News Contract Discussion

[supernova_]

I cant see any club picking him up unless he sorts his mental and personal issues out. I dont think there would be a spot on WC or Freo's list. They both have pretty bloody good lists and should make the top 8 in 2012 reasonably comfurtable I reckon.

 

[Thermo]

After kicking that bag against Brisbane really thought we might've had something special on our hands. Guess not .

 

[supernova_]

After kicking that bag against Brisbane really thought we might've had something special on our hands. Guess not .

We did, he has a massive skill set. Just not the mental application and desire for the game.

I kinda harped on him most of the year that I thought he was in our best 22 players. But if you dont want to play, you dont want to play. Each to their own

 

[WrongUn]

Looks like Hunt is set to re-sign a new contract with the Suns passed 2012. Figure of around $400k per year... Double what I think he is worth as a player at this stage... And takes a fair chunk of salary cap that could be spent on a kid? Also talk AFL may keep him partially on their books aswell as a promotions player, so guess he will pick up maybe another $100k a year?... Then sponsorship $$$... Not bad for a dude that is only on the fringe of our best 22!

What do we think? Is Hunt worth this much cash out of our cap?

 

[TheSunGod]

Looks like Hunt is set to re-sign a new contract with the Suns passed 2012. Figure of around $400k per year... Double what I think he is worth as a player at this stage... And takes a fair chunk of salary cap that could be spent on a kid? Also talk AFL may keep him partially on their books aswell as a promotions player, so guess he will pick up maybe another $100k a year?... Then sponsorship $$$... Not bad for a dude that is only on the fringe of our best 22!

What do we think? Is Hunt worth this much cash out of our cap?

I wouldn't take much notice of the figures given in that article. $400,000 in an Andrew Hamilton article could mean $250,000 - $300,000 in all reality. It's probably the AFL promotions package that will still be where the major chunk of K's income comes from. If he continues to improve at the rate he has so far, and continues to do such a great job off-field (incl. mentoring Harley B.), I'm more than happy to keep him. He could develop into a handy strike weapon and protect our youngsters for the next few years until they fill out completely. From watching some of his games in the NEAFL, he's already a very good and damaging player at that level. It will be very interesting to see how he goes in 2012 with increased competition for spots and his increased fitness base. One thing is for sure, K is definitely a pro in his preparation and attitude. If only Nathan K had the same mindset.

 

[WrongUn]

I too am all for keeping the campaigner, but I just hope the club doesn't get bent over a barrel in doing so. If we do end up paying him in the vicinity of 400k ( which has been reported by 2 journos so guessing it has come from his manager) it would surely put him in the top 5 paid players at the club... Is he one of our top 5 players, hell no.

Yes he is doing a great job babysitting Bennell, has become a popular figure amongst fans and has shown glimpses he has enough talent to become a serviceable senior player in the future, but shouldn't he be paid on his current skill level, not paid because he is a popular rugby player, especially now we are paying his salary which affects our cap, and our ability to offer more skillful young players the $$$ needed to keep them next season.

I think we should be paying him like any 2nd year player, and if the AFL want him as a poster boy, then they can pay him. He is currently being payed 3 mil for basically 2 seasons of footy, so surely if he loves the club so much he can't expect to be paid like an experienced senior AFL player when he isn't one?

 

[TheSunGod]

I too am all for keeping the campaigner, but I just hope the club doesn't get bent over a barrel in doing so. If we do end up paying him in the vicinity of 400k ( which has been reported by 2 journos so guessing it has come from his manager) it would surely put him in the top 5 paid players at the club... Is he one of our top 5 players, hell no.

Yes he is doing a great job babysitting Bennell, has become a popular figure amongst fans and has shown glimpses he has enough talent to become a serviceable senior player in the future, but shouldn't he be paid on his current skill level, not paid because he is a popular rugby player, especially now we are paying his salary which affects our cap, and our ability to offer more skillful young players the $$$ needed to keep them next season.

I think we should be paying him like any 2nd year player, and if the AFL want him as a poster boy, then they can pay him. He is currently being payed 3 mil for basically 2 seasons of footy, so surely if he loves the club so much he can't expect to be paid like an experienced senior AFL player when is isn't one?

I think that this is probably what is really happening. Clayton, Ashcroft and Auld etc. aren't dummies and the AFL is watching over us very carefully to ensure that we run a very tight ship and are successful. If the AFL need to chip is 200K per year for K to continue his promo role then I think Vlad would find that money well spent. K doesn't strike me as a Mitch Clark type player who makes decisions based on money first. He doesn't need the money after his last contract and current sponsorships he has. It's the challenge that excites him and I think he is really enjoying the challenge of becoming a legitimate AFL player. If he can get a bit more of the ball this year and average say 15 possessions (up from his 8 possessions per game in 2011), he'll have done really well.

