Opinion Commentary & Media III

[SonofSamsquanch]

Their 2017 GF win was a thing of beauty.

Actually, didn't they go back to back? 2016 VFL... 2017 AFL.

 

[ferball]

It was 2016 they won the AFL GF. 2017 was when they were all full of themselves/s**t and missed finals.

 

[Firestarter]

Their 2017 GF win was a thing of beauty.

Yep. Grand fail.

 

[giantroo]

NORTH MELBOURNE

Average age: 24.09 (7th)

Average games played: 65.1 (9th)

Champion Data overall list rating: 8th

Gosh the Roos are hard to get a read on. We were expecting a big dip in 2018 — many thought they’d be in wooden spoon territory — yet Brad Scott and his troops were in finals contention right until the final home and away round. And despite missing out on Andrew Gaff, the Roos brought in Jared Polec, Jaspar Pittard and Aaron Hall during the trade period — moves that address the club’s lack of outside run. Now they enter 2019 with the sixth-best midfield group in the game and eight eighth-best list overall. For us, it appears as if they’ll again be fighting for a spot in the bottom-half of the eight with the likes of Brisbane,

Rise, hold or fall? Maintain

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...n/news-story/8917d27a2e0dd38c614b1807eda13830

 

[Firestarter]

Proper editing is obviously at premium rates.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

'With the likes of Brisbane.'

Doubtful they'll be near the bottom half of the eight.

 

[RobZombie]

'With the likes of Brisbane.'

Doubtful they'll be near the bottom half of the eight.

Their 2018 was a lot like our 2017. 15th, 5-6 wins, higher percentage than 15th would expect to have, lost some close ones. Wouldn’t be surprising to see them in the hunt for the eight pretty deep into the season.

 

[Harris 10]

Their 2018 was a lot like our 2017. 15th, 5-6 wins, higher percentage than 15th would expect to have, lost some close ones. Wouldn’t be surprising to see them in the hunt for the eight pretty deep into the season.

They’ll be very hard to beat at home, I reckon they’ll end up with about 10 wins.
Neale is a great pick up but he’s no Beams(massive loss).

 

[ferball]

I think the lions will surprise a few. Might just miss the 8. 9th - 12th maybe.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

#3, #4 and #5 in elite wingmen. Third in elite players behind Richmond and Adelaide.

Champion Data lists the elite players at every club

Al Paton, Herald Sun
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Be honest. Would you recognise Trent Dumont if he walked into the room right now?

The tough midfielder has played 61 games for the Kangaroos, including 22 last season, finishing equal-fifth in North Melbourne’s best-and-fairest. But he remains largely anonymous outside Arden St, selected in just 526 of almost 200,000 SuperCoach teams — statistically 0 per cent.

He’s also the fifth-best wingman in the AFL, according to Champion Data.

FULL LIST: SCROLL DOWN TO SEE WHO MAKES THE ELITE CLUB

The league’s official number cruncher assigns every player a position and the top 10 per cent of players in each position — based on a complex rankings formula — are classified as elite.

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  The rankings are based on stats from the past two seasons, with most weight given to recent form.
  
  Also in the elite category are Bombers Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti and Adam Saad, Collingwood defender Jack Crisp, West Coast’s Tom Barrass and Bulldog Matthew Suckling.
  
  But there is no Tom Mitchell, Patrick Cripps or Joel Selwood, who miss out in a crowded midfield.
  
  Based on Champion Data’s rankings, the wing will be a major strength for the Roos next season with trade arrivals Aaron Hall and Jared Polec also ranked in the top five, while Majak Daw is rated elite as a key defender.
  
  In all, North Melbourne has five elite players, second only to Richmond and Adelaide with six each.
  
  At the other end of table, the table isn’t good reading for Port Adelaide fans, with Robbie Gray the Power’s only elite player.
  
  Gold Coast is the only team without an elite player on its list.
  
