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tate13 said:
It's a little different with a bloke 5 years younger, just hitting his prime. With all respect to Bock, he's just come off an injury-riddled year (and other dramas) with his best probably behind him.
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The age difference is only 3 years. I tend to agree that the Crows should feel a bit dudded, but I also think Rischa has marginally more value than Bock given their respective recent form and ages. As I've stated previously though I think band 2 is marginally over-paying while band 3 is under-paying. Unfortunately it seems the AFL aren't going to be overly-generous in this process for anyone bar Ablett. It will be interesting to see who they do value as a Band 2.
 
tate13 said:
It's a little different with a bloke 5 years younger, just hitting his prime. With all respect to Bock, he's just come off an injury-riddled year (and other dramas) with his best probably behind him.
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It's actually 3 years younger (Bock is 27, Rischi 24) and with all respect to Rischitelli, he's just another mid-fielder. Key Position Players don't grow on trees and I would be very surprised if GC didn't value Bock as far more important to their development than Rischitelli.

I don't mean for this to offend anyone by the way, just offering my views. To be honest, both should be Band 2 IMO. At this stage it looks as though the only player who could possibly hope to qualify for Band 1 is G Ablett.
 
headache1 said:
It's actually 3 years younger (Bock is 27, Rischi 24) and with all respect to Rischitelli, he's just another mid-fielder. Key Position Players don't grow on trees and I would be very surprised if GC didn't value Bock as far more important to their development than Rischitelli.

I don't mean for this to offend anyone by the way, just offering my views. To be honest, both should be Band 2 IMO. At this stage it looks as though the only player who could possibly hope to qualify for Band 1 is G Ablett.
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The thing is, they're boiling it down to a player's financial value and future potential earnings.

Assuming (as risky as it is) that the dollar figures in the media are anywhere near accurate (or at least equally inflated) and that both will play til they're 30, Bock would earn $2.25m (3 x $750k) as opposed to Rischa earning $3m (6 x $500k).

Further to that, given their respective injury histories which would you put your money on playing longer?
 

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whatboutbob said:
The thing is, they're boiling it down to a player's financial value and future potential earnings.

Assuming (as risky as it is) that the dollar figures in the media are anywhere near accurate (or at least equally inflated) and that both will play til they're 30, Bock would earn $2.25m (3 x $750k) as opposed to Rischa earning $3m (6 x $500k).

Further to that, given their respective injury histories which would you put your money on playing longer?
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Ah right. See I've read everything from that, to current form, to B&F/All-Australian as being the major deciding factor in how they are ranking players. It's good to see somebody has been able to make some sense of it all haha.

I certainly think Rischitelli will be playing for GC longer than Bock, but then I don't think that Rischitelli is the same calibre of player either. Not yet anyway. But as you were alluding to with the injury history, despite trouble early in his career, Rischi has managed to string together 22 games in a row for the past 2 seasons. Bock has managed I think 14 and 13 games repsectively for 2009-2010, so that has to weigh into it. *If he can get his fitness back up, I have no doubt he'll be an All-Australian CHB again.

IMO, all things considered, their current value should be roughly the same. Whether either are Band 2 is probably debatable at this stage, but I think the compensation Band 3 offers is a bit of a slap in the face. As you mentioned a few posts back, Band 2 gives too much, while Band 3 gives too little. The gap between the two is ridiculous.


*I know it's a big if
 
Panthera said:
Pick 26 this year seems fair enough :cool:

Rischatelli is no superstar and has massive limitations in his game.

Maybe we could pick up a Beams in this draft; we'd all forget about Michael pretty quickly ;)
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Finally, gotta agree with you, P.
 
Re: Jared Brennan

chopperduck said:
Good outcome. I think Brennan demands a better draft pick via a club to club trade than Riska would. If Brennan is going to go, it would be good if he went to the GC in exchange for one of their early picks. Means we could get 2 picks around the top 10, and keep Riska's compo pick for a couple of years until it is worth more.

Upon saying all of that, i do still hope Brennan stays. He is just a delight to watch, even if he is a littel frustrating at times.
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Na use all three this yeah. Effectvely would give us three in top 25ish and four in top 40. Top up young guys now.
 
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And the AFL screws us again.

Hawthorn get a first round pick for Campbell Brown.

WTF??? How on earth can they possibly justify that. Surely the Lions must appeal the Rischitelli compensation.
 
Re: Jared Brennan

quigley said:
and the afl screws us again.

Hawthorn get a first round pick for campbell brown.

Wtf??? How on earth can they possibly justify that. Surely the lions must appeal the rischitelli compensation.
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wtf???!!!!
 
What the ****!

He'll be 28 next year.

I'd certainly rather have Bock than Brown, that's for sure.

Baffling decision. People need to email the club and encourage them to appeal the Rischitelli decision in light of this.
 

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Sooo that means he's in the Band 2 category?

Biggest bullshit. I wouldn't trade for him for a second round pick let alone a first.
 
Re: Jared Brennan

Quigley said:
Hawthorn get a first round pick for Campbell Brown.
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It always made me a little uneasy that Vic powerbrokers were going to decide what non-Vic players are worth compared to Vic ones. Only need to look at recent AA sides to see he lack of knowledge of anything outside Vic.
 

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TheBrownDog said:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103436/default.aspx

That article doesn't say anything about those picks being at the "end of the first round" if used this year or next. :confused: Did the AFL backflip on that too?
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Did you mean this....

"The selections can be used in any of the next five national drafts, or they can be traded to another club.

One of the selections can be taken after Geelong’s usual first-round pick (dependant of ladder position), while the other will be placed in the middle of the first round regardless of where the Cats finish on the ladder."
 
Just wondering what everyone's thoughts were as to if we don't trade Brennan's compensation pick and receive the Harbrow compensation pick for Sherman; how many of the three compensation picks we should use?

I would be for using one or at most two picks - giving us 4/5 picks in the first 35 (5, one/two compo picks, additional Brennan pick, our second rounder).

I feel we should leave at least one for 2012 onwards when the drafts aren't compromised any more.
 
choco123 said:
Just wondering what everyone's thoughts were as to if we don't trade Brennan's compensation pick and receive the Harbrow compensation pick for Sherman; how many of the three compensation picks we should use?

I would be for using one or at most two picks - giving us 4/5 picks in the first 35 (5, one/two compo picks, additional Brennan pick, our second rounder).

I feel we should leave at least one for 2012 onwards when the drafts aren't compromised any more.
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I’m also wondering with the current suggestions of salary cap tightness that if the compensation picks are ‘banked’ until the end of the compromised period – are they given a $value to be part of the salary cap?

If not – obviously there is a reflected savings of, for arguments sake, 2 players short/less on the playing list
 
I think it's too hard to get our head around until after trade week when we know exactly what draft picks we have, and how many of those are compo picks. Im also not sure how traded compo picks work, ie, if they are worked off of the original club, or the new club that now holds the pick.

Wouldn't be surprised if we saved 1 or 2 depending on what picks we end up with. You would normally take 4 or 5 rookies in a draft, and we have that covered pretty easy already.
 

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