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It's a crass joke. Would you use government to censor such things?
Its not the government tho is it.

He was sacked by a private, profit making organisation because they obviously don't want comments like that associated with their sponsors. That is precisely the sort of laissez-faire market regulated society libertarians like Peter Thiel want. Government mandated unfair dismissal laws might prevent this sort of censorship tho, if he could argue his dismissal was unfair. Its a difficult argument to make.

Anyway its over now and he can head for the dustbin of footy history.
 

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Yep. By other men. Women are also largely murdered by men. There's bit of a common theme here.
Oh for sure. There is a small minority of men that think is ok or funny to bash, rape, murder women. Or bash, murder men.

They are the biggest problem for all of us to feel safe. But a murder is the same for a man and a woman, no? Neither deserve it, nor is one worse than the other (as a general rule).
 

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Oh for sure. There is a small minority of men that think is ok or funny to bash, rape, murder women. Or bash, murder men.

They are the biggest problem for all of us to feel safe. But a murder is the same for a man and a woman, no? Neither deserve it, nor is one worse than the other (as a general rule).
Well... considering 1 in 3 Australian women have been subject to abuse and 1 in 5 Australian women have been sexually abused, I would suggest that its not a small minority. No doubt it is a minority, but it's unlikely that it's as small as what you think. I think the #notallmen sentiment is largely unhelpful in any case, because no one is actually asserting that all men are violent.

However, there are certainly issues with "toxic masculinity". When the term "toxic masculinity" is used, it doesn't mean that masculinity is bad. It means that certain elements of what society encourages of men are inherently toxic. These include encouraging men to be violent and unemotional. This is what needs to be rectified. There should be absolutely no circumstances when men are encouraged to act with violence towards anyone.
 

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Well... considering 1 in 3 Australian women have been subject to abuse and 1 in 5 Australian women have been sexually abused, I would suggest that its not a small minority. No doubt it is a minority, but it's unlikely that it's as small as what you think. I think the #notallmen sentiment is largely unhelpful in any case, because no one is actually asserting that all men are violent.

However, there are certainly issues with "toxic masculinity". When the term "toxic masculinity" is used, it doesn't mean that masculinity is bad. It means that certain elements of what society encourages of men are inherently toxic. These include encouraging men to be violent and unemotional. This is what needs to be rectified. There should be absolutely no circumstances when men are encouraged to act with violence towards anyone.
Well said. And as I’ve previously said the problem certainly comes from the male demographic. We are inherently violent imo and I’ve been thinking about this a lot. My dad for instance is the least violent man I know. He changes the channel when something is “too violent” on tv. Yet he loves boxing. To my way of thinking it has to be to do with our inbuilt hunting/fighting of saber tooth tigers plus societies view we have to be “tough”.
 

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Is the Fox Team better than Ch 7?

Slightly in front
Well Dwaynker and Gerard are their weakest link. They are bloody annoying. Channel 7 they have Carey and Bartel....and pretty boy from Essendon is ok. The rest by memory are all annoying.
 

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Well Dwaynker and Gerard are their weakest link. They are bloody annoying. Channel 7 they have Carey and Bartel....and pretty boy from Essendon is ok. The rest by memory are all annoying.
Even then those 2 aren't too bad. Dwayne rambles on sometimes and I've always liked Gerard Healy. Probably because I like On The Couch.
 

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The narrative regarding Barry Halls terrible comment has moved to murder, rape and domestic violence.
I've never liked the guy, ever.
But I doubt he'd beat up on a woman or forcefully impose himself on one.
Humans make mistakes and most are accountable via consequence and feelings of shame.
Modern society has a habit of blowing out issues further then what they need to be.


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Montagne has form too...

Wasn't he the dude that let Milne 'slip in' on the girl he was seeing causing the rape case?

Also, wasn't he front and square in the dwarf burning incident too?

The only one that really escapes any recourse here I think is Barrett. He just laughed while the rest threw their 2 bob in...

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No it was Milne and Clinton Jones.

But him (Joey) and Nick should be sacked for last year's incident at Moorabbin Bowling on their retirement celebrations:

 

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No it was Milne and Clinton Jones.

But him (Joey) and Nick should be sacked for last year's incident at Moorabbin Bowling on their retirement celebrations:

An earlier committal hearing was told that Milne's accuser had believed she was having sex with Montagna.
She and a female friend had been sharing a bed with the two players in a darkened room at the Highett home.
Montagna told the hearing he believed no one had been forced to have sex against their will on the night.

Sounds like Montagna and Milne played swapsies without the girls knowing. The indecent assault was at Montagnas house too.

As I said, form is there imo.

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Well... considering 1 in 3 Australian women have been subject to abuse and 1 in 5 Australian women have been sexually abused, I would suggest that its not a small minority. No doubt it is a minority, but it's unlikely that it's as small as what you think. I think the #notallmen sentiment is largely unhelpful in any case, because no one is actually asserting that all men are violent.
Where is the reference for those stats if you have it?
 

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Even then those 2 aren't too bad. Dwayne rambles on sometimes and I've always liked Gerard Healy. Probably because I like On The Couch.
Oh I can't stand both of them....but moreso Dwaynker than Healy. Healy is just way past his used by date and when he has our games he talks about the other team the whole game.

Dwaynker is just cringeworthy and a real knob.

Heh but that's just how I see them :)
 

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An earlier committal hearing was told that Milne's accuser had believed she was having sex with Montagna.
She and a female friend had been sharing a bed with the two players in a darkened room at the Highett home.
Montagna told the hearing he believed no one had been forced to have sex against their will on the night.

Sounds like Montagna and Milne played swapsies without the girls knowing. The indecent assault was at Montagnas house too.

As I said, form is there imo.

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I forgot about that.....incident to whatever happened.

But yeh the dwarf incident was the other two.
 
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