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Devington said:
Even more bewildering is that Comben's body has been a mess the majority of the last two years. He's one of the biggest question marks on the list in terms of what his future might be.
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He did look damn good in the pre-season, though. Just hope he's not one of those chronically injured types like poor Garns.
 
Devington said:
Even more bewildering is that Comben's body has been a mess the majority of the last two years. He's one of the biggest question marks on the list in terms of what his future might be.
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Didn't realise Comben's body had been that bad. He did grow something like 6 inches is short time though, so hopefully it's just growth related and sorts itself out.
 
big_e said:
Because he was a durable 100-gamer who we all thought could slot nicely into our 22.

That it's all gone to sh*t since then doesn't make that original decision a terrible one.
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The good judges said this was a shit trade from the beginning.

Cos we really needed another slow butcher.

it was a desperate trade made by ****ing Imbeciles looking for a hit after being left at the alter.
 
 

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If Shaun and Goldy didn't see the writing on the wall before they signed not even a year ago, then I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

This was blatantly obvious to every North supporter even before Brad left, the list had to be turned, we had to go to the drafts and we have done so, but there's more work to do.

Shaun & Goldy are smart guys, I think they're aware the situation about to unfold, I'd be pretty surprised if they weren't.
 
Asifhe Givashe said:
The good judges said this was a sh*t trade from the beginning.

Cos we really needed another slow butcher.

it was a desperate trade made by ******* Imbeciles looking for a hit after being left at the alter.
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I wouldn't have offered Tyson whatever years we did but the incentive was to move Preuss on by any means possible.
 
Billy Not Really said:
If Shaun and Goldy didn't see the writing on the wall before they signed not even a year ago, then I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

This was blatantly obvious to every North supporter even before Brad left, the list had to be turned, we had to go to the drafts and we have done so, but there's more work to do.

Shaun & Goldy are smart guys, I think they're aware the situation about to unfold, I'd be pretty surprised if they weren't.
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not necessarily.

if you just halved the injury list we have now, assumed some quality trades and youth development (at least this has occurred) we'd be competitive with the best. only have to look at the bulldogs to see a turn around of just 2 years. shit, richmond and collingwood were a shambles in 2016 and 2017 respectively.

it's a shame north didn't see that shaw isn't a senior level AFL coach and never actually changed the game plan in the second half of last year.
 
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Asifhe Givashe said:
The good judges said this was a sh*t trade from the beginning.

Cos we really needed another slow butcher.

it was a desperate trade made by ******* Imbeciles looking for a hit after being left at the alter.
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Yup. Imbeciles Indeed. :stern look
 
Billy Not Really said:
If Shaun and Goldy didn't see the writing on the wall before they signed not even a year ago, then I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

This was blatantly obvious to every North supporter even before Brad left, the list had to be turned, we had to go to the drafts and we have done so, but there's more work to do.

Shaun & Goldy are smart guys, I think they're aware the situation about to unfold, I'd be pretty surprised if they weren't.
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I think all that discounts the possibility that they actually wanted to stay and build a strong North again.....maybe Higgo wanted to get to 100 games for this club. I don't feel like all players are just mercenaries.....Goldy had a shocking patch and the club stuck with him. There's a lot more that goes on.
 
North Melbourne premiership coach Denis Pagan says list rebuild is right path for Roos

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North Melbourne has 23 players coming out of contract at the end of the season and up to 16 of them could be delisted or traded. Mark Robinson gives his verdict on which players should still be at Arden St in 2021.
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North Melbourne premiership coach Denis Pagan suspects the Kangas will bottom out “for the first time’’ as it embarks on a savage rebuild of its list.

Up to 16 out-of-contract players are fighting for their careers as reality hits coach Rhyce Shaw and the list/recruiting managers.

The Kangas have 23 players coming out of contract at the end of the season and it’s believed only seven of those players are set for contracts going into the 2021 season.

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The players who could be delisted or traded out of Arden St include Ben Brown, Mason Wood, Jamie Macmillan, Majak Daw, Taylor Garner, Mason Wood, Ben Jacobs, Jasper Pittard, Marley Williams, Paul Ahern, Sam Durdin and Ed Vickers-Willis.

Some of those players have struggled with injury, others ran out of chances, and others could be put up for trade.

Players in contract but also set to be discussed at end of the season include Shaun Atley, Aaron Hall, Dom Tyson.


Majak Daw is one of the players North Melbourne must make a call on.

Defender Jamie Macmillan is another whose list spot will come under scrutiny.

It’s possible contract buyouts could be presented to Hall and Tyson, the latter being unable to shake calf issues since his recruitment from Melbourne.

The players who should be given new deals, and have shown varying levels of promise, are Josh Walker, Kyron Hayden, Jed Anderson, Tristan Xerri, Curtis Taylor, Kayne Turner and Bailey Scott, although Turner, who has missed all of this season with a foot injury, is not as assured as the others.

