Opinion Commentary & Media VIII

[king of the road]

Forward connection is one thing, but our "inside 50s" are dog shit.

Hacked kicks that go a mile into the air aren't setting ourselves up for success.

Sure.
But 0 out of 10? Not even a behind? Not good enough no matter how you look at it.

 

[ferball]

Average Attributes​
North Melbourne	Attribute	Fremantle
186.1cm	Height	189.1cm
83.7kg	Weight	87.3kg
25yr 2mth	Age	24yr 10mth
100.3	Games	88.8

Yeah I know that ...

... but it hides the fact that sometimes this year we have had 7 or 8 players under 21 in the side (and its almost always five or six players,) which is rarely matched by other sides. Only Richmond and on one occasion * afaik.

That's very different to a side with one player under 20 and 7 or 8 who are 21 or 22 like Freo on the weekend and to use those stats to claim we were "an older side" is misleading at best. It could be that Korn was lazy and just looked at the table you have provided but his ****en job is to talk about this shit in the media so its very poor from him.

Without Parker and Darling our average age just scrapes in at 24 and we had less twenty year olds playing this week than we have for most, maybe all of the season so far. Without those two our average games are 82.6 as well. Those two make up a huge chunk of our age and games played profiles and we have two 26 year olds in the weekend side with less than 30 games each.

There are no players in Freo's list that skew the age and games played stats like that.

Nat Fyfe has played 240 games and is the only player 30 or older on their list who played on the weekend. In fact their list and weekend side is nearly all in their 20s. We'll be in their position over the next 2-4 years.

The reason it doesn't tell the whole story is to do with the bolded bit above. Players under 21 have not done three full seasons at AFL level. Most players over 21 have and the 21 year olds are one or the other - Warlord who turned 21 during the week and has only had two and a half seasons at AFL level. That means the over 21s have most likely have four pre seasons as well. Its been said for years that it takes three seasons to get properly match fit for AFL so we have a large proportion of the side that isn't there yet.

And are lot of those players provide a good chunk of our effective output - Sheezel, Wardlaw, McKercher, Hardeman and even FOS most weeks and Kostansy and Hansen Jr on the weekend as well.

What Korn said was lazy and inaccurate. It provides a false picture of where we are really at.

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

Yeah I know that ...

... but it hides the fact that sometimes this year we have had 7 or 8 players under 21 in the side (and its almost always five or six players,) which is rarely matched by other sides. Only Richmond and on one occasion * afaik.

That's very different to a side with one player under 20 and 7 or 8 who are 21 or 22 like Freo on the weekend and to use those stats to claim we were "an older side" is misleading at best. It could be that Korn was lazy and just looked at the table you have provided but his ****en job is to talk about this shit in the media so its very poor from him.

Without Parker and Darling our average age just scrapes in at 24 and we had less twenty year olds playing this week than we have for most, maybe all of the season so far. Without those two our average games are 82.6 as well. Those two make up a huge chunk of our age and games played profiles and we have two 26 year olds in the weekend side with less than 30 games each.

There are no players in Freo's list that skew the age and games played stats like that.

Nat Fyfe has played 240 games and is the only player 30 or older on their list who played on the weekend. In fact their list and weekend side is nearly all in their 20s. We'll be in their position over the next 2-4 years.

The reason it doesn't tell the whole story is to do with the bolded bit above. Players under 21 have not done three full seasons at AFL level. Most players over 21 have and the 21 year olds are one or the other - Warlord who turned 21 during the week and has only had two and a half seasons at AFL level. That means the over 21s have most likely have four pre seasons as well. Its been said for years that it takes three seasons to get properly match fit for AFL so we have a large proportion of the side that isn't there yet.

And are lot of those players provide a good chunk of our effective output - Sheezel, Wardlaw, McKercher, Hardeman and even FOS most weeks and Kostansy and Hansen Jr on the weekend as well.

