Compensation Picks

[sexyresults]

I'm thinking something fairly similar to Bock

 

[whatboutbob]

Bock compo inadequate: Crows

Crows football operations general manager Phil Harper said the club was disappointed with the AFL’s decision.

“We believe that if Nathan was available on the open market he would certainly attract much more than a first round draft pick from another club,” Harper said.

“He was an All-Australian two years ago when he also won our club champion award , is only 27 and if he was still on our list right now he would be rated right near the top. We believe that compensation for a player of Nathan’s ilk would a minimum of band two, which equates to the same in 2010 and 2011 but would be after our first round pick in any of the next three drafts.

 

[jackess]

Bock compo inadequate: Crows

The whole idea of the extra teams is the watering down of the talent pool at least in the short term. With extra teams the standard of the AFL will decrease. Therefore if you lose a player to the GC you will not get adequate compensation.

 

[luthor]

Could somebody please explain to me exactly what "end" of first round actually means, bearing in mind GC are going to get all these "priority" picks and also bearing in mind that this year's spooners (WCE) aren't even getting into the frame until pick ....umm.....pick 6 is it?

And our first pick (according to the natural order of things) wiil in fact be pick 12....is that right?

Trying to work out what the "end" of round one is going to be is doing my head in.

Moreover,if the Crows (as unhappy as they already are) get an "end" of first round pick for Bock and (say) we also get an "end" of first round pick for Riska and/or Brennan, how the bloody hell is that going to work?


I mean, end means END doesn't

How can two or more clubs all have an "end" of round anything pick?

I'm really confused

 

[whatboutbob]

Could somebody please explain to me exactly what "end" of first round actually means, bearing in mind GC are going to get all these "priority" picks and also bearing in mind that this year's spooners (WCE) aren't even getting into the frame until pick ....umm.....pick 6 is it?

And our first pick (according to the natural order of things) wiil in fact be pick 12....is that right?

Trying to work out what the "end" of round one is going to be is doing my head in.

Moreover,if the Crows (as unhappy as they already are) get an "end" of first round pick for Bock and (say) we also get an "end" of first round pick for Riska and/or Brennan, how the bloody hell is that going to work?

I mean, end means END doesn't

How can two or more clubs all have an "end" of round anything pick?

I'm really confused

Compensation rules:

The selection for Nathan Bock may be activated by the Adelaide Crows at the end of round one in any one of the 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 or 2014 NAB AFL Draft selection meetings.

The selection will be immediately placed after the selection of the premiership team of that season (which concludes round one), and any compensation pick under AFL Rule 6 (In 2010, West Coast will receive a selection under this rule).

In the case of two or more clubs activating an end of round one selection in the one AFL Draft meeting, the club(s) that is (are) placed lower on the premiership ladder in that particular season will be placed first in the selection order.

 

[luthor]

Thanks WAB

I needed that.

It actually makes sense(kinda)

The "saving up" of the pick to later years has still got me a bit confused but I get the general drift

 

[JasRulz63]

The "saving up" of the pick to later years has still got me a bit confused but I get the general drift

Well one reason is because this season, with GC (and next year with GWS) in the draft, the "last pick of the first round" is later than it normally would be (pick 26 this season). So if you "save" it up 'till the draft is back to normal, than your pick will be earlier (pick 19 with GWS and GC in the comp).

There's also that stuff to do with GC taking 17 year old's who would've been in this draft, but I'm not to sure about that, so I'll leave that to someone else.

 

[Quigley]

The whole concept of future earnings that the AFL are talking about should help push our pick up especially if he is this year's B&F. Bock is injury prone and declining whilst it could be argued that Rischitelli is on his way up and his future earnings will be higher being only 24. Personally I am thinking he is between a band 2 and band 3 and hopefully the AFL will slot him into a band 2 because they seem to be screwing us with everything else in this whole thing.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yeah, even if the AFL give us a band 3, the B&F thing will give the Lions some sort of ammunition should they choose to appeal.

 

[blynd_freddie]

The whole concept of future earnings that the AFL are talking about should help push our pick up especially if he is this year's B&F. Bock is injury prone and declining whilst it could be argued that Rischitelli is on his way up and his future earnings will be higher being only 24. Personally I am thinking he is between a band 2 and band 3 and hopefully the AFL will slot him into a band 2 because they seem to be screwing us with everything else in this whole thing.

