Coach Congratulations to New NMFC Senior Coach - Rhyce Shaw - 2 Year "Rolling" Deal

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shintemaster

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There is zero chance a team like ours would ever even begin to hint that we're intentionally turning through players with an eye to the future. FFS last time we rested more than 2 guys the AFL changed the structure of the finals and made it clear it was never to happen again. We're an easy target for fines and we will smile and talk sh*t in press conferences until that changes.
 

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There is zero chance a team like ours would ever even begin to hint that we're intentionally turning through players with an eye to the future. FFS last time we rested more than 2 guys the AFL changed the structure of the finals and made it clear it was never to happen again. We're an easy target for fines and we will smile and talk sh*t in press conferences until that changes.
100% agree mate. It's the game plan and team balance that is confusing me.

I'm scratching my head wondering how Tommy Murphy on the wing, and Tazz, B-Mac, J-Walk & Durds in defence, helps to develop this "game plan".
 

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100% agree mate. It's the game plan and team balance that is confusing me.

I'm scratching my head wondering how Tommy Murphy on the wing, and Tazz, B-Mac, J-Walk & Durds in defence, helps to develop this "game plan".
Yeah. It doesn't make much sense from a gameplan POV. Can only presume that they've come to the point that the injuries + QLD hub + debacle of season means they just plain see more value in brutally turning over fringe players for the remainder of this season in an abnormal structure rather than trying to get a team which will fundamentally change over the off season due to list changes, injury returns and completely different length quarters to play the gameplan for the future.

Rightly or wrongly I can see how they might make that call.
 

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Yeah. It doesn't make much sense from a gameplan POV. Can only presume that they've come to the point that the injuries + QLD hub + debacle of season means they just plain see more value in brutally turning over fringe players for the remainder of this season in an abnormal structure rather than trying to get a team which will fundamentally change over the off season due to list changes, injury returns and completely different length quarters to play the gameplan for the future.

Rightly or wrongly I can see how they might make that call.
I reckon one of the KPD's might come out, and perhaps a few others.

Theres some interesting emergencies.

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I see a large number of Sunday 4:40 pm games coming our way in 2021.
If there are full crowds at games I'll be impressed if the AFL don't just schedule 4 x return legs for SA, WA and bigger Melbourne teams with the rest of us scheduled to play each other on Sunday nights... They'll be desparate to recoup $$$ no matter what after this year, as will their broadcasters.
 

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Shaw's speech from the Syd, go 8 minutes into it if you want to skip the preamble. He referenced the wins last year, against Richmond, Port, Collingwood and Hawks, even talked about the win against Melbourne where he said we didn't play well, but still found a way to get the job done. He wasn't talking about a mediocre list or that he believed there would be a rebuild. 2019 was meant to be a stepping stone.

Blame in the context of football is bit of a juvenile word.

Shaw isn't why we are fighting it out to avoid the spoon. Neither are the players, neither are the injuries, neither is the messed up situation caused by the pandemic. They are all contributing factors though. The players who are taking the field aren't executing, we need to forget about what isn't in our control and focus on what is.

You can create a montage of what we do well when we play good footy and what we don't do when we play bad footy and it doesn't matter how much or how little class each individual has, it doesn't matter how young or inexperienced a player is, you can and should demand the bare minimums that made us play better footy. Everyone has visible evidence of what they do and how they play when we play well. We can't sustain finals like pressure, but we can sustain a lot more pressure than what we have shown.

What we need is for a coach to create the expectation that as professionals we will come every week and we will execute the bare minimums at least and if everyone who takes the field makes that commitment and executes then we will be competitive. We wont always win, but if we chase and pressure and tackle all over the park, stop the opposition from taking uncontested marks, to feel perceived pressure and to have the courage to take the game on even if it doesn't work at times because we will win the ball back when we fail, then we will create the foundations you can build a successful team on.

I think Shaw can do it. It is a lot easier to do during a honeymoon period when players believe, it is a lot harder when you are in a slump and there is a lack of confidence.

I think addressing our list weaknesses will be the icing on the cake, but if we get a whole bunch of gun kids and we play like the crap we dished out last week then we will evolve into another Melbourne or Carlton or any other team that has a lot of talent and done nothing with them.