What Korn said was lazy and inaccurate. It provides a false picture of where we are really at.

Great read. I am certain the average age of North is the lowest in the comp though it must include all 44 listed players?



Cant rage too much about what the media and particular, Kornes says even though everything they spew about us pisses me off. His main goal is to generate clicks and attention to justify his future position. We unfortunately indulge him and keep him alive by getting so easily ruffled.

 

[ferball]

Great read. I am certain the average age of North is the lowest in the comp though it must include all 44 listed players?

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We have the youngest list. Richmond has the least experienced side averaging 52.7 at the start of the season (all those draft picks contribute to that,) with WC (61) next, then us (61.4).

Cant rage too much about what the media and particular, Kornes says even though everything they spew about us pisses me off. His main goal is to generate clicks and attention to justify his future position. We unfortunately indulge him and keep him alive by getting so easily ruffled.

I don't normally listen to him or care what he says anymore.

But I thought it was worth typing all that out here. There's still alot of angst about where we are at and not much faith in our ability to improve but the age of our players and the load being carried by the young guys as we noticeably improve is worth remembering if you are wondering where the scope for improvement is coming from. Our list age profile will resemble Freo's alot more over the next few years and when it does we'll have players who are playing now but are not properly match fit yet with proper match fitness.

I think that's what Kingy was trying to get at in that segment.

 

[see see]

Half of SA ****ed Tony McGuinness tbf

Malcolm Blight certainly did.

 

[hsquid]

Apart from the 22 on the park, we have a lot more quality youth out of the team than anyone except maybe Richmond:

Archer, Comben, Duursma, Whitlock, Goater, W. Dawson, George, Goad either best 22 or top 20 picks plus the more speculative ones. It's been a long time since we've had this amount of potential out of the team.

 

[zoomba23]

It could be that Korn was lazy and just looked at the table you have provided but his ****en job is to talk about this shit in the media so its very poor on brand from him.

This is the crux of the thing here imo

 

[gokangas]

Interesting rumour on the Rumour File (I know) this morning. Said that the 1975 premiership players have been invited to a reunion function to celebrate the 50th anniversary. Rumour is that at least 8 players have knocked back the invitation because it is just a stand up cocktail style function and they reckon it doesn't reflect the importance of the celebration.

 

[ferball]

This is the crux of the thing here imo

True.

 

[Tas]

Total Players By Games​
North Melbourne	Games	Fremantle
8	Less than 50	5
6	50 to 99	8
4	100 to 149	7
1	150 to 200	2
4	200 or more	1

It was a shit take, we are 18th in terms of age and experience, Fremantle is 12th I think. That is the entire list. It doesn't matter who is in or out from week to week, the list position at the start of the season doesn't change a whole lot by the end of the season.

Freo were younger than Richmond when they played, maybe Richmond has no excuse? Freo was younger than Crows when they beat them as well, maybe the Crows are shit? It is usually the mature range of the list that counts, the 25-28 or so year olds, not the relics. Fyfe was the oldest player playing and provides very little given his physical condition. His numbers don't really add a lot of value to Freo's position.

They have just had injuries to mature players, some like Aish are role players that can play but aren't exceptional and atm can't get a game.

O'Meara was unavailable due to injury, he is 31 years old and has 191 games of experience.
Pearce, also injured, 30 years old, 130 games.
Walters, injured, 34 years old, 239 games.
Aish, can't get a game, 29, 185 games
Narkle, injured, 27 years old, 59 games

I could go on but you get the point, they have a lot of depth, they have a fairly large mature group, their midfield is mature bodied. Serong is a midget and he weighs 87kg, he is heavier than our biggest midfielder and he isn't their biggest midfielder.

We didn't bring in Parker, Daniels and Darling in to push for a premiership, we brought them in to give us some stability because our mature end of our list was shithouse to non-existent.

