keeping it simple, goes for players and coaches.

 

[leekok]

losing forwards constantly to injury and suspension certainly doesn't help us grow a better forward line. it'll get there. but its our weakest and most inconsistent line atm. its need some more class and another consistent tall to compliment jack.

That's it. Griffiths may never be the player we all dream he could be and TV is too inconsistent.

 

[Livonski]

Not sure, no matter who's coaching, anyone is beating Hawthorn to a flag this year, TI, they are a bit good.

And beating them by turning a game into a shoot out? Don't think so.
We need to pressure them in our F50 and don't give them easy exits. No access thru the guts and clog up their F50. So it might be 9 goals to 8...whatever as long as we are 1pt in front at the end.
Thinking we have to kick 15 goals to win is just wrong.

 

[alarm]

A backline of 6 Rances should be illegal

Until they legalise cloning, it is.

 

[Frank Grimes]

The problem is due to 2 main reasons. The first is that the competition is very even these days. Brisbane playing at 100% would probably win against Hawthorn playing at 90%. Right now I go into games against the likes of Hawthorn, West Coast, Freo and Sydney thinking that we are a chance even though we're not favourites. Just as I'm going into the Saints game not expecting it to be a certain win.

The second reason why we are struggling a bit with the "comfortable games" is because we are in the middle of a transition of becoming a good team. To the lower clubs we are being the hunted. They see us as a better team and they now lift their intensity against us. Against the likes of the Hawks, West Coast, Freo and Sydney we are the hunters and we increase our intensity against them and it shows.

What I think makes teams like Hawthorn and Sydney great, is that they know that the competition is even and they play with commitment and intensity regardless who they play or even if they are 10 goals up or if they are 10 goals down.

 

[TigerImposter]

And beating them by turning a game into a shoot out? Don't think so.
We need to pressure them in our F50 and don't give them easy exits. No access thru the guts and clog up their F50. So it might be 9 goals to 8...whatever as long as we are 1pt in front at the end.
Thinking we have to kick 15 goals to win is just wrong.

Agree, but look at the number of times they kick over 15 goals
Have you seen their list ? They have run from defence right through to fwd line. The only way we will keep them to 8 goals is
1 if it buckets down all month
2 or in your dreams Livo
I admire your positivity though

 

[Lsta062]

Low scoring teams are always a chance of being opened up and exploited leading to heavy scores kicked against them
We are in this basket bc we depend heavily on our backline shutting down teams. This backfires if our mids are shut down
I can picture us finishing fifth and North finishing eighth and
de Ja vu all over again.
DH and co better work out a better method /team of scoring over 80 pts a game bc I'm not convinced still

Like what happened to Fremantle against Hawthorn?

I agree with you. We can't stroll along relying on our backline to click. A team like Hawthorn score heavily no matter how your backline looks like.

EDIT: The last time North Melbourne scored below 100 against us was 2009

 

[TigerImposter]

Like what happened to Fremantle against Hawthorn?

I agree with you. We can't stroll along relying on our backline to click. A team like Hawthorn score heavily no matter how your backline looks like

Agree mate there are no cheapies all over the ground and if our midfield is shut down then suddenly the backline will go to pooh
And guys like Houli Chaplin and Batchelor will melt like the EF last year. Plus their small fwds are relentless and I'm not sure who can stop them all day

 

[Lsta062]

Agree mate there are no cheapies all over the ground and if our midfield is shut down then suddenly the backline will go to pooh
And guys like should Chaplin and Batchelor will melt like the EF last year. Plus their small fwds are relentless and I'm not sure who can stop them all day

Yeah exactly. When Richmond is good I normally am able to visualise them beating anyone in the league, but for the first time in a while, I don't know how even the best Richmond is able to beat Hawthorn. It was easier when they had Buddy up forward and they just kicked to either him, Cyril or Roughead, but they have changed a lot since those days. Seriously, any one in that forward line or midfield can kick a few nowadays. We are starting to do that ourselves, but not consistently enough, unlike Hawthorn

If we sort our attacking out though, we should be alright

 

[WALDENPOND]

I don't know how even the best Richmond is able to beat Hawthorn.

It is such an even season. I would be just as nervous going up against Gold Coast as I would hawthorn. It's all about how much intensity the team brings on the day.