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Average age: 24.09 (7th)

Average games played: 65.1 (9th)

Champion Data overall list rating: 8th

Gosh the Roos are hard to get a read on. We were expecting a big dip in 2018 — many thought they’d be in wooden spoon territory — yet Brad Scott and his troops were in finals contention right until the final home and away round. And despite missing out on Andrew Gaff, the Roos brought in Jared Polec, Jaspar Pittard and Aaron Hall during the trade period — moves that address the club’s lack of outside run. Now they enter 2019 with the sixth-best midfield group in the game and eight eighth-best list overall. For us, it appears as if they’ll again be fighting for a spot in the bottom-half of the eight with the likes of Brisbane,

Rise, hold or fall? Maintain

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...n/news-story/8917d27a2e0dd38c614b1807eda13830
 

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'With the likes of Brisbane.'

Doubtful they'll be near the bottom half of the eight.
Their 2018 was a lot like our 2017. 15th, 5-6 wins, higher percentage than 15th would expect to have, lost some close ones. Wouldn’t be surprising to see them in the hunt for the eight pretty deep into the season.
 

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Their 2018 was a lot like our 2017. 15th, 5-6 wins, higher percentage than 15th would expect to have, lost some close ones. Wouldn’t be surprising to see them in the hunt for the eight pretty deep into the season.
They’ll be very hard to beat at home, I reckon they’ll end up with about 10 wins.
Neale is a great pick up but he’s no Beams(massive loss).
 

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#3, #4 and #5 in elite wingmen. Third in elite players behind Richmond and Adelaide.

Champion Data lists the elite players at every club

Al Paton, Herald Sun
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Be honest. Would you recognise Trent Dumont if he walked into the room right now?

The tough midfielder has played 61 games for the Kangaroos, including 22 last season, finishing equal-fifth in North Melbourne’s best-and-fairest. But he remains largely anonymous outside Arden St, selected in just 526 of almost 200,000 SuperCoach teams — statistically 0 per cent.

He’s also the fifth-best wingman in the AFL, according to Champion Data.

FULL LIST: SCROLL DOWN TO SEE WHO MAKES THE ELITE CLUB

The league’s official number cruncher assigns every player a position and the top 10 per cent of players in each position — based on a complex rankings formula — are classified as elite.

  • The rankings are based on stats from the past two seasons, with most weight given to recent form.

    Also in the elite category are Bombers Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti and Adam Saad, Collingwood defender Jack Crisp, West Coast’s Tom Barrass and Bulldog Matthew Suckling.

    But there is no Tom Mitchell, Patrick Cripps or Joel Selwood, who miss out in a crowded midfield.

    Based on Champion Data’s rankings, the wing will be a major strength for the Roos next season with trade arrivals Aaron Hall and Jared Polec also ranked in the top five, while Majak Daw is rated elite as a key defender.

    In all, North Melbourne has five elite players, second only to Richmond and Adelaide with six each.

    At the other end of table, the table isn’t good reading for Port Adelaide fans, with Robbie Gray the Power’s only elite player.

    Gold Coast is the only team without an elite player on its list.


    Trent Dumont 2017-18
    Statistic Average Ranking
    Disposals 20.9 Above average
    Contested possessions 8.3 Elite
    Metres gained 322 Average
    Clearances 2.9 Elite
    Score involvements 4.8 Above average
    Pressure points 45.8 Elite
    Tackles 4.1 Elite


    ELITE PLAYERS

    ADELAIDE
    Rory Sloane, Rory Laird, Brodie Smith, Eddie Betts, Tom Lynch, Paul Seedsman

    BRISBANE LIONS
    Dayne Zorko, Lachie Neale, Harris Andrews, Daniel Rich

    CARLTON
    Kade Simpson

    COLLINGWOOD
    Brodie Grundy, Jack Crisp, Jeremy Howe, Jordan De Goey

    ESSENDON
    Orazio Fantasia, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Adam Saad

    FREMANTLE
    Nat Fyfe, David Mundy

    GEELONG
    Patrick Dangerfield, Tom Hawkins, Sam Menegola

    GWS GIANTS
    Zac Williams, Callan Ward, Lachie Whitfield, Toby Greene, Phil Davis

    HAWTHORN
    Jack Gunston, Luke Breust, James Sicily

    MELBOURNE
    Clayton Oliver, Max Gawn, Tom McDonald, Jake Lever

    NORTH MELBOURNE
    Ben Cunnington, Majak Daw, Jared Polec, Aaron Hall, Trent Dumont

    PORT ADELAIDE
    Robbie Gray

    RICHMOND
    Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Alex Rance, Shane Edwards, Kane Lambert, Josh Caddy

    ST KILDA
    Jade Gresham

    SYDNEY
    Lance Franklin, Jake Lloyd

    WEST COAST
    Jeremy McGovern, Nic Naitanui, Josh Kennedy, Shannon Hurn, Tom Barrass

    WESTERN BULLDOGS
    Matthew Suckling, Lachie Hunter


    Elite players
    Club Players
    Richmond 6
    Adelaide 6
    West Coast 5
    North Melbourne 5
    GWS Giants 5
    Collingwood 4
    Melbourne 4
    Brisbane Lions 4
    Geelong 3
    Essendon 3
    Hawthorn 3
    Sydney 2
    Western Bulldogs 2
    Fremantle 2
    St Kilda 1
    Port Adelaide 1
    Carlton 1
    Gold Coast 0


    TOP 10 IN EACH POSITION

    MIDFIELDERS
    1. Dustin Martin

    2. Nat Fyfe

    3. Clayton Oliver

    4. Dayne Zorko

    5. Lachie Neale

    6. Rory Sloane

    7. Ben Cunnington

    8. Callan Ward

    9. Patrick Cripps

    10. Marcus Bontempelli

    KEY FORWARDS
    1. Lance Franklin

    2. Jack Riewoldt

    3. Tom Hawkins

    4. Jack Gunston

    5. Tom McDonald

    6. Josh J Kennedy

    7. Jarryd Roughead

    8. Justin Westhoff

    9. Ben Brown

    10. Taylor Walker



    Dustin Martin didn’t reach his incredible 2017 heights last season, but he’s still the best midfielder in the game.