We must have the desire, if it takes players to do interviews and say they have desire but it is not evident by how they play then they are just lying to themselves. They do not need to say it, it will be evident when they show it.

We, as a club, have to stop making excuses for and tolerating low standards. I don't care if our team is made up of entirely 18 year olds, if you show them videos of the kind of pressure you demand they will have a crack. It is those that are comfortable that are less likely to go in hard, when there is always next week to atone. The Scott "always next week" type of attitude is why we evolved to be mediocre.



All that counts in the end are the results. Pagan was a proven coach but he couldn't stop Carlton playing like crap when he went there. It doesn't always work the same way with a different group of people. Shaw needs to be give the kids the tools to be successful, he also needs to be able to get them to execute on a consistent basis. I think 2021 will be a better indication than this year, but he has to address some of the major problems.

Footy is a pretty simple game, you do not need to speak like Churchill to get the message across. Players just need to understand the game plan and have confidence that doing what is asked of them will work. If someone could explain to me how our trying to get the ball out of the defensive 50 is some kind of system which will give us a strong chance of scoring actually works then I would be stoked because it looks like we don't know what we are doing and that can't just be only an external observation.

I think we have a lack of a split from the Scott era, Shaw has just tweaked a few things and relied on pressure, but when the pressure wasn't there then the mechanics of the Scott game plan have been exposed as being a bottom four-esque type of game plan. We need a top four type of game plan. Look how well Freo defend even though they are missing their core defenders, how they move the ball out of their defensive 50. I am specifically not using a top 4 team as a comparison to highlight you can be largely a young/sh*t team and still have a robust system, despite their injury setbacks to their key defenders they concede less than some top 8 sides.

We have a lot of players who are defensively unaccountable.



Our "in-depth process" was to ask Clarkson, Simpson and Longmire (who were all contracted) if they wanted the job and when they knocked us back went with the caretaker instead of evaluating all the available coaches at the time. That is typical of the modern North. You don't need to be Nostradamus to predict we could fu** things up by doing it half-arsed.
Agreed Tas.

We desperately need a modern game plan.

Couldn't give a stuff what he says in press conferences.

The hiring 'process' left a lot to be desired, particularly by casting out a very small net.
 

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IMO the gameplan drama is an interesting one but possibly easily explained.

1. It worked 'relatively' well at the start of the year.
2. COVID and Larkey's injury happened.
3. We held onto the gameplan for too long while waiting for Larkey to come back (remember all those games to Campbell and Xerri where we were in literal tears as they failed to make good contests on the wing?) because we believed we could salvage it and our season.
4.Training is now rather limited and we have an ever growing injury list meaning that the listed team each week had little experience, both on an individual level and as a group, and our key forward still isn't firing and now Cunners has imploded spectacularly.
5. We flicked the switch from 'oh god try to salvage this sh*t' to 'experiment with kids in key spots, wins be damned, and just keep as much else the same so as to provide stability'

Unfortunately with a few weeks of the season left to go '6' happened: The playing group runs out of effort/willpower and what was a barely functioning gameplan completely collapses in on top of itself and we begin to see the cumulative effects of a horrendous set of circumstances outside of our control coupled with the effects of a few poor decisions that were within our control.

Shaw and the coaching team arguably coulda/shoulda/woulda done things differently, but it's largely a moot point now and we are where we are. He has an offseason to put the pieces together again, hopefully with a much better idea of what doesn't work.

Personally I don't think it will take too much to get the players mentally in the right head space again. I think that every club would be able to dismiss the majority of negative events this season as the outcomes of a once in a generation near apocalyptic event, so it should be easy to move on from. The harder part will be starting a new gameplan from scratch.
 
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I reckon one of the KPD's might come out, and perhaps a few others.

Theres some interesting emergencies.

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I’m totally confused - I feel like I’ve lost touch with everything!

no idea Of the game plan/ style, no idea of who they think is good or bad or will fit the vision of what the team should be.

I don’t understand the pressers anymore because so don’t understand anything that is being said - it’s just words to me that ai try and add 1+1 and get 3 or worse.
I would never have picked a Durdin coming in - why? Surely finished? Or is he? A farewell match? Surely not , 1 game isn’t enough to salvage a career surely?

no Maj - a farewell game would be warranted - surely? So I assume he is staying

No Pittard - assume he’s going? I can’t believe it and I’m not happy He loses his spot playing out of position due to injuries - or maybe he’s staying and they just want to play the young guys to see them? No idea

How can I spend so much time engaging with the club and reading etc and know nothing!!
It’s really uncomfortable for me and to top it off - Marc McGowen gets the bullet which totally sucks!!!

