Congratulations Adam Mcphee on 100 games with Essendon.

[Longy413]

Sheeds has persisted with the older guys too long, not putting enough gametime into the younger players.

Of course, in saying that you are completely ignoring that Jason Johnson and Campo were pushed out of our best side for a lot of the year.

That Bolton, Peverill have also been pushed out of the side and Mark Johnson's fate looks similar.

That as of Saturday, we will have debuted 8 players for the season.

That players 21 y/o and under, or with less than 50 games experience such as Lovett, Stanton, Winderlich, Davey, Monfries, Nash, Watson, Dempsey, Jetta, Slattery, Laycock are all in our best 22-25 and have played a number of games this season.

That McPhee, NLM and Welsh are in our best 22 and are only 24.
McVeigh 26.

That's 18 players. Under 26, all with varying levels of improvement in them.

Yep, we're really old.

No, we haven't played kids at all.

Apart from Hocking, Bradley, Hislop, Houli, Reimers, Gumbleton that have also played this year.

That's not to say they're any good, or will be any good, but for you to pretend we haven't played young players shows you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

If you want to talk quality. Winderlich, McVeigh, Watson, Welsh will all finish top 6 in our best and fairest. Davey would have been up there if it wasn't for his injury. Stanton top 10. All 26 and under, in a team that has won 6 and a half more games than you.

You can pretend Lloyd, Lucas, Fletcher carried us. But that would be ignoring the performances of many.

That would be ignoring that Monfries and Lovett tore you apart last weekend.

As for McPhee making a choice, he had a choice last year. He chose Essendon, regardless of the fact Carlton offered him much more money.

 

[blues4flag]

Of course, in saying that you are completely ignoring that Jason Johnson and Campo were pushed out of our best side for a lot of the year.

Since when was Campo ever a part of your best side?

That Bolton, Peverill have also been pushed out of the side and Mark Johnson's fate looks similar.

Bolton yes, Peverill now only that the season is over.
That as of Saturday, we will have debuted 8 players for the season.
Seven debutants, with the most having played only 5 games? Seven debutants who played less than 3 games on average?
That players 21 y/o and under, or with less than 50 games experience such as Lovett, Stanton, Winderlich, Davey, Monfries, Nash, Watson, Dempsey, Jetta, Slattery, Laycock are all in our best 22-25 and have played a number of games this season.

If you read my post, you'll see that I counted the youth as 20 year olds and under. I agreed that all the 21 year olds listed there will be part of your future. And I think you'll find that Winders, Laycock, Watson, Lovett and Davey are all over 21 one, with the last two being 24 and 23.

However, Dempsey and Jetta in your 22-25? Jetta hasn't played a game since round 4 and spent time in the VFL reserves, hardly in your 25. Dempsey has played only one game this season - not sure if he was injured but definitely not a member of the 25.

That McPhee, NLM and Welsh are in our best 22 and are only 24.
McVeigh 26.

Point being? Every team in the competition would have numerous guys of that age in their starting 22.

That's 18 players. Under 26, all with varying levels of improvement in them.

Again, as would all teams in the competition. Including Carlton.

Yep, we're really old.

No, we haven't played kids at all.

Apart from Hocking, Bradley, Hislop, Houli, Reimers, Gumbleton that have also played this year.

I never said they weren't experienced, I said they were less experienced than Carlton's. Which is clearly the case.

That's not to say they're any good, or will be any good, but for you to pretend we haven't played young players shows you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

No idea? Again I never said they weren't played, I said they were less experienced. Which is definitely accurate, when you consider that Micheal, Fletcher, Hird, Mark Johnson, Peverill, and to a lesser extent, Lloyd and Lucas have played the vast majority of the season. I am saying that most of those guys aren't worthy of being in the starting 22, quite a few of them are, however realistically most of those guys will not be around come Essendon's next finals push, and thus are taking the spot of younger guys. Deserve their spot, but are not helping list development.

If you want to talk quality. Winderlich, McVeigh, Watson, Welsh will all finish top 6 in our best and fairest. Davey would have been up there if it wasn't for his injury. Stanton top 10. All 26 and under, in a team that has won 6 and a half more games than you.

