Compensation announced

[philthy05]

how have people thought port made out okay in this??

pick 30 and 31 is pretty bad. odds are we will be lucky to find one average 22 player to replace 2 first 22 players.

the crap thing is if both players had asked to be traded it would have been done. and maybe we could have brought some south aussies home. picks 30 and 31 give us frak all to work with to bring a good player in. i mean, line up if you have a good young south aussie you would even consider those picks for? lol. what a joke.

murphy was worth nothing at all but pick 66 for young is stupid. afl have really screwed this up.

guys at the end of their careers like rivers / moloney or traditional psd types like murphy should be earning picks like 66, decent players like pearce, chaplin and young should have earnt better picks.

picks always should have been in ranges, not after team picks. ie, after bottom 4, after bottom 8, before top 4, end of first, 2nd round after bottom 4, 2nd round before top 4, mid 3rd, end of 3rd.

 

[Footypie32]

I wonder if some clubs would've tried harder to bring in some Free agents if they'd known how weak the compo picks would be? Looks like a lot of teams were relying on the compo picks to improve their sides.

 

[Selective Retention]

What you have to understand with Hawthorn is this.

1) Murphy would be a delist candidate anyway with the acquisition of Lake, same way as Gillies is for us with Rivers coming in. Not worth a sausage, good decision by the AFL.

2) Young is borderline 2nd round pick. 3rd round pick with the AFL being tough is not that surprising. When you are talking about pick 66, the issue there is Hawthorn's finishing position. Yes it is a rip off. Same way as because of Geelong's finishing position our Ablett compo was worth a shit load less than the same compensation given to Melbourne for Scully when Scully is not even fit to carry Ablett's kit bag.

 

[demon_dynasty13]

the compensation for Melbourne was bad, but I have to wonder if they have given us light compo since we were somewhat overcompensated for Tom Scullys departure

Overall Im not fussed, as we will move pick 49 on for Farren Ray i think

 

[Vim Fuego]

Hawthorn dudded with Clinton Young, but as a Melbourne supporter I am incensed..Brent Moloney (20 brownlow votes in 2011 + Jared Rivers 4th B&F & Rising star winner is suddenly worth Shannon Byrnes and a 3rd rounder.....bullshit).

How on earth is Chaplin worth pick 30??

ARGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

 

[Vim Fuego]

I think they got it right.

Hearing reports that Port were going to get an end of first round for Pearce/Chaplin or Melbourne a second round for Moloney was a stretch for mine.

All of them are spot- however, Clinton Young may have been worth slightly better than a 3rd round. I think what happened here is they thought Murphy was worth very little and thus averaged it out between Murphy and Young- thus they concluded a 3rd round.

They got it unbelievably wrong. Are you serious??

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Hawthorn dudded with Clinton Young, but as a Melbourne supporter I am incensed..Brent Moloney (20 brownlow votes in 2011 + Jared Rivers 4th B&F & Rising star winner is suddenly worth Shannon Byrnes and a 3rd rounder.....bullshit).

How on earth is Chaplin worth pick 30??

ARGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

No they weren't - Clinton Young at 26 is the equal youngest of any of the Free Agents. In terms of the formula - that puts the Hawks in the best position.

That leaves what Collingwood is paying him as the other factor - clearly they aren't paying him too much if at 26 he only generates a 3rd round pick

And if the pies aren't paying much, than the hawks were offering less. Why should they be greatly rewarded for a player that they weren't offering a decent deal to?

 

[SaintsManMat]

the compensation for Melbourne was bad, but I have to wonder if they have given us light compo since we were somewhat overcompensated for Tom Scullys departure

Overall Im not fussed, as we will move pick 49 on for Farren Ray i think

Doubt it....

 

[Badesumofu]

I don't see why Hawthorn should be entitled to compensation for losing Tom Murphy. He barely got a game this year, and would have been a reasonable chance to be delisted. Anyone who was expecting the compo to be of equal value to the player lost didn't understand the system. Hawthorn could have kept Clinton Young by offering him more money - the club decided that they were better off not doing that, and so let him go. We decided that the cap space we retain by not signing him is worth more than the player would have been. The real compensation is the cap space. If you were expecting a valuable draft pick as well, you just don't understand the system.

 

[rhaz]

I find our picks completely fair, Moloney is shot and Rivers is overrated. Port's however - no way... they got way more than deserved.

 

[AM]

Hawthorn dudded with Clinton Young, but as a Melbourne supporter I am incensed..Brent Moloney (20 brownlow votes in 2011 + Jared Rivers 4th B&F & Rising star winner is suddenly worth Shannon Byrnes and a 3rd rounder.....bullshit).

How on earth is Chaplin worth pick 30??

ARGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

The Hawks have been dealt a rough hand. But somehow, hard as I try, I just can't muster up any sympathy for them.

You'll get value from Byrnes. He's got 3 or 4 more years of ones football left in him.

 

[Footy Mad]

Those Melbourne posters who laid into me for saying Byrnes would cancel out Rivers..... I'm waiting....

Melbourne are clueless they have absolutely stuffed this free agency period up. 1 or 2 more years of this and they are finished. Good bye good night last one out the door switch the lights off. Somebody needs to be sacked at MFC for this mistake - but I bet you they and their supporters will blame the AFL.

 

[Scotland]

Why did Adelaide get nothing for Chris Knights?

And why are Melbourne fans complaining? They've been telling us all year how much of a front runner Moloney is...

Pick 62 is pretty crap for Lynch, I reckon we could've done better in a trade.