Ross Lyon was at Freo between 2012 and 2019 and Longmuir since then, their players have been under 1 or 2 coaches, the club is stable, well financed, it has been drafting well for quite some time. That is great for Freo but they are a mostly mid table team. Yes, I currently dream about being mid table again but at the end of the day, every year there is one winner and 17 losers and there is no prize for being a mid table team. You end up in the Twilight zone where you aren't attractive for good playrs to want to go to and whilst you get good solid talent in the draft mid table, it is hard to build a premiership side largely from those players. The really good players Freo has they got in the draft when they were a shit team too. Their major advantage over us is they are in a two horse town so when a local wants to go home there isn't a lot of choice and the other horse atm looks like it is about to keel over.

When you look at our list, the concentration of talent is 22 or 23 and below with a handful above that age that another club would put on a list if we were to let them go. We are just in an insanely different position.

Brad Scott was in denial the last few seasons of his time with us, was trying to recruit players like Chopsticks, DeGoey, etc, was selling the club we didn't need a rebuild then when he couldn't convince anyone to come said we needed a rebuild. Shaw was a 1.5 year extension of the delusion. Then we got 2 years of Noble and part-time Roos. Now we have Clarko, LDU has had 4 coaches and however many interim coaches.

I think that we controlled the midfield for the vast majority of the game and have done similar to other good teams when the bulk of out midfield is quite young and inexperienced shows how far we have come in a short period of time. For someone to try to invent a negative out of what was a big positive for us goes to show how shit of a bloke Cornes is and I am disappointed in the other clown getting dragged down into the gutter with him.

 

[Mordecai]

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Anyone got this unpaywalled?

 

[tommy_uman]

Has anyone done the arden street tour with the players. Is it worth it?

 

[danj]

Interesting rumour on the Rumour File (I know) this morning. Said that the 1975 premiership players have been invited to a reunion function to celebrate the 50th anniversary. Rumour is that at least 8 players have knocked back the invitation because it is just a stand up cocktail style function and they reckon it doesn't reflect the importance of the celebration.

Or their assorted joint replacements fair dinkum we should do better than that

 

[Frank Thring]

I actually listened to that. Don't normally but wanted to hear what Kingy thought. Kane Cornes said Freo were younger than us. Freo had one player under 21 - Murphy Reid. (Their KPFs - Amiss and Voss - are each 21 tho. So are Erasmus and Draper.)

WE had five (cos George Wardlaw just turned 21 that week) - Hards, JK, Sheeze, Kerch and FOS. He's making shit up again.

Freo have alot of good players under 25 tho.

He's actually right. Freo's team on Saturday was younger in avg age and less experienced in games played. Yes we have more younger players, but we have more older players.

 

[danj]

Yeah I know that ...

... but it hides the fact that sometimes this year we have had 7 or 8 players under 21 in the side (and its almost always five or six players,) which is rarely matched by other sides. Only Richmond and on one occasion * afaik.

That's very different to a side with one player under 20 and 7 or 8 who are 21 or 22 like Freo on the weekend and to use those stats to claim we were "an older side" is misleading at best. It could be that Korn was lazy and just looked at the table you have provided but his ****en job is to talk about this shit in the media so its very poor from him.

Without Parker and Darling our average age just scrapes in at 24 and we had less twenty year olds playing this week than we have for most, maybe all of the season so far. Without those two our average games are 82.6 as well. Those two make up a huge chunk of our age and games played profiles and we have two 26 year olds in the weekend side with less than 30 games each.

There are no players in Freo's list that skew the age and games played stats like that.

Nat Fyfe has played 240 games and is the only player 30 or older on their list who played on the weekend. In fact their list and weekend side is nearly all in their 20s. We'll be in their position over the next 2-4 years.

The reason it doesn't tell the whole story is to do with the bolded bit above. Players under 21 have not done three full seasons at AFL level. Most players over 21 have and the 21 year olds are one or the other - Warlord who turned 21 during the week and has only had two and a half seasons at AFL level. That means the over 21s have most likely have four pre seasons as well. Its been said for years that it takes three seasons to get properly match fit for AFL so we have a large proportion of the side that isn't there yet.