Totally agree Quigs - the band selection is heavily weighted on the salary the GC offer eg would you offer Bock a 27 year old with a solid form past B&F etc yet questionable current injury concerns more than a 24 year old, currently in career best form, 22 2010 games and a 2010 B&F?

One can only hope if Riscka had agreed in principal in the ‘window’ early this year that $values had not been agreed on. If they had Bock would be rated higher if not…

I also expect/hope a band 2 is offered.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Anyone know what band 2 compensation is?

 

[whatboutbob]

Anyone know what band 2 compensation is?

From the Adelaide quote:

“He was an All-Australian two years ago when he also won our club champion award , is only 27 and if he was still on our list right now he would be rated right near the top. We believe that compensation for a player of Nathan’s ilk would a minimum of band two, which equates to the same in 2010 and 2011 but would be after our first round pick in any of the next three drafts.

And Band 1 is two first round picks.

 

[sexyresults]

Thinking about it really Rischitelli should be in band 2, and Bock probably should be as well.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If Rischitelli is today's announcement as the Courier Mail expects, we may know the decided compensation by the end of the day.

Rischa's deal is reportedly 2 million dollars over 4 years.

I'm still expecting Band 3 - End of First Round pick, but it wouldn't surprise me if the club officially appealed based on B&F position.

 

[NoelMugavin]

Band 3? compensation may as well be a used band-aid

 

[Balony_pony16]

I wonder if the AFL will take into account Risky 2010 form? Because the only thing that is driving up his compensation value is his chance for the B&F. If the Combo was worked out on past years we are screwed!!!

Remember that the AFL have worked out Bocks compensation pick for the crows prior t their B&F

 

[whatboutbob]

Rischitelli Compensation Announced: End of Round One Selection

The Brisbane Lions were formally notified today of the compensation national draft selection it would receive in return for having had an uncontracted player elect to join the newly-formed Gold Coast Football Club.

Under the List Establishment Rules for the Gold Coast Football Club, the AFL's 17th team has the right to select one uncontracted player from each of the current 16 AFL clubs, with a compensation package to be determined in one of five bands, based on the new contract offer to the player and his future earning / playing capacity.

It had been determined that the Brisbane Lions would receive an end of Round One selection for Michael Rischitelli.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Appeal!

 

[headache1]

Band 3? compensation may as well be a used band-aid

It sucks, but we only got Band 3 for an AA Key Position Player. So you can't feel too hard done by.

 

[Panthera]

Appeal!

What, why, what pick range is this???

 

[Axel.]

So if we use it this year it's pick 26?

 

[headache1]

What, why, what pick range is this???

End of first round pick to be nominated for use in any of the next 5 drafts. Whether or not the club has to actually nominate to use it before the season starts or after, I'm not sure. Obviously using it this year or the year after isn't the best idea.

The short answer is, you'll get pick 19 for him at best. I say at best because there is no guarantee another club wont use a compensation pick in the same year and I have no idea how they work out who picks first in this case.

 

[tate13]

It sucks, but we only got Band 3 for an AA Key Position Player. So you can't feel too hard done by.

It's a little different with a bloke 5 years younger, just hitting his prime. With all respect to Bock, he's just come off an injury-riddled year (and other dramas) with his best probably behind him.

 

[whatboutbob]

End of first round pick to be nominated for use in any of the next 5 drafts. Whether or not the club has to actually nominate to use it before the season starts or after, I'm not sure. Obviously using it this year or the year after isn't the best idea.

Apart from this year, where the deadline is Nov 5th, clubs need to notify the AFL by the end of the preceding calendar year that they intend to use their compensation picks in the follow draft. eg if they want to use it next year they need to get in before Jan 1, 2011.

The short answer is, you'll get pick 19 for him at best. I say at best because there is no guarantee another club wont use a compensation pick in the same year and I have no idea how they work out who picks first in this case.

Whoever was lower on the ladder picks first.

 

[Panthera]

Pick 26 this year seems fair enough

Rischatelli is no superstar and has massive limitations in his game.

Maybe we could pick up a Beams in this draft; we'd all forget about Michael pretty quickly