Congratulations 2018 Coleman Medallist Jack Riewoldt.

[Ancient Tiger]

I'm gonna start off by saying that Reiwoldt had a great season and was rightfully deserving to be an All Australian team member.

However....the Coleman Medal achievement is as hollow as an easter egg. He won purely because he was able to cash in on terrible Gold Coast suns team. In the corresponding game for North Melbourne.....the game was a monsoon and the 200cm forward in Brown was never gonna get a look in.

I don't know how many rounds Brown was in front for but most will consider that to carry for much more weight than taking the short cuts on s**t opposition.

You're full of it.

You fail to take into account that you play many more games in perfect conditions with a roof protecting the players from wind and rain. Forwards are the main players that benefit from those conditions. Riewoldt also consistently kicks goals against the best opposition. He doesn't just kick bags against the weak. We also had a harder draw than North meaning he had to play against better defences more often.

A thoroughly deserved Coleman Medal.

 

[BF Tiger]

Junktime Jack winning Colemans when everyone else falls over

What would you have Jack do? Get injured, suspended or just dish them off even more than what he was doing all season? Not his fault that Buddy got injured, Brown fell out of form, Hawkins got suspended, ...

 

[PhatBoy]

Marginal huh? How do Hawkins stats compare to Jack's 3 Colemans, 3 AAs 600+ goals?

Did all that this season did he?

 

[BF Tiger]

Did all that this season did he?

Start a poll.

 

[Hundred_Thousand_Tigers]

I'm gonna start off by saying that Reiwoldt had a great season and was rightfully deserving to be an All Australian team member.

However....the Coleman Medal achievement is as hollow as an easter egg. He won purely because he was able to cash in on terrible Gold Coast suns team. In the corresponding game for North Melbourne.....the game was a monsoon and the 200cm forward in Brown was never gonna get a look in.

I don't know how many rounds Brown was in front for but most will consider that to carry for much more weight than taking the short cuts on s**t opposition.

 

[HTT]

I'm gonna start off by saying that Reiwoldt had a great season and was rightfully deserving to be an All Australian team member.

However....the Coleman Medal achievement is as hollow as an easter egg. He won purely because he was able to cash in on terrible Gold Coast suns team. In the corresponding game for North Melbourne.....the game was a monsoon and the 200cm forward in Brown was never gonna get a look in.

I don't know how many rounds Brown was in front for but most will consider that to carry for much more weight than taking the short cuts on s**t opposition.

What happened the other time North played against GC though? Did Brown kick 10?

 

[Ancient Tiger]

What happened the other time North played against GC though? Did Brown kick 10?

He kicked 4.2.............

 

[Dan]

Go stick the 2015 EF on replay, it will make you feel better, you lot will always have that.

and more.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

and more.

1995 QF the other I remember, think Carey got hold of us..

Whack that on too.

 

[PhatBoy]

Start a poll.

I don't really need to considering my actual claim was based solely on statistics and this link basically backs up what I've said, that they are probably equal and depending on what metrics you use, you could make an argument for either being better.


https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...ayerStatus2=A&tid2=15&pid2=1731&fid2=S&type=A

 

[BF Tiger]

I don't really need to considering my actual claim was based solely on statistics and this link basically backs up what I've said, that they are probably equal and depending on what metrics you use, you could make an argument for either being better.


https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...ayerStatus2=A&tid2=15&pid2=1731&fid2=S&type=A

Your metrics obviously don’t include AAs and Colemans.

 

[PhatBoy]

Your metrics obviously don’t include AAs and Colemans.

And?

 

[ShriekingShack]

Dilligaf

 

[Captain_Bender]

I don't really need to considering my actual claim was based solely on statistics and this link basically backs up what I've said, that they are probably equal and depending on what metrics you use, you could make an argument for either being better.


https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...ayerStatus2=A&tid2=15&pid2=1731&fid2=S&type=A

Dude Riewoldt >>> Hawkins

 

[BF Tiger]

And?

3>1 and 3>0

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

247 games
602 goals
3x Coleman Medalist (2010, 2012, 2018)
3x All Australian (2010, 2015, 2018)
1x Premiership Player (2017)
1x Richmond Best and Fairest (2010)
9x Richmond Leading Goal Kicker (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)

Legend

 

[PhatBoy]

3>1 and 3>0

I'm still struggling to work out how medals and AA jerseys achieved in previous seasons make someone a better performer in the current season. I'm also trying to work out how they fit into a per-match statistical spectrum at any time.