And are lot of those players provide a good chunk of our effective output - Sheezel, Wardlaw, McKercher, Hardeman and even FOS most weeks and Kostansy and Hansen Jr on the weekend as well.

What Korn said was lazy and inaccurate. It provides a false picture of where we are really at.

You could add Daniel to Parker and Darling which get us closer to what I reckon is a fair comparison with other lists

 

[Frank Thring]

Great read. I am certain the average age of North is the lowest in the comp though it must include all 44 listed players?

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Cant rage too much about what the media and particular, Kornes says even though everything they spew about us pisses me off. His main goal is to generate clicks and attention to justify his future position. We unfortunately indulge him and keep him alive by getting so easily ruffled.

He was referring to the two teams which played on Saturday, not overall list

 

[zoomba23]

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Anyone got this unpaywalled?

I unpaywalled it before but for some reason it's not working anymore.

Nothing juicy in there iirc. Just expressed that he made some errors he shouldn't have, that he felt good about things until the hub struck and he was suddenly forced into situations he had no experience in, without proper support, that the boys were really good throughout that time, that he wishes them every success, and that Gold Coast has given him a new lease on coaching that he wasn't sure would come.

 

[DuckYeah]

Interesting rumour on the Rumour File (I know) this morning. Said that the 1975 premiership players have been invited to a reunion function to celebrate the 50th anniversary. Rumour is that at least 8 players have knocked back the invitation because it is just a stand up cocktail style function and they reckon it doesn't reflect the importance of the celebration.

Probably detest and reject the crap radical social justice warriors the once tough shinboners club has become

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Interesting rumour on the Rumour File (I know) this morning. Said that the 1975 premiership players have been invited to a reunion function to celebrate the 50th anniversary. Rumour is that at least 8 players have knocked back the invitation because it is just a stand up cocktail style function and they reckon it doesn't reflect the importance of the celebration.

If I think about it, I’m with them. It’s a more important anniversary than 100 years in the VFL/AFL, and we should celebrate these legends while we can.

 

[marklovesbeer]

Great read. I am certain the average age of North is the lowest in the comp though it must include all 44 listed players?

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Cant rage too much about what the media and particular, Kornes says even though everything they spew about us pisses me off. His main goal is to generate clicks and attention to justify his future position. We unfortunately indulge him and keep him alive by getting so easily ruffled.

I think about this a bit hey. You’d think it would be in his best interests to constantly attack a club like Carlton or Essendon?

I think he also does just ****ing hate us though.

 

[Harris 10]

Has anyone done the arden street tour with the players. Is it worth it?

Pricey for a 45 minute tour, it’s more than double the price of the MCG tour.

 

[King Corey]

Probably detest and reject the crap radical social justice warriors the once tough shinboners club has become

Rhyce is being a bit of a dick. His issues were not the club's fault.

 

[DuckYeah]

Rhyce is being a bit of a dick. His issues were not the club's fault.

Care to go on?

 

[berniemccarthy]

That is pretty disappointing if true. 1975 was the biggest thing to happen in the lifetime of many of our supporters at the time and for those of us who were there. Un effing forgettable. Should be carried in on sedan chairs the whole lot of them !

Interesting rumour on the Rumour File (I know) this morning. Said that the 1975 premiership players have been invited to a reunion function to celebrate the 50th anniversary. Rumour is that at least 8 players have knocked back the invitation because it is just a stand up cocktail style function and they reckon it doesn't reflect the importance of the celebrat

 

[King Corey]

Care to go on?

No. Enough people are across it.

Yes the club could've handled 2020 better on many fronts.

No Rhyce Shaw's trail off in performance and ungraceful exit is not the club's fault.

Think anyone who sees my posting regularly would know I'm not a club apologist.