Toast Congrats Mick

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

Bucks was on SEN this morning and confirmed they don't have a relationship.
Even said Mick is prepared to re-write history to say they don't/didn't get along, (words to that effect).
Bucks has and always will be the better man IMO.

Hahaha because Nathan never re-writes history at all haha that’s just hilarious.

Do you bucks lovers have to invade every thread with your negative, tunnel vision and apologist agenda?

Malthouse record as coach speaks for itself. Remind me again did MM lose a GF cause he can’t implement a red time strategy?

Mick, I always be indebted to you for all you did to make Collingwood a finals contender, and almost premiership contender, year after year.

The only coach in VFL/AFL history to make finals with each 4 clubs he coached. I doubt anyone will beat that record.

Responsible for the Weagles being the powerhouse they are today. And made Collingwood relevant again.

Always looked to maximise talent regardless of who you were, what personality you had or whether you liked a drink.

In time, once the Buckley is done and dusted, I hope he gets the love and recognition deserves from ALL pies fans and is acknowledged as being the greatest coach we’ve had since McHale.

Ultimately, no matter how many flags he wins, Buckley won’t ever be in the McHale or Malthouse league because neither of those guys would have lost the unloseable premiership in 2018. Both McHale and Malthouse would have implemented a decent red time strategy and got our 16th flag.

 

[theprospector]

Mick is a premiership coach at our club. Leave his beef with Buckley to between them and celebrate what he achieved at our club.

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

I don't understand for the life of me.. how someone can let their ego and self worth get in the way of winning a premiership.. particularly someone who was involved in the game for 30 yrs.. as a coach.

How does one survive for that long acting like Mick?

Or am I wrong here.. is it a generational gap thingimagigy we just don't get. Was Micks behaviour normal for someone his age and that re.. most of us don't understand the whole Instagram vlakia craze and that re that Martha tried explaining to us on MAFS..

Maybe it's not about criticizing MM or Martha.

Maybe it is what it is.

You can’t understand an ego that gets in the way of a premiership. Ladies and gentlemen I give you exhibit A - Mr Nathan Buckley. Should have step aside to give Mick the reigns until at least 2014. Cost a decent tilt at flags in 12/13 and 14

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Always a favourite of mine, loved his pressers after a loss, congrats Mick, well deserved.

 

[Markfs]

The club itself admits he is basically an enemy of the club now. Great supporter you are.

someone needs to tell the collingwood employee who is running the Pie website that the club shouldnt be congratulating him....

 

[good4footy]

There has only been one unlosable flag-2011. One of the highest ranked seasons by a club by stas in history and he didn't coach us to a win. The loss masterminded by the hall of famer himself.

I know people get protective of him by saying he should never have anything bad said about him because of 2010 but his legacy should also always include 2011.

I agree with everything Bucks said today but wish he just left it alone. We are going well, are in contention don't need this crap. Everyone knows he is a muppett- one of the most disliked people in footy.

 

[Wackajack]

No, just want a nice civil thread but obviously that is impossible because some people can’t be nice or not post, they have to do everything to bring someone down just to feel big about them selves. That’s why a took a whole season off bigfooty because of the toxic nature I’m here.

Cry us a river mate, Mick used up all the runs he had with his behaviour in his last year and the following years after. Yes we are all thankful for the premiership and what he did for the club. But the club is bigger than one person and we all know he wants to see us fail. After 8 years he still can't get over it.

 

[loki04]

Congratulations to Mick Malthouse was a great coach over many many years and gave us some great memories not just the 2010 Premiership but the 01-03 team and the 2011 ride.

 

[Wackajack]

You can’t understand an ego that gets in the way of a premiership. Ladies and gentlemen I give you exhibit A - Mr Nathan Buckley. Should have step aside to give Mick the reigns until at least 2014. Cost a decent tilt at flags in 12/13 and 14

Lmao get Micks dong out of your mouth. After all those years he got one flag, that's it. He coached us to three losses, and a bounce away from 4 losses and 0 wins. There is some serious mental gymnastics going on if you think we had any chance beyond 2011, the game changed and went past us and one of the greatest teams ever went on a 3-peat. Saying he would have won one of those is like saying imagine if he stayed on as coaching director, we could of won 10 flags in a row herp derp.