 

[Vim Fuego]

The Hawks have been dealt a rough hand. But somehow, hard as I try, I just can't muster up any sympathy for them.

You'll get value from Byrnes. He's got 3 or 4 more years of ones football left in him.

I'm very happy with Boo-urns He's a great lad and a good footballer..I just object to the compensation offered to both Hawthorn and us. It's more of an insult than compensation..

If anyone can inform me on how Chaplin is worth pick 31 while Jared Rivers is apparently worth pick 49 and Moloney is the equivalent of Byrnes, i'd really like to hear.

Discuss..

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Why did Adelaide get nothing for Chris Knights?
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Because clearly he is on a pittance at Richmond. He is a reserves player and would have been most likely on the scrapheap at Adelaide.

Why should they be rewarded for that?

 

[Vim Fuego]

Why did Adelaide get nothing for Chris Knights?

And why are Melbourne fans complaining? They've been telling us all year how much of a front runner Moloney is...

Pick 62 is pretty crap for Lynch, I reckon we could've done better in a trade.

Moloney had 20 brownlow votes last year and won our best & fairest. It's a bit like calling Bryce Gibbs a front-runner...

 

[strobe00]

Can someone confirm where these selections are to take place though?

Are they at the end of each of those rounds listed or in between?

Right after their pick in that round, I thought.

 

[Scotland]

Moloney had 20 brownlow votes last year and won our best & fairest. It's a bit like calling Bryce Gibbs a front-runner...

I'm not the one that thinks Moloney is a dud, nor am I complaining about his FA compo.

 

[strobe00]

I think we will - our compo pick sits as our 3rd selection.

With the only likely trade of stevens our and cripps in, I don't see us strengthening our draft picks.

So I would be surprised if we don't use it.

Any rookies to upgrade with that third pick, or is it likely to be a live one?

 

[toddles88]

What you have to understand with Hawthorn is this.

1) Murphy would be a delist candidate anyway with the acquisition of Lake, same way as Gillies is for us with Rivers coming in. Not worth a sausage, good decision by the AFL.

2) Young is borderline 2nd round pick. 3rd round pick with the AFL being tough is not that surprising. When you are talking about pick 66, the issue there is Hawthorn's finishing position. Yes it is a rip off. Same way as because of Geelong's finishing position our Ablett compo was worth a shit load less than the same compensation given to Melbourne for Scully when Scully is not even fit to carry Ablett's kit bag.

Not true about Ablett and Scully's compensation picks. These selections have nothing to do with the year the player was signed by the new clubs. Where their picks take place in the draft depends on their finishing position in the year they choose to activate the selection (which could have been a few years later). These clubs could have waited for a year they were expected to not perform as well before activating their selection. Hawthorn have no choice. Our pick is based on finishing as runner-up. We don't have a choice to wait 3 years before activating it. It is unbelievable that Moloney and Young can be judged of equal value yet the clubs receive compensation selections about 20 picks apart. It should have nothing to do with ladder position but rather be allocated as a start of round, middle of round or end of round selection.

 

[MrKK]

How come Port got 2 picks? I thought the 'net gain/loss' formula would give a club maximum 1 compo pick, albeit higher if they lost 2 players.

 

[Vim Fuego]

Melbourne are clueless they have absolutely stuffed this free agency period up. 1 or 2 more years of this and they are finished. Good bye good night last one out the door switch the lights off. Somebody needs to be sacked at MFC for this mistake - but I bet you they and their supporters will blame the AFL.

How have we stuffed up free agency?? We brought in a player who fills a need, and offloaded players who were taking up salary space but not adding to our long term goals?? We've done well, we were just screwed over by the person who handed out compensation picks.

Switching the lights off??? So I guess it'll be just like Adelaide at 8pm on a Saturday night? We couldn't possibly match Adelaide's roster of departed star players Tippett, Davis, Bock, etc..

If you guys can't convince your players that Adelaide isn't more than a place where people go to die, you'll probably be out of business soon as well.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Any rookies to upgrade with that third pick, or is it likely to be a live one?

not sure yet.

If we get cripps and lose Stevens - we will be net down 2 players this year.

So if we only delist 1 more than pick will most likely be a rookie upgrade for Dick i'd imagine.

However if we delist 2 more or don't upgrade Dick - that pick will be live

 

[Selective Retention]

Not true about Ablett and Scully's compensation picks. These selections have nothing to do with the year the player was signed by the new clubs. Where their picks take place in the draft depends on their finishing position in the year they choose to activate the selection (which could have been a few years later). These clubs could have waited for a year they were expected to not perform as well before activating their selection. Hawthorn have no choice. Our pick is based on finishing as runner-up. We don't have a choice to wait 3 years before activating it. It is unbelievable that Moloney and Young can be judged of equal value yet the clubs receive compensation selections about 20 picks apart. It should have nothing to do with ladder position but rather be allocated as a start of round, middle of round or end of round selection.

They do have a use by and Geelong were never going to fall as low as Melbourne this year in that period so it is relevant but I do take your point as well.

 

[strobe00]

Scrap compo if they cant even get it right

I think the age + contract value equation can really distort the compo, if they're the only criteria.

Surely an average of their last couple of years in the club B&F should be factored in. Wouldn't have thought that'd be such a difficult equation to sort out.

Hmmm... that wouldn't work if the player was injured for part of the season. Number of votes in the club B&F per game played, and a minimum number of games played?

Maybe it isn't that easy to sort out. But it should have some bearing on the compo.