 

[Sunny_]

I honestly believe Hunt improved dramatically over the course of the season. Showed some real signs of what he could become, and am very keen to see how much he improves next year too.

400k is acceptable, I think. Wasn't that what Krakouer was on? I think he's been more key for us than Krakouer, personally. So yeah, not a problem that he's on this amount.

With Krakouer gone anyway, and most of the big contracts front loaded, we should have enough cap room to sign away the rest of the young stars. It's been made quite clear in trade week that we won't be spending big enough to not keep the young guns.

 

[supernova_]

YES (Insert Fist Pump here)

The other clubs wont be able to get him now

In all seriousness now I think 400k is a bit of a stretch for what he is worth. I see his greatest abilities are off the field really, as a general leader of professional sport, sets a great example off field. He is not a 400k footballer though.

 

[exile]

YES (Insert Fist Pump here)

i would have posted the karl stefanovic gif but i think it got deleted last time

if he'll be on around Krak's 400k, i guess that's okay. if part of his contract relates to continuing to mentor Bennell whilst living with him, then we'd better sign Hunt for life.

 

[exile]

Gilbee has re-signed until the end of 2013

http://goldcoastfc.com.au/news-and-media/news/gillbee-recommits-to-gc-suns/page-1/

 

[supernova_]

Gilbee has re-signed until the end of 2013

http://goldcoastfc.com.au/news-and-media/news/gillbee-recommits-to-gc-suns/page-1/

We heard it first at the dinner tonight, and got a copy of the press releasse before it was sent out at 8pm

Good news, hopefully has a better year.

 

[gotassieboys]

2012 List

Just spotted the new list for player profile on the website.

Anyway my basic maths show that we effectively have 51 players on the 2012 list. This allows for the addition of O'Mears (not on list) and the removal of Krakouer (still on list).

I understand that GCS have to have a list of 44 players in 2013 (please correct me if I am wrong).

Also AFL rules mean that 2 new players must be added to the list in 2013.

All this said, it highlighlights how tough it is be kept on the list.

It would be an interesting exercise to see if anyone has a list on all players and when their contracts expire.

This would allow fans to track those playing for a list spot in 2013.

 

[WrongUn]

If Caddy and Bennell do not resign at seasons end which is likely to be discussed all season, that starts cutting the list down. Possibility Fraser may retire upon contract completion this season, unless the club thinks they need his bigger body for a 1-year extension?

 

[Iva Bigun]

Will be gutted if both Caddy and Bennell leave, 1 would be a loss but 2 gun tallish midfielders would be a disaster

 

[exile]

^ agreed. i see big futures ahead of them. would absolutely hate for them to leave.

 

[gotassieboys]

Rookies for 2012

Excuse my ignorance, however are there any other rookies on the 2012 list other than Horsley, McQualter, Coad and Hall.

 

[Sunny_]

Re: Rookies for 2012

Excuse my ignorance, however are there any other rookies on the 2012 list other than Horsley, McQualter, Coad and Hall.

Hall was elevated. None others spring to mind though.

 

[exile]

Re: Rookies for 2012

Josh Hall is on the rookie, list Aaron Hall was chosen in the pre-season draft, meaning he is on our main list. Besides the others listed, there aren't any other rookies.

 

[gotassieboys]

Out of contract 2012

Does anyome have (or care to have a crack!) a complete list of those players whose contracts expire in 2012?

 

[exile]

Ok updated list (correct me if I'm wrong somewhere).

Recruited senior players

Gary Ablett - 2015
Nathan Bock - 2013
Campbell Brown - 2013
Jared Brennan - 2013
M Rischitelli - 2013
Jarrod Harbrow - 2013
Nathan Krakouer - 2013
Josh Fraser - 2012

Players with contract extentions

David Swallow - 2013
Zac Smith - 2013
Dion Prestia - 2013
Dan Gorringe - 2013
Charlie Dixon - 2012
Rory Thompson- 2013
Sam Day - 2014
Seb Tape - 2013

'10 Draftees with standard 2 years

Harley Bennell - 2012
Josh Caddy - 2012
Tom Lynch - 2012
Jeremy Taylor - 2012
Jacob Gilbee - 2012

Rookies

Alik Magin - 2011

The rest (some are unverified)