 

[barrackers]

Malthouse record as coach speaks for itself. Remind me again did MM lose a GF cause he can’t implement a red time strategy?

Have never rewatched it, but Lions kicked one late in 2002.

The 2007 prelim ended with the ball in Pendlebury’s hands on forward 50. Had we won that match we were good chances for the flag regardless of the clubs ongoing failure to bring in a bigger ruck in the preceding years.

Not red time, but the failure to move an injured Reid off Hawkins played a part in costing us the 2011 flag. Malthouse’s comments on the footy show didn’t help either.

Mick, I always be indebted to you for all you did to make Collingwood a finals contender, and almost premiership contender, year after year.

2000, 2001, 2004, 2005?

The only coach in VFL/AFL history to make finals with each and every club he coached. I doubt anyone will beat that record.

McHale and Matthews have achieved this and without research I’m sure there’s several others.

Responsible for the Weagles being the powerhouse they are today. And made Collingwood relevant again.

Always looked to maximise talent regardless of who you were, what personality you had or whether you liked a drink.

In time, once the Buckley is done and dusted, I hope he gets the love and recognition deserves from ALL pies fans and is acknowledged as being the greatest coach we’ve had since McHale.

Yep, Malthouse certainly done a lot of good things in footy too although I’m not sure if giving players a long leash was 100% positive. Just look at WC’s drug problem of the mid-2000s with key figures having also played under Malthouse.

Ultimately, no matter how many flags he wins, Buckley won’t ever be in the McHale or Malthouse league because neither of those guys would have lost the unloseable premiership in 2018. Both McHale and Malthouse would have implemented a decent red time strategy and got our 16th flag.

Perhaps, perhaps not - both lost close grand finals.

WC were better than us across the home and away series; they should have been favourites entering the GF.

Our sixteenth flag should have been achieved along time ago.

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

There has only been one unlosable flag-2011. One of the highest ranked seasons by a club by stas in history and he didn't coach us to a win. The loss masterminded by the hall of famer himself.

I know people get protective of him by saying he should never have anything bad said about him because of 2010 but his legacy should also always include 2011.

I agree with everything Bucks said today but wish he just left it alone. We are going well, are in contention don't need this crap. Everyone knows he is a muppett- one of the most disliked people in footy.

How was 2011 unlosable haha we were walking wounded by June. Talk about revisionist history. We were lucky to even make the GF.

Remind me again, when we’re we 29 points up vs Cats? When were we ahead with 3 mins left in the 4th again? Did Grundy and Howe carry severe injuries into the game like Jolly and Reid?

 

[BringouttheGimp]

You can’t understand an ego that gets in the way of a premiership. Ladies and gentlemen I give you exhibit A - Mr Nathan Buckley. Should have step aside to give Mick the reigns until at least 2014. Cost a decent tilt at flags in 12/13 and 14

Perhaps Micks reaction was as a direct result of not being in that position for 30 yrs.. Mick being at the club for what 10 yrs at the time.. having close enough relationships with Ed and the like at the club.. for those involved in the sp decision.. not being able to foresee Micks reaction to it.. well the onus is on them. Not on Mick. Mick is who he is.

So in my opinion they shoulda just sacked him when they thought the time was right.. or kept him for a coupla more yrs or whatever. This sp role was bs.

There's so much more to it though.. shit that will never be made public. And if it was.. who are we to believe again.

What I know is this.. The club should always bloody come first no matter what.. but not all of us bloody get it.

 

[good4footy]

How was 2011 unlosable haha we were walking wounded by June. Talk about revisionist history. We were lucky to even make the GF.

Remind me again, when we’re we 29 points up vs Cats? When were we ahead with 3 mins left in the 4th again? Did Grundy and Howe carry severe injuries into the game like Jolly and Reid?

If i want to discuss things with opposition supporters I will head over to the main board

P.S. 19 points up in 2011.

 

[sr36]

Bucks was on SEN this morning and confirmed they don't have a relationship.
Even said Mick is prepared to re-write history to say they don't/didn't get along, (words to that effect).
Bucks has and always will be the better man IMO.

I daresay Bucks is spot on and I daresay your final line is correct, but why the hell is Bucks commenting and presenting an opportunity for the same distraction of 2011 to rear its head again inside and outside the club? If ever there was a time for footy speak it was when being asked about Malthouse and his relationship.

