Opinion Commentary & Media II

[The Ardent Army]

Friends, new post on The Shinboner, a quick explanation of what happens at a centre bounce, player roles and the like: https://theshinboner.com/2018/03/14/what-happens-at-a-centre-bounce/

Obviously has a North focus but you can apply this to most centre bounces with any team involved. If anyone has any questions about these types of structures and plays they'd like to see expanded into a post, let me know. I've already got a few posts queued up to go in the near future from suggestions here.

Thanks. Enjoyed both recent posts. I’d love to see something on our kick outs from a behind. Ideally you’d grab some vision of another club to then show us how it’s done properly...

Might be hard to find vision but interested to look at the setups for some variations - short chip out to the pocket then longer kick or play on with shepherd/ block etc.

Thanks

 

[giantroo]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/43961736ea1f018bbb68059192c965b7

Every club's captain was polled on which player they would pick first to add to their team.

North Melbourne — Jack Ziebell

“It would be either Fyfe or Dangerfield. They’re pretty aggressive players.”

 

[Snake_Baker]

Folks, new post on The Shinboner where I explain why we saw some of the turnovers we did last night: https://theshinboner.com/2018/03/08/jlt-2-the-tale-of-the-turnover-nmfc/

Well ... some of the turnovers at least. Obviously some of them were inexcusable.

Great work as always mate.

A request: Have you got some numbers on Hrovat's & Atleys pressure acts in 2017?

 

[Rick18]

Great work as always mate.

A request: Have you got some numbers on Hrovat's & Atleys pressure acts in 2017?

I don't have access to the exact numbers anymore, but going off memory Atley was ok and Hrovat above average in relation to the rest of the team.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I don't have access to the exact numbers anymore, but going off memory Atley was ok and Hrovat above average in relation to the rest of the team.

Righto.

Perhaps something to educate folks on the reality of life as a half forward flank, when our midfield has the ball and opposition has the ball?

I struggle to remember any top shelf half forwards in recent years that didn't play in a side with a good midfield.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

David King, Herald Sun

HOW did North Melbourne get here? The internal assessment of where the Kangaroos thought they resided on the AFL landscape was horribly wrong, and now unfortunately it’s as bad as it gets.Disagree with that, we knew, just rolled the dice and I see know problem with that. it's not like we had stockpiled early picks and were waiting for them to blossom- I personally enjoyed making two prelims.

Eight wins from the past 34 matches endorses the notion that the back-to-to back preliminary final seasons of 2014-15 were built on a house of cards. Yep and once we realised it was over the club made some very tough decisions, which they copped plenty over. It would seem we are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.



There have been no advantages taken at the national draft as teams situated around them have had more early selections recently. Consider that Brisbane has had five selections in the top 20 picks in the past two drafts compared with the Kangaroos’ two.

Agree we are risk averse at trade time and I couldn't give a flying **** if you disagree............ you are wrong!!



The Roos were the poorest clearance team in the league last season, which is surprising given the senior core players such as Ben Cunnington, Shaun Higgins and Jack Ziebell were mainstays around the contest. JZ should be a high HF, Cunners is class along with Higgins, plenty of better mids playing elswhere weekly. Any real North person wouldn't be suprised.

It’s Russian roulette at stoppages, either the Kangaroos score or their opposition does. Yeah we do seem to lack structure, can't argue with that.

North is the AFL’s fourth poorest defence from stoppages and third poorest on turnovers at denying opposition ball movement. There’s much work to be done and, given its link to success recently, it highlights just how far away North is from a sustainable competitive model. See your bloody midfield quote, Jack Dyer always said it's hard to score if you don't have the ball. Our backline would be very competitive if we had a decent midfield.

They are way too easy to play against. Yep covered that

They play a transition ball game, with less forward-half press, which appears to be the model Richmond, Adelaide and Port Adelaide are wedded to. we are trying to improve our spread along with our run and carry game. I like it


towards influencing mid-forward types such as Jy Simpkin and Luke Davies-Uniacke. But there is a dearth of quality midfielders coming through. We never had the picks where we could snaffle an A grade gun mid since Cunners- what? seven years ago.





Can see the headlines now: Roos shock Pies! Anyway, a promising season and another in 2019 means they will have cash in hand when they once again go after Josh Kelly. Yeah not banking on many wins and beating the Pies carries no weight, they're mired up to their own necks in s**t.


VERDICT

Will surprise. Well then I'll be surprised.



I am not concerned and feel we are on the right track, two more years of pain though

Fair article for the most part.

That's much better.