 

[PhatBoy]

247 games
602 goals
3x Coleman Medalist (2010, 2012, 2018)
3x All Australian (2010, 2015, 2018)
1x Premiership Player (2017)
1x Richmond Best and Fairest (2010)
9x Richmond Leading Goal Kicker (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)

Legend

No argument. The bloke is a jet. No one aside from the idiot who said he won the Coleman by default has suggested otherwise.

 

[Leeda]

the dude's a lemon....head...striking at the heart..he's in love with himself..

 

[BF Tiger]

I'm still struggling to work out how medals and AA jerseys achieved in previous seasons make someone a better performer in the current season. I'm also trying to work out how they fit into a per-match statistical spectrum at any time.

When Warhorse (where this started, go on, check) mentioned Jack winning Colemans I take it to mean previous seasons, because he didn’t win three of them this season. Your the only one who thinks it’s about this season alone. And why should we just be considering statistics? Oh, that’s right, because that’s where Tom looks almost as good as Jack.

 

[TiggyTig]

Did all that this season did he?

Did two of em More than Hawkins has ever done!

 

[TiggyTig]

I'm still struggling to work out how medals and AA jerseys achieved in previous seasons make someone a better performer in the current season. I'm also trying to work out how they fit into a per-match statistical spectrum at any time.

1>0 1>0 is that more relevant to this season?

 

[PieLebo87]

I’d take Reiwoldt over Lynch any day of the week at Collingwood.

 

[evo]

the dude's a lemon....head...striking at the heart..he's in love with himself..

It's a shame about Ray.

 

[Tas]

Riewoldt has had a pretty good year and has usually been a consistent performer. Richmond have a fairly unique structure in that Riewoldt is their only key forward and they have a lot of opportunist smaller forwards who hit the scoreboard fairly consistently. Where Richmond has been dominant is through the middle and the back half, it has allowed them to transition aggressively and despite the lack of overall possession (13th in the competition) they rank 2nd for inside 50s, 2nd for marks in the forward 50, 2nd for goals and 2nd for goal assists.

I think if Jack wanted to he could probably have finished with 80+ goals, he definitely had plenty of supply and much of the quick high ball is directed at Jack and his mandate is to make a contest and if he doesn't get it then Richmond is very dangerous at ground level having 7 other players who average 1 or more goal a game as well.

I think he is definitely deserving of the Coleman but that is a reward in which the strength of the side you play for can have a significant bearing on your ability to perform. By contrast, North has a much weaker midfield and back line, our forwards don't get the volume of supply, I find it strange how the strength of a team isn't a significant factor for an award like the All Australian. I think Brown could have been a 100+ goal scorer if he played for Richmond this year and Riewoldt probably would have still kicked around 60 odd goals as well. I think that is why they are keen on getting Lynch. They would end up with more reward for their effort and give them a more comfortable margin when they dominate games.

I think Brown kicking 61 goals despite players like Waite, Wood and Ziebell around him in a team that was expected to be the favourite for the wooden spoon largely due to the thinning out of the midfield and a somewhat makeshift back line is a significantly stronger performance than Jack kicking 65 for the reigning premier who look even stronger this year.

North was 14th for disposals, 11th for inside 50s, 10th for marks inside 50, 7th for goals and 9th for goal assists. It didn't have anywhere near the volume nor the quality of supply that Richmond provided Riewoldt with. Not that I care about the AA or the Coleman. I just find it strange that the AFL tends to give forward positions to players who have an easier time of it being in a much stronger team and don't really recognise players that are doing it much tougher.

It is somewhat ironic that Jack was a far more damaging player when he was younger, when Richmond was weaker and he didn't get as much recognition as he deserved. Like in 2012, the 65 goals he managed in the Richmond side that finished 12th, won the Coleman again that year but Hawkins got the AA FF position and Riewoldt didn't make the team. He had to work his buns off for those 65 goals in 2012 in a significantly weaker side and it was a far greater performance than his 65 this year imo. AFL just don't take into consideration other variables.