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

Mick is a premiership coach at our club. Leave his beef with Buckley to between them and celebrate what he achieved at our club.

Valid point. I’d love nothing more than for this thread to just focus on his obvious greatness and achievements.

However, when other posters deride him and take pot shots at him because of their clear bias for all things Nathan, I feel the need to provide the counter arguments.

There appears only one viewpoint when it comes to Mick for many posters on here. Which is very sad. Its the Nathan knows best viewpoint. The fact Malthouse was forced out the door early by Pert, Craig Kelly and Nathan yapping in Ed’s ear is always glossed over.

It was never in the best interests of Collingwood to push Mick out the door, and replace him with a former Captain that would take 7 seasons to resemble a somewhat half decent AFL coach.

But alas, you are right let’s focus on the positives 1999 to 2011 was a glorious ride for all that lived it. Thanks again Mick you master manipulator and rat cunning son of a gun!! Hahaha

 

[Markfs]

Brad Hardie was quite a surprise and the Malthouse connection is interesting too. I remember him winning the brownlow. At the time, there were a lot of puzzling counts. Keith Greig won it twice because he looked like a 2 year old filly with white anklets. Greg Wells won it for Melbourne when he adopted the anklets and peroxided his hair. Graeme Teasdale looked like a male model and I always assumed that a number of the umpis had a crush on him. And then there was the Footscray game plan where Brad could charge down the ground from the back pocket at a time when players stayed in their zones. I just had a look at Brad's stats and he had as many in his second year as his first, yet Malthouse dragged him in the second year and the battlelines were set and Hardie was never going to win. Josh Jenkins take note.

Then he goes to Brisbane and is largely forgotten. As he said last night, he did kick 50 goals one season which surprises me now.

Evidently he was in a fire. I always thought his motley face was due to many Robbos down the pub after work. He works on 6PR in Perth which is the racing station over here, and he wrote a column for the sunday paper. I read it once or twice. I thought he was a stirrer and that's about it. No one ever treated him as any different. I think he was a big supporter of Mick, but then again he might have been the opposite.

Next year I expect Adam Cooney and Brian Wilson to get nominated...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I daresay Bucks is spot on and I daresay your final line is correct, but why the hell is Bucks commenting and presenting an opportunity for the same distraction of 2011 to rear its head again inside and outside the club? If ever there was a time for footy speak it was when being asked about Malthouse and his relationship.

Fair point. Good point.

When listening to it live, just sounded like he was being candid and kind of complimenting Mick on his ruthless quest for success and his focus. And understanding how Mick was ruthless in his quests.
He praised Mick’s picks as captains.

TWO SCENARIOS:

ONE:

I just think he was too relaxed in a candid conversation and the alarm bell didn’t go off as he thought he’s praising Mick in a way and understanding him.

TWO:

He kind of knew there might be some controversy but thought that’s better than over focus on Beams and the taking away the focus of media on his team.
Not sure, more likely scenario one.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Cost us 3 flags through poor recruiting
Cost us 1 flag through poor coaching and a selfish attitude
Needed a kick up the arse and 2 cracks for the one he DID manage
Reneged on a deal to stay at the CLub
Iced out arguably our greatest ever player and now coach due to shit attitude
Took pot shots at Collingwood greats on his way out after we lost a Granny he cost us
Went to the sworn enemy out of spite
Continued to take shots in the media

Congrats on the Hall of Fame you old prick

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Valid point. I’d love nothing more than for this thread to just focus on his obvious greatness and achievements.

However, when other posters deride him and take pot shots at him because of their clear bias for all things Nathan, I feel the need to provide the counter arguments.

There appears only one viewpoint when it comes to Mick for many posters on here. Which is very sad. Its the Nathan knows best viewpoint. The fact Malthouse was forced out the door early by Pert, Craig Kelly and Nathan yapping in Ed’s ear is always glossed over.

It was never in the best interests of Collingwood to push Mick out the door, and replace him with a former Captain that would take 7 seasons to resemble a somewhat half decent AFL coach.

But alas, you are right let’s focus on the positives 1999 to 2011 was a glorious ride for all that lived it. Thanks again Mick you master manipulator and rat cunning son of a gun!! Hahaha

But who do you actually barrack for?

Because if you do barrack for Collingwood that’s some abusive relationship you have going there.

But each to their own.