My main issue with Kingy's summary comes down to a couple of assumptions I really question (and question constantly):
1. Every season you don't win a flag is equally wasted. A footy club is running a business in which it expects supporters to invest time and money, year after year. As a customer I can deal with seasons we don't do much right, but those seasons we made and won finals against the odds can keep me coming back for years. Not because we are too small to fall back for long, but because the times I see ******* shinboner spirit make me fall in love all over again. I wouldn't give up those finals wins against * and Richmond for draft picks, not in a million years. A season your team does that twice and makes top 4 is better than a season you watch them draft down to the lower reaches of the ladder and prove nothing against anybody.
2. You are closer to a flag if you dive for a bunch of draft picks. Again, Hawthorn did it perfectly but no-one else has proved the theory. Woo hoo Brisbane having five top 20 draft picks, but until it actually happens, they are no closer to a premiership than we are. I have actually lost count of how many times I have heard the "X picks in the top Y will really set Z team up for success", and it does not happen.

 

[King Corey]

That's much better.

My main issue with Kingy's summary comes down to a couple of assumptions I really question (and question constantly):
1. Every season you don't win a flag is equally wasted. A footy club is running a business in which it expects supporters to invest time and money, year after year. As a customer I can deal with seasons we don't do much right, but those seasons we made and won finals against the odds can keep me coming back for years. Not because we are too small to fall back for long, but because the times I see ******* shinboner spirit make me fall in love all over again. I wouldn't give up those finals wins against * and Richmond for draft picks, not in a million years. A season your team does that twice and makes top 4 is better than a season you watch them draft down to the lower reaches of the ladder and prove nothing against anybody.
2. You are closer to a flag if you dive for a bunch of draft picks. Again, Hawthorn did it perfectly but no-one else has proved the theory. Woo hoo Brisbane having five top 20 draft picks, but until it actually happens, they are no closer to a premiership than we are. I have actually lost count of how many times I have heard the "X picks in the top Y will really set Z team up for success", and it does not happen.

Never thought I'd see the day H2H would run a post through the Rad Roo filter.

 

[King Corey]

2. You are closer to a flag if you dive for a bunch of draft picks. Again, Hawthorn did it perfectly but no-one else has proved the theory.

Even that one is bigfooty trolling more than anything.

Hawthorn put it all on 'black' when they traded Croad and McPharlin for #1 (Hodge) #16 (Ladson) #36 (Mitchell). They were top 4 that year. And talk about rebuilding your midfield..

Their #2 (Roughead) and #5 (Franklin) picks in 2004 were more the result of the wheels falling off under Schwab than setting out to tank the season.

Right now the nearest we've had to a bona fide tanking flag is probably the dogs in 2016 and even then as much as it pains me, they've never gone full Dean Bailey (RIP) on a season.

 

[Mcarcherey]

That's much better.

My main issue with Kingy's summary comes down to a couple of assumptions I really question (and question constantly):
1. Every season you don't win a flag is equally wasted. A footy club is running a business in which it expects supporters to invest time and money, year after year. As a customer I can deal with seasons we don't do much right, but those seasons we made and won finals against the odds can keep me coming back for years. Not because we are too small to fall back for long, but because the times I see ******* shinboner spirit make me fall in love all over again. I wouldn't give up those finals wins against * and Richmond for draft picks, not in a million years. A season your team does that twice and makes top 4 is better than a season you watch them draft down to the lower reaches of the ladder and prove nothing against anybody.
2. You are closer to a flag if you dive for a bunch of draft picks. Again, Hawthorn did it perfectly but no-one else has proved the theory. Woo hoo Brisbane having five top 20 draft picks, but until it actually happens, they are no closer to a premiership than we are. I have actually lost count of how many times I have heard the "X picks in the top Y will really set Z team up for success", and it does not happen.

i found that funny - at worst brisbane would've had 4 picks within the top 20 throughout the last two drafts, having 5 is hardly an amazing achievement.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Even that one is bigfooty trolling more than anything.

Hawthorn put it all on 'black' when they traded Croad and McPharlin for #1 (Hodge) #16 (Ladson) #36 (Mitchell). They were top 4 that year. And talk about rebuilding your midfield..

Their #2 (Roughead) and #5 (Franklin) picks in 2004 were more the result of the wheels falling off under Schwab than setting out to tank the season.

Right now the nearest we've had to a bona fide tanking flag is probably the dogs in 2016 and even then as much as it pains me, they've never gone full Dean Bailey (RIP) on a season.

They also found their Alan Bond and traded out Thompson and Hay for decent draft picks while they still had value to some idiot.