Scotland - 27, Fevola, Carrazzo, Simpson, Fisher, Waite, Walker, Murphy - 26 and under, all likely to be in the top 10 B&F. Again, this is the same as Carlton's list. It is the experience which we lack, given Stevens injury, Kouta and Lappin's age and Whitnall's issues that has hurt us from winning a few more.

You can pretend Lloyd, Lucas, Fletcher carried us. But that would be ignoring the performances of many.

A team is made up of 22 players, yet those 5 or 6 play a huge role. Your spine would be ruined without Fletcher, Lloyd, Lucas and Micheal.

 

[windyhill]

Because no one will want to leave the raging Bombers.

Thought the effort for Hird and Sheeds by the Bomber boys on the weekend was admirable, really got up for the game. Good effort to get within 5 goals, pity they had to play a side as good as the Tiges.

silvagni`s 300 ?
last game at princes park ?
blue m&M jumpers ?
1993 ?

Thought the effort by the blue boys on the weekend of "sos`s" 300 was admirable, good effort to get within 5 goals, pity they had to play a side as good as the tiges.

 

[blues4flag]

silvagni`s 300 ?
last game at princes park ?
blue m&M jumpers ?
1993 ?

Thought the effort by the blue boys on the weekend of "sos`s" 300 was admirable, good effort to get within 5 goals, pity they had to play a side as good as the tiges.

Sad to lose the game - however it was a two goal loss to a top 4 side, not a 5 goal loss to the bottom side.

 

[windyhill]

Explain the "last game at princes park" one, that was a classic, with old light fingers nicholls holding the ball up to everyone at the end,did he try and sell the ball later ? what was that margin ?

 

[blues4flag]

Explain the "last game at princes park" one, that was a classic, with old light fingers nicholls holding the ball up to everyone at the end,did he try and sell the ball later ? what was that margin ?

Meh, a three goal loss to a top 8, when your a wooden spoon side, is nothing to be embarrassed about. Again, very different to a loss in the last game of the people as big as Hird and Sheedy, to the side sitting bottom on the ladder.

 

[windyhill]

I still want to know if light fingers sold the ball

 

[mojon95]

Meh, a three goal loss to a top 8, when your a wooden spoon side, is nothing to be embarrassed about. Again, very different to a loss in the last game of the people as big as Hird and Sheedy, to the side sitting bottom on the ladder.

I can't wait to see Kouta's last game and how you spoil the ending for a Draft Picklol

 

[RyderFahey]

I used to rate Mcphee very highly as a player and thought it was only injury that kept him from AA form. This year, he started off well but has gone downhill since then. His game yesterday was pretty pathetic - don't value him anywhere near what I used to, would not want him at Carlton.

He is better than lance whitnall at least he can run... how would u like to have a fat slob as your captain

 

[blues4flag]

I can't wait to see Kouta's last game and how you spoil the ending for a Draft Picklol

Kouta's last game? Sorry mate, your about a month too late. His last game was the narrow defeat to the Saints - not that anyone knew, as he retired during the following week.

 

[sameolds]

I'm not necessarily a supporter and he did have a poor game decision wise but in his defence, he was one of the only players who were having a dip and actually looked like he was trying. Most of the others were pathetic.


Of course they're going to be quiet, he had a shocker what do you expect. It's exactly the same as when he has a good game, all his knockers are very quiet. If you don't have ammunition you don't say anything do you. That's how it works, especially on Bigfooty.

the problem is even when he has a dip and looks pathetic. Trust me mate, his supporters have been there when he has been ordinary trying to convince me otherwise. This is one of the very rare times they have not piped up due to the magnitude of his incompetence. He has rarely played well this year, and everyone can say its 'just his decision making process' but the fact is games are won and lost on this very process. fair nuff i'm a newbie, and maybe i dont know 'how it works' but im not daft and neither are people that see him play at present.

 

[windyhill]

Meh, a three goal loss to a top 8, when your a wooden spoon side, is nothing to be embarrassed about. Again, very different to a loss in the last game of the people as big as Hird and Sheedy, to the side sitting bottom on the ladder.

double standards alive and well at carlton. richmond beat us twice last year and we were very lucky to get over the line earlier this year. So it`s ok for carlton to lose milestone games but not Essendon ? Fair enough. And i still want to know if light fingers nicholls flogged that ball off.