    Essendon’s Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti is rated elite as a general forward.

    MID-FORWARDS
    1. Patrick Dangerfield

    2. Shane Edwards

    3. Sam Menegola

    4. Robbie Gray

    5. David Mundy

    6. Mitch Wallis

    7. Michael Walters

    8. Isaac Heeney

    9. Chad Wingard

    10. Mitch Robinson

    GENERAL FORWARDS
    1. Luke Breust

    2. Orazio Fantasia

    3. Kane Lambert

    4. Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti

    5. Eddie Betts

    6. Jordan De Goey

    7. Josh Caddy

    8. Tom Lynch

    9. Toby Greene

    10. Jade Gresham

    WINGMEN
    1. Lachie Hunter

    2. Paul Seedsman

    3. Jared Polec

    4. Aaron Hall

    5. Trent Dumont

    6. Sam Lloyd

    7. Jack Sinclair

    8. David Zaharakis

    9. Andrew Gaff

    10. Tom Phillips

    KEY DEFENDERS
    1. Jeremy McGovern

    2. Harris Andrews

    3. Alex Rance

    4. Majak Daw

    5. Jake Lever

    6. Tom Barrass

    7. Phil Davis

    8. Liam Jones

    9. Lachie Henderson

    10. Dougal Howard



    Majak Daw was reinvented as a key defender. Picture: Michael Klein

    Brodie Grundy edges out Max Gawn as the game’s No.1 ruckman.

    RUCKMEN
    1. Brodie Grundy

    2. Max Gawn

    3. Nic Naitanui

    4. Paddy Ryder

    5. Ben McEvoy

    6. Todd Goldstein

    7. Aaron Sandilands

    8. Toby Nankervis

    9. Stefan Martin

    10. Zac Smith

    GENERAL DEFENDERS
    1. Jack Crisp

    2. Zac Williams

    3. Jeremy Howe

    4. Rory Laird

    5. Brodie Smith

    6. Matthew Suckling

    7. Kade Simpson

    8. Shannon Hurn

    9. Jake Lloyd

    10. James Sicily
 

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#3, #4 and #5 in elite wingmen. Third in elite players behind Richmond and Adelaide.
For a team with no outside run to suddenly have 3 elite ranked wingers (and no mention of Higgins) is unreal. I hope we get used to it quickly. And more specifically the team does too.
 

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Dumont will go to another level again statistically this year.

He averaged 24 touches, 4.3 tackles, 95 SC points a game in the last half of the season.
Agree. It will be really disappointing if he doesn’t
Remeber when Bastinac was going to go to another level alongside Dal Santo and the change in role messed him up?

We're all comfortable that Froggy is better/harder/smarter than Basti, right?
 

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#3, #4 and #5 in elite wingmen. Third in elite players behind Richmond and Adelaide.
I'm yet to see any reliable evidence which suggests that champion data rankings have the slightest relevance to what happens on an AFL field. Until we decide to scrap the ladder altogether and just decide the premiership by supercoach scores these articles are just pointless space fillers.
 

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Good point
Anyone picking the last 3 GF teams at the start of the season be lucky to pick 1 team out of 6

To me we are stating to look a better squad than Port by miles and Syd and cats about ready to drop off
 

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Remeber when Bastinac was going to go to another level alongside Dal Santo and the change in role messed him up?

We're all comfortable that Froggy is better/harder/smarter than Basti, right?
He’s a lot more reliable when required to do the team things than Basti was .
 

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Remeber when Bastinac was going to go to another level alongside Dal Santo and the change in role messed him up?

We're all comfortable that Froggy is better/harder/smarter than Basti, right?
On paper we've added more firepower to our midfield, but having them all gel - including but not limited to Froggy - is another story. It was suggested this may have been one of *s issues last year with their imports.

We know Polec will take the opposite wing, and Hall and Tyson likely more in the guts. Maybe it's just a rotation thing? Tyson rotating for Polec, Hall for Froggy, for example. The reason Froggy rates highly is that he's doing inside work in addition to gut running on the outside; will it still be the same? It'll be interesting to see how the new mix affects everyone.
 

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Pfffft, as if!
Their 2018 was a lot like our 2017. 15th, 5-6 wins, higher percentage than 15th would expect to have, lost some close ones. Wouldn’t be surprising to see them in the hunt for the eight pretty deep into the season.

They will start to make the Gabba fortress again next season.

I have them winning 10-12 games.
 

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I'm yet to see any reliable evidence which suggests that champion data rankings have the slightest relevance to what happens on an AFL field. Until we decide to scrap the ladder altogether and just decide the premiership by supercoach scores these articles are just pointless space fillers.
I've always felt that Champion Data is elite when it comes to recording statistics. But they are well below average in analysing statistics.
 
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