Jaeger O'Meara - 2014 (can't play until 2013)
Karmichael Hunt - 2012
Maverick Weller - 2012
Luke Russell - 2012
Lewis Moss - 2012
Hayden Jolly- 2012
Piers Flanagan- 2012
Trent McKenzie- 2012
Joey Daye- 2011(?)
Josh Toy- 2012
Tom Nicholls- 2012
Danny Stanley- 2011(?)
Matt Shaw- 2012
Taylor Hine- 2012
Brandon Matera- 2012
Rex Liddy - 2011(?)
Jack Hutchins - 2012
Sam Iles - 2011(?)
Joel Wilkinson - 2012
Tom Hickey - 2012
Liam Patrick - 2011(?)
Steven May - 2012

Question marks I'm not so sure about.

this is fairly accurate. take out liddy, daye & krakouer though, who were delisted.

 

[Sunny_]

Going to try and re-do the list a little. Unsure on how long some of those contracts were re-signed for.

Changes made in italics.

Recruited senior players

Gary Ablett - 2015
Nathan Bock - 2013
Campbell Brown - 2013
Jared Brennan - 2013
M Rischitelli - 2013
Jarrod Harbrow - 2013
Nathan Krakouer - 2013
Josh Fraser - 2012

Players with contract extentions

David Swallow - 2013
Zac Smith - 2013
Dion Prestia - 2013
Dan Gorringe - 2013
Charlie Dixon - 2012
Rory Thompson- 2013
Sam Day - 2014
Seb Tape - 2013
Trent McKenzie- 2013
Danny Stanley- ?
Alik Magin - ?
Brandon Matera- 2014
Sam Iles - ?
Liam Patrick - ?
Jacob Gilbee - 2013

'10 Draftees with standard 2 years

Harley Bennell - 2012
Josh Caddy - 2012
Tom Lynch - 2012
Jeremy Taylor - 2012

Rookies
Josh Hall - ?
Andrew McQualter - ?
Kyal Horsley - ?


The rest (some are unverified)

Jaeger O'Meara - 2014 (can't play until 2013)
Karmichael Hunt - 2012
Maverick Weller - 2012
Luke Russell - 2012
Lewis Moss - 2012
Hayden Jolly- 2012
Piers Flanagan- 2012
Josh Toy- 2012
Tom Nicholls- 2012
Matt Shaw- 2012
Taylor Hine- 2012
Jack Hutchins - 2012
Joel Wilkinson - 2012
Tom Hickey - 2012
Steven May - 2012

 

[gotassieboys]

Going to try and re-do the list a little. Unsure on how long some of those contracts were re-signed for.

Changes made in italics.

Recruited senior players

Gary Ablett - 2015
Nathan Bock - 2013
Campbell Brown - 2013
Jared Brennan - 2013
M Rischitelli - 2013
Jarrod Harbrow - 2013
Nathan Krakouer - 2013
Josh Fraser - 2012

Players with contract extentions

David Swallow - 2013
Zac Smith - 2013
Dion Prestia - 2013
Dan Gorringe - 2013
Charlie Dixon - 2012
Rory Thompson- 2013
Sam Day - 2014
Seb Tape - 2013
Trent McKenzie- 2013
Danny Stanley- ?
Alik Magin - ?
Brandon Matera- 2014
Sam Iles - ?
Liam Patrick - ?
Jacob Gilbee - 2013

'10 Draftees with standard 2 years

Harley Bennell - 2012
Josh Caddy - 2012
Tom Lynch - 2012
Jeremy Taylor - 2012

Rookies
Josh Hall - ?
Andrew McQualter - ?
Kyal Horsley - ?


The rest (some are unverified)

Jaeger O'Meara - 2014 (can't play until 2013)
Karmichael Hunt - 2012
Maverick Weller - 2012
Luke Russell - 2012
Lewis Moss - 2012
Hayden Jolly- 2012
Piers Flanagan- 2012
Josh Toy- 2012
Tom Nicholls- 2012
Matt Shaw- 2012
Taylor Hine- 2012
Jack Hutchins - 2012
Joel Wilkinson - 2012
Tom Hickey - 2012
Steven May - 2012

Thanks for the 2 posts. it is really appreciated.

I think all Rookies are 1 year only. Allen, Jackson, A Hall & Schade get the standard 2 years.

I do not wish to seem all "dark & gloomy" but with the list in 2013 having to be 44 full list & 9 rookies down from 48 full list & 9 rookie in 2012 (AFL rules), there has to be the inevitable delistings.

Also I imagine there will be an attempt by GCS to extend contracts