 

[Longy413]

Since when was Campo ever a part of your best side?

He's an example of younger players pushing older players out of the side.

Heff another example.

Bolton yes, Peverill now only that the season is over.

The season was still alive on Sunday.
Pev and Bolts were dropped before then.

Seven debutants, with the most having played only 5 games? Seven debutants who played less than 3 games on average?

Davey played 14 games before getting injured.
Jetta has only played 3-4 VFL games between injuries.
Gumby injuries.

They would have played more footy had they been fit. But again, we've played kids.

If you read my post, you'll see that I counted the youth as 20 year olds and under. I agreed that all the 21 year olds listed there will be part of your future. And I think you'll find that Winders, Laycock, Watson, Lovett and Davey are all over 21 one, with the last two being 24 and 23.

I think you'll find I also said Under 50 games.
Experience is a bigger variable in improvement than a birth certificate.

Lovett and Davey still have a huge scope for improvement that will come with playing more games of footy.

Winderlich and Laycock also fit into that category.

Watson has only just passed 50 games.

However, Dempsey and Jetta in your 22-25? Jetta hasn't played a game since round 4 and spent time in the VFL reserves, hardly in your 25. Dempsey has played only one game this season - not sure if he was injured but definitely not a member of the 25.

And you're definitely proving you're out of place commenting on this subject.

Stop guessing and go away and educate yourself.

I never said they weren't experienced, I said they were less experienced than Carlton's. Which is clearly the case.

Essendon's side last week was about 14 months older than Carlton's (on average).

That's about 17 days older per player. Hardly much of a difference.

And that was on the back of Campo and MJ coming back into the side for one last crack at a career.

Deserve their spot, but are not helping list development.

Crap.

What's better for Ryder's development?
Playing along side Mal Michael or Andrew Lee?

The kids that are playing deserve their spot, they earn a spot.
They aren't handed spots, and there's a lot of them that get a go.

If you think playing along side more kids is better for the development of young players, then you're kidding yourself.

Earn your spot, play along side good players and you improve because of it.

Scotland - 27, Fevola, Carrazzo, Simpson, Fisher, Waite, Walker, Murphy - 26 and under, all likely to be in the top 10 B&F. Again, this is the same as Carlton's list. It is the experience which we lack, given Stevens injury, Kouta and Lappin's age and Whitnall's issues that has hurt us from winning a few more.

No, you're just crap.

A team is made up of 22 players, yet those 5 or 6 play a huge role. Your spine would be ruined without Fletcher, Lloyd, Lucas and Micheal.

Except for the fact that Ryder and Gumbleton have slotted in nicely.

And that our improvement this year has also come on the back of improvement from Davey, Stanton, Watson, Winderlich, Slattery, Monfries, Laycock, Ryder.

I wonder how many of them improved because they had the likes of Campo, Lloyd, Fletcher, Lucas etc to draw on?

Maybe it's the reason we don't have first year players in our leadership group.

 

[Crave]

The majority of the kids should bear no criticism whatsoever, aside from their individual development, it takes a great deal of time to gel together as one working unit. Its the 50-100 game group that are the main concern from my perspective.

 

[mojon95]

Kouta's last game? Sorry mate, your about a month too late. His last game was the narrow

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exactly my point, lol u suck

 

[blues4flag]

exactly my point, lol u suck

Your formatting skills are magnificent, well done.

 

[bomberstomake8]

haha i am actually reading a carlton supporter bag another team arent i??? jeez someone doesnt have a brain

 

[mayhem20202]

A team is made up of 22 players, yet those 5 or 6 play a huge role. Your spine would be ruined without Fletcher, Lloyd, Lucas and Micheal.

Interesting to note that our spine would be ruined if you took out all the players it is made up of. I am not sure what the point of this is. That is like saying Brisbane's CHF position would not be as strong if they didn't have Jon Brown, or WCE's best onballer wouldn't be as good if he wasn't Judd.

Obviously Essendon's second string FF, CHF, CHB and FB are not as good as their best FF, CHF, CHB and FB, that is why those players get a game every week. If they weren't any good, they wouldn't be in every week.