I hope Shaw knows

anyhow...
 
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Personally I don't think it will take too much to get the players mentally in the right head space again. I think that every club would be able to dismiss the majority of negative events this season as the outcomes of a once in a generation near apocalyptic event, so it should be easy to mean on from. The harder part will be starting a new gameplan from scratch.
I agree with basically all you post.

I think the A number 1 thing we need right now is for it all to be over as quick as possible.

Friday morning cannot come quick enough and with it clear air.

Those who get cut get cut.

Those who have the slightest need for any sort of post season surgery go for it immediately.

Roll on day 1 of preseason where we can have an aggressive reset of everything.

Annus Horribilis.
 

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Eerily similar vibe to 2018 re the coach.
Needs to perform to get a new deal.

I think by the end of May 2021 we will know if hes a keeper or not.
Yeah, nah.

No offence but I reckon it's not even close. Shaw's had 10 minutes in the job, with somebody else's average list that has massive holes in quality in the key 24-27 yr old age bracket.

With a massive cull in that demographic, as I suspect, then it all comes down who we get in via trade.

If we land say Corr, Williams and Saad as mooted, then expectation rightly goes up. We land sfa, then expectation is tempered.
 

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Yeah, nah.

No offence but I reckon it's not even close. Shaw's had 10 minutes in the job, with somebody else's average list that has massive holes in quality in the key 24-27 yr old age bracket.

With a massive cull in that demographic, as I suspect, then it all comes down who we get in via trade.

If we land say Corr, Williams and Saad as mooted, then expectation rightly goes up. We land sfa, then expectation is tempered.
Do people seriously think that Corr, Williams and Saad are going to make us a top 8 side?
 

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Do people seriously think that Corr, Williams and Saad are going to make us a top 8 side?
I don't even think they will be coming.

I imagine people think some improvements on 2020 like;
- a healthy list
- retention of required team
- trade in a Corr and a Caldwell, a ready made player or two
- 3 top 20 picks, maybe 4 if we lose a Polec
- continued development of the young guys
- playing from Victoria
- Actual VFL games to have in form players come in - not a Flyn who had never played a game other than a praccy


The combination of the above should get us challenging and competing for a finals spot
 

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I don't even think they will be coming.

I imagine people think some improvements on 2020 like;
- a healthy list
- retention of required team
- trade in a Corr and a Caldwell, a ready made player or two
- 3 top 20 picks, maybe 4 if we lose a Polec
- continued development of the young guys
- playing from Victoria
- Actual VFL games to have in form players come in - not a Flyn who had never played a game other than a praccy


The combination of the above should get us challenging and competing for a finals spot
Fair enough... I still see us as a bottom 4 side with all those things happening.
 

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Dunno about anyone else, but I never said that.

There's a lot of variables still to play out, as per my thoughts previously expressed in this fred.
Yeah, didn’t think you did, was more referring to changing expectations if we acquire those three. Curious as to where people think we will finish if we get all three.
 

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Yeah, didn’t think you did, was more referring to changing expectations if we acquire those three. Curious as to where people think we will finish if we get all three.
No worries mate.

We can get all 3 after gutting some players in that age demo I mentioned, add nothing other than draft picks to our emerging mid stocks, yet still improve to no better than a10 to12th, finish.

I can see that happening, but is it likely....well, if anybody has that answer definitively, can they let me know what the lotto numbers for next week are as well.

PM only, but 👍.
 

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Yeah, nah.

No offence but I reckon it's not even close. Shaw's had 10 minutes in the job, with somebody else's average list that has massive holes in quality in the key 24-27 yr old age bracket.

With a massive cull in that demographic, as I suspect, then it all comes down who we get in via trade.

If we land say Corr, Williams and Saad as mooted, then expectation rightly goes up. We land sfa, then expectation is tempered.
Read my prior posts. The list is terrible. He has another draft and another pre-season to turn things around. Why do you think he was only offered 2 years originally?
Were not going to extend his contract if were sitting bottom 2 in June. Guarantee it.
 

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