 

[sirlothie]

Fair point. Good point.

When listening to it live, just sounded like he was being candid and kind of complimenting Mick on his ruthless quest for success and his focus. And understanding how Mick was ruthless in his quests.
He praised Mick’s picks as captains.

TWO SCENARIOS:

ONE:

I just think he was too relaxed in a candid conversation and the alarm bell didn’t go off as he thought he’s praising Mick in a way and understanding him.

TWO:

He kind of knew there might be some controversy but thought that’s better than over focus on Beams and the taking away the focus of media on his team.
Not sure, more likely scenario one.

I haven't listened to it but looking at the quotes Bucks got on record how he really feels and maybe he had to do that but please God don't let us all this drag back up all season, it's ancient history now in football terms. Bucks was particularly stinging in his comments which is unlike the normally very measured person he is... but I don't think he meant to take a piece off Mick, he was just being candid about his qualities.

 

[Markfs]

Forgive the intrusion but i have to share this classic Malthouse story.
Back in 2013 I was studying at Latrobe Uni Bundoora and was lining up for a Vietnamese Pork Roll in the Union building and lo and behold Mr Malthouse was in front of me in the line (he was lecturing their at the time).
The Vietnamese gentleman running the bakery serves Mick his roll and then gives Mick a funny look and states "Hey I know you, your that footy coach right?"
To which Malthouses terse response was "Used to be" and storms off roll in hand!
Still one of the funniest things i have ever seen, you couldnt have scripted it better

so the vietnamese guy knew that he was a footy coach but couldn't put a name to him? have you heard the one about the scot, the irish guy and the lithuanian?

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

Lmao get Micks dong out of your mouth. After all those years he got one flag, that's it. He coached us to three losses, and a bounce away from 4 losses and 0 wins. There is some serious mental gymnastics going on if you think we had any chance beyond 2011, the game changed and went past us and one of the greatest teams ever went on a 3-peat. Saying he would have won one of those is like saying imagine if he stayed on as coaching director, we could of won 10 flags in a row herp derp.

Bwhahahahaha get Micks dong outta my mouth you say??? Never!!!

I never said we’d guaranteed flags. I said a decent tilt at those flags. 2012 we made the prelim and played like garbage all year, mainly due to the head coach. And 13/14 were undermined by a ridiculous training regime Buckley under took. Malthouse was too experienced to have allowed that to happen.

The best thing Mick did, after 2011, was walk away from the club. It was pointless having him their above Buckley as director of coaching - a meaningless role where he would of clashed consistently with Bucks due to there differing beliefs on how the game was played. He gave Nathan clean air. That was the smart thing to do. A selfless thing to do

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

I daresay Bucks is spot on and I daresay your final line is correct, but why the hell is Bucks commenting and presenting an opportunity for the same distraction of 2011 to rear its head again inside and outside the club? If ever there was a time for footy speak it was when being asked about Malthouse and his relationship.

Could it be Bucks’ ego finally got the better of him? Surely the selfless team first approach would be to deflect questions about Malthouse rather than say something like “he’s a master manipulator” and has “rat cunning”. Just a horrible media performance from Buckley today. Amateur stuff from Ol’ Teflon Naffon

 

[sr36]

Fair point. Good point.

When listening to it live, just sounded like he was being candid and kind of complimenting Mick on his ruthless quest for success and his focus. And understanding how Mick was ruthless in his quests.
He praised Mick’s picks as captains.

TWO SCENARIOS:

ONE:

I just think he was too relaxed in a candid conversation and the alarm bell didn’t go off as he thought he’s praising Mick in a way and understanding him.

TWO:

He kind of knew there might be some controversy but thought that’s better than over focus on Beams and the taking away the focus of media on his team.
Not sure, more likely scenario one.

I suspect scenario one too. He's usually so good in the press. This and the Mayne comments are the only two times that I can think of where he's just said stupidly honest stuff when he needed to just say nothing.

 

[sr36]

Could it be Bucks’ ego finally got the better of him? Surely the selfless team first approach would be to deflect questions about Malthouse rather than say something like “he’s a master manipulator” and has “rat cunning”. Just a horrible media performance from Buckley today. Amateur stuff from Ol’ Teflon Naffon

I think it was a dumb dropping of his guard, if you want to take it to some other realm of fantasy in order to snipe Buckley, my only question is Why?