It has to be also noted, though, 28-year-old Tom Campbell was named as an emergency against Melbourne ahead of the developing ruckman Xerri.


North’s tumultuous season, which has been beset by injury and poor performances, was laid bare by Shaw after the team’s shambolic loss to Melbourne last Sunday night.

“I think with six games to go, we’re going to find out a lot about our players and our list,” Shaw said.

“We‘re at that stage now – it’s just the reality of it. I don’t think I’m saying anything that’s going to be a shock to anyone now. But in saying that I don’t give up.”

Jasper Pittard has endured a tough season and could be culled at season’s end.

Pagan believes the club has decided to bottom out.

“I think they’ve already made their mind up — they’re going to rebuild again and I suspect this will be the first time the Kangas will bottom out and try to rebuild from the ground up.

“The time’s come, and if you look at the quality of the list, it’s time to put your future in youth.

“With Scotty Clayton (head of player personnel) and Glenn Luff (list manager), I’m confident they will pick the right sort of players and it will give the club the chance to get quality kids in there.

“They have got a few. I like Zurhaar, Simpkin, Tarryn Thomas, I like Larkey … that’s North Melbourne’s future, those four or five names there, and there are others.”

Ben Brown’s name is sure to feature in this year’s trade period.

North Melbourne has had five rising star nominations since the start of 2019 — Curtis Taylor, Thomas, Bailey Scott, Zurhaar and Larkey.

Other youngsters who could see more game time in the run home include Will Walker, mid-season draft pick-up Lachie Hosie, Tom Murphy and the left-footed mid-forward Matt McGuinness.


The impending player cull would be made easier for North Melbourne if the AFL decreed list sizes would be reduced to 35, which has been mooted in the industry.

That means seven spots would be automatically lost.

To replenish the list, North would go to this year‘s draft with two-first-round picks (they have Melbourne’s first-round selection), their other draft selections and possible selections acquired via trades. They would also try to pursue free agents.

This deep-dive list rebuild has been coming for several years.

The Kangas have been rebuilding since the end of the 2016 season when Brent Harvey, Drew Petrie, Michael Firrito and Nick Dal Santo were retired.

The new regime at the club, headed by Shaw, football boss Brady Rawlings and the list management team, should now be assessed after the next three years of drafts and trades.

“With Scotty there, I feel confident he will get a good group of players, but it’s not going to happen next year, it’s going to happen over a couple of years,” Pagan said.

“North has never bottomed out or done this, I can’t remember North being in a situation like this,

“It’s probably the right way to go now.”

Robbo’s assessment on the future of North Melbourne’s players

Player ----- Age ---- Arrived at club ---- Career Games ---- 2020 Games ----- Robbo’s call
*Majak Daw 29.4 2013 53 3 (Question mark)
Jasper Pittard 29.4 2019 159 11 (question mark)
Jamie Macmillan 28.9 2010 167 10 (question mark)
Ben Jacobs 28.6 2013 90 0 (question mark)
Josh Walker 27.7 2020 96 11 (tick)
Ben Brown 27.2 2014 130 9 (question mark)
Marley Williams 27.1 2017 124 4 (question mark)
Mason Wood 26.9 2013 60 3 (question mark)
Taylor Garner 26.6 2013 43 0 (question mark)
Jed Anderson 26.5 2016 72 9 (tick)
Kayne Turner 24.6 2014 79 0 (tick)
Ed Vickers-Willis 24.4 2015 15 0 (question mark)
Sam Durdin 24.2 2015 20 1 (question mark)
Paul Ahern 24.0 2017 22 4 (question mark)
Lachie Hosie 23.5 2019 1 1 (question mark)
Tom Murphy 22.6 2018 5 1 (question mark)
Tristan Xerri 21.4 2018 2 2 (tick)
Will Walker 21.4 2018 5 1 (question mark)
Kyron Hayden 21.2 2019 9 8 (tick)
Curtis Taylor 20.3 2019 11 9 (tick)
Joel Crocker 20.3 2019 0 0 (question mark)
Bailey Scott 20.1 2019 11 7 (tick)
Matt McGuinness 20.1 2020 0 0 (question mark)
 
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Robbo goes bang! Agree with most of it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. This rebuild should have been done properly at the end of 2016. Had it been done properly, we would be entering our premiership window now with Higgins and Goldstein as toppings but we are now the total opposite. In Scott Clayton We Trust.
 

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Asifhe Givashe said:
The good judges said this was a sh*t trade from the beginning.

Cos we really needed another slow butcher.

it was a desperate trade made by ******* Imbeciles looking for a hit after being left at the alter.
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Who are these good judges? Do we have the evidence of them saying this? Perhaps we could get their views on what we should do now.
Unfortunately we have a lot of people who claim to be good judges after a decision has been made and they already know the consequences.
 

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