  
  Trent Dumont 2017-18
  Statistic Average Ranking
  Disposals 20.9 Above average
  Contested possessions 8.3 Elite
  Metres gained 322 Average
  Clearances 2.9 Elite
  Score involvements 4.8 Above average
  Pressure points 45.8 Elite
  Tackles 4.1 Elite
  
  
  ELITE PLAYERS
  
  ADELAIDE
  Rory Sloane, Rory Laird, Brodie Smith, Eddie Betts, Tom Lynch, Paul Seedsman
  
  BRISBANE LIONS
  Dayne Zorko, Lachie Neale, Harris Andrews, Daniel Rich
  
  CARLTON
  Kade Simpson
  
  COLLINGWOOD
  Brodie Grundy, Jack Crisp, Jeremy Howe, Jordan De Goey
  
  ESSENDON
  Orazio Fantasia, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Adam Saad
  
  FREMANTLE
  Nat Fyfe, David Mundy
  
  GEELONG
  Patrick Dangerfield, Tom Hawkins, Sam Menegola
  
  GWS GIANTS
  Zac Williams, Callan Ward, Lachie Whitfield, Toby Greene, Phil Davis
  
  HAWTHORN
  Jack Gunston, Luke Breust, James Sicily
  
  MELBOURNE
  Clayton Oliver, Max Gawn, Tom McDonald, Jake Lever
  
  NORTH MELBOURNE
  Ben Cunnington, Majak Daw, Jared Polec, Aaron Hall, Trent Dumont
  
  PORT ADELAIDE
  Robbie Gray
  
  RICHMOND
  Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Alex Rance, Shane Edwards, Kane Lambert, Josh Caddy
  
  ST KILDA
  Jade Gresham
  
  SYDNEY
  Lance Franklin, Jake Lloyd
  
  WEST COAST
  Jeremy McGovern, Nic Naitanui, Josh Kennedy, Shannon Hurn, Tom Barrass
  
  WESTERN BULLDOGS
  Matthew Suckling, Lachie Hunter
  
  
  Elite players
  Club Players
  Richmond 6
  Adelaide 6
  West Coast 5
  North Melbourne 5
  GWS Giants 5
  Collingwood 4
  Melbourne 4
  Brisbane Lions 4
  Geelong 3
  Essendon 3
  Hawthorn 3
  Sydney 2
  Western Bulldogs 2
  Fremantle 2
  St Kilda 1
  Port Adelaide 1
  Carlton 1
  Gold Coast 0
  
  
  TOP 10 IN EACH POSITION
  
  MIDFIELDERS
  1. Dustin Martin
  
  2. Nat Fyfe
  
  3. Clayton Oliver
  
  4. Dayne Zorko
  
  5. Lachie Neale
  
  6. Rory Sloane
  
  7. Ben Cunnington
  
  8. Callan Ward
  
  9. Patrick Cripps
  
  10. Marcus Bontempelli
  
  KEY FORWARDS
  1. Lance Franklin
  
  2. Jack Riewoldt
  
  3. Tom Hawkins
  
  4. Jack Gunston
  
  5. Tom McDonald
  
  6. Josh J Kennedy
  
  7. Jarryd Roughead
  
  8. Justin Westhoff
  
  9. Ben Brown
  
  10. Taylor Walker
  
  
  
  
  
  Dustin Martin didn’t reach his incredible 2017 heights last season, but he’s still the best midfielder in the game.
  
  
  
  Essendon’s Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti is rated elite as a general forward.
  
  MID-FORWARDS
  1. Patrick Dangerfield
  
  2. Shane Edwards
  
  3. Sam Menegola
  
  4. Robbie Gray
  
  5. David Mundy
  
  6. Mitch Wallis
  
  7. Michael Walters
  
  8. Isaac Heeney
  
  9. Chad Wingard
  
  10. Mitch Robinson
  
  GENERAL FORWARDS
  1. Luke Breust
  
  2. Orazio Fantasia
  
  3. Kane Lambert
  
  4. Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti
  
  5. Eddie Betts
  
  6. Jordan De Goey
  
  7. Josh Caddy
  
  8. Tom Lynch
  
  9. Toby Greene
  
  10. Jade Gresham
  
  WINGMEN
  1. Lachie Hunter
  
  2. Paul Seedsman
  
  3. Jared Polec
  
  4. Aaron Hall
  
  5. Trent Dumont
  
  6. Sam Lloyd
  
  7. Jack Sinclair
  
  8. David Zaharakis
  
  9. Andrew Gaff
  
  10. Tom Phillips
  
  KEY DEFENDERS
  1. Jeremy McGovern
  
  2. Harris Andrews
  
  3. Alex Rance
  
  4. Majak Daw
  
  5. Jake Lever
  
  6. Tom Barrass
  
  7. Phil Davis
  
  8. Liam Jones
  
  9. Lachie Henderson
  
  10. Dougal Howard
  
  
  
  
  
  Majak Daw was reinvented as a key defender. Picture: Michael Klein
  
  
  
  Brodie Grundy edges out Max Gawn as the game’s No.1 ruckman.
  
  RUCKMEN
  1. Brodie Grundy
  
  2. Max Gawn
  
  3. Nic Naitanui
  
  4. Paddy Ryder
  
  5. Ben McEvoy
  
  6. Todd Goldstein
  
  7. Aaron Sandilands
  
  8. Toby Nankervis
  
  9. Stefan Martin
  
  10. Zac Smith
  
  GENERAL DEFENDERS
  1. Jack Crisp
  
  2. Zac Williams
  
  3. Jeremy Howe
  
  4. Rory Laird
  
  5. Brodie Smith
  
  6. Matthew Suckling
  
  7. Kade Simpson
  
  8. Shannon Hurn
  
  9. Jake Lloyd
  
  10. James Sicily

 

[Firestarter]

Snake would be dying inside.

But Brown only 9th? Guess kicking goals isn't enough now.

 

[RobZombie]

Froggy Dumont invents a new category - the Contested Winger.

 

[ferball]

#3, #4 and #5 in elite wingmen. Third in elite players behind Richmond and Adelaide.

For a team with no outside run to suddenly have 3 elite ranked wingers (and no mention of Higgins) is unreal. I hope we get used to it quickly. And more specifically the team does too.

 

[Pykie]

Dumont will go to another level again statistically this year.

He averaged 24 touches, 4.3 tackles, 95 SC points a game in the last half of the season.

 

[Val Keating]

Dumont will go to another level again statistically this year.

He averaged 24 touches, 4.3 tackles, 95 SC points a game in the last half of the season.

Agree. It will be really disappointing if he doesn’t

 

[Kimbo]

Snake would be dying inside.

Froggy has no elite characteristics. Just filling a spot until we get some better players.

 

[RobZombie]

Dumont will go to another level again statistically this year.

He averaged 24 touches, 4.3 tackles, 95 SC points a game in the last half of the season.

Agree. It will be really disappointing if he doesn’t

Remeber when Bastinac was going to go to another level alongside Dal Santo and the change in role messed him up?

We're all comfortable that Froggy is better/harder/smarter than Basti, right?

 

[Tiberius]

#3, #4 and #5 in elite wingmen. Third in elite players behind Richmond and Adelaide.

I'm yet to see any reliable evidence which suggests that champion data rankings have the slightest relevance to what happens on an AFL field. Until we decide to scrap the ladder altogether and just decide the premiership by supercoach scores these articles are just pointless space fillers.

 

[Reginald0]

Good point
Anyone picking the last 3 GF teams at the start of the season be lucky to pick 1 team out of 6

To me we are stating to look a better squad than Port by miles and Syd and cats about ready to drop off

 

[deano28]

Remeber when Bastinac was going to go to another level alongside Dal Santo and the change in role messed him up?

We're all comfortable that Froggy is better/harder/smarter than Basti, right?

He’s a lot more reliable when required to do the team things than Basti was .

 

[Val Keating]

Remeber when Bastinac was going to go to another level alongside Dal Santo and the change in role messed him up?

We're all comfortable that Froggy is better/harder/smarter than Basti, right?

Let’s hope so. Wouldn’t be the first player to seemingly break out and then regress.

 

[Kimbo]

Remeber when Bastinac was going to go to another level alongside Dal Santo and the change in role messed him up?

We're all comfortable that Froggy is better/harder/smarter than Basti, right?

On paper we've added more firepower to our midfield, but having them all gel - including but not limited to Froggy - is another story. It was suggested this may have been one of *s issues last year with their imports.

We know Polec will take the opposite wing, and Hall and Tyson likely more in the guts. Maybe it's just a rotation thing? Tyson rotating for Polec, Hall for Froggy, for example. The reason Froggy rates highly is that he's doing inside work in addition to gut running on the outside; will it still be the same? It'll be interesting to see how the new mix affects everyone.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Their 2018 was a lot like our 2017. 15th, 5-6 wins, higher percentage than 15th would expect to have, lost some close ones. Wouldn’t be surprising to see them in the hunt for the eight pretty deep into the season.

They will start to make the Gabba fortress again next season.

I have them winning 10-12 games.

 

[Colbys Boots]

I'm yet to see any reliable evidence which suggests that champion data rankings have the slightest relevance to what happens on an AFL field. Until we decide to scrap the ladder altogether and just decide the premiership by supercoach scores these articles are just pointless space fillers.

I've always felt that Champion Data is elite when it comes to recording statistics. But they are well below average in analysing statistics.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If we have a good run with injury we will challenge the top 4.

If we have a moderate run with injury we should still make the top 8.