 

[darko]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/43961736ea1f018bbb68059192c965b7

Every club's captain was polled on which player they would pick first to add to their team.

North Melbourne — Jack Ziebell

“It would be either Fyfe or Dangerfield. They’re pretty aggressive players.”

Danger easily.

 

[Colbys Boots]

i found that funny - at worst brisbane would've had 4 picks within the top 20 throughout the last two drafts, having 5 is hardly an amazing achievement.

Especially when it is due not to savvy trading but previous high draft picks wanting to dessert the sinking ship. I would question how many top 20 picks have walked out on Brisbane recently.

 

[Caracas]

Just to say that I still haven’t changed my opinion that we were desperately unlucky in 2016 (injury-wise). We were going really well until we were literally pole-axed. Brad had set his stall out to win the flag and, unfortunately, it didn’t work out. All this talk of cliffs is pure crap. We’ve dropped back like any team would (incl. Hawks).


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[Jack Bradley]

Just to say that I still haven’t changed my opinion that we were desperately unlucky in 2016 (injury-wise). We were going really well until we were literally pole-axed. Brad had set his stall out to win the flag and, unfortunately, it didn’t work out. All this talk of cliffs is pure crap. We’ve dropped back like any team would (incl. Hawks).


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We were properly ****ed by the umpires against West coast

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[The Ardent Army]

We were well and truly on in that 2015 prelim final. Then Jacobs trip, Jmac frees....changed the momentum and they lost confidence. Unfortunately ‘saw it with my own two eyes’. That was our best chance.

 

[Jindrrk]

Just to say that I still haven’t changed my opinion that we were desperately unlucky in 2016 (injury-wise). We were going really well until we were literally pole-axed. Brad had set his stall out to win the flag and, unfortunately, it didn’t work out. All this talk of cliffs is pure crap. We’ve dropped back like any team would (incl. Hawks).


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What injuries??

According to most non North supporters we had none.

It screwed up 2016.

I blame Groin guru and I still am resentful towards him. I even made a voodoo doll which didnt even need any hair for it.

 

[Firestarter]

Someone tweeted a snapshot of the beginning of another garbage JRalph article about Kelly...

 

[Unity-28]

Someone tweeted a snapshot of the beginning of another garbage JRalph article about Kelly...

absolutely disgraceful.....how he still has a job in football media is beyond me.

 

[The Y Factor]

That's much better.

My main issue with Kingy's summary comes down to a couple of assumptions I really question (and question constantly):
1. Every season you don't win a flag is equally wasted. A footy club is running a business in which it expects supporters to invest time and money, year after year. As a customer I can deal with seasons we don't do much right, but those seasons we made and won finals against the odds can keep me coming back for years. Not because we are too small to fall back for long, but because the times I see ******* shinboner spirit make me fall in love all over again. I wouldn't give up those finals wins against * and Richmond for draft picks, not in a million years. A season your team does that twice and makes top 4 is better than a season you watch them draft down to the lower reaches of the ladder and prove nothing against anybody.
2. You are closer to a flag if you dive for a bunch of draft picks. Again, Hawthorn did it perfectly but no-one else has proved the theory. Woo hoo Brisbane having five top 20 draft picks, but until it actually happens, they are no closer to a premiership than we are. I have actually lost count of how many times I have heard the "X picks in the top Y will really set Z team up for success", and it does not happen.

Well said! This pretty much sums me up!

The thought of being like Carlton and ring happy to finish at the bottom of the ladder and be proud of all the rising star awards while still being rubbish is for the tip.

Having said that, I'd like to finish bottom 2 if we really are not up to speed this year but who knows what will happen!!

 

[Snake_Baker]

Any chance someone could grab and post this article?

 

[shintemaster]

I'm still quite comfortable with hoping GWS don't get close to it. Even better if North fly past them next year and don't need JK.

Yes, I'm a nasty man.

 

[Firestarter]

I'm still quite comfortable with hoping GWS don't get close to it. Even better if North fly past them next year and don't need JK.

Yes, I'm a nasty man.

I was just hoping I'd get 12 months without having to read anything about it again. Meh.

 

[Gasometer]

Look forward to seeing Kingy out there post game slapping backs after SURPRISE wins.

 

[Gasometer]

I'm still quite comfortable with hoping GWS don't get close to it. Even better if North fly past them next year and don't need JK.

Yes, I'm a nasty man.

So this.

The whole media love in with a manufactured success machine built on a house of sand is nauseating.

Once this era is over, and it will come as sure as night follows day and the club is still not embedded as a concept in West Sydney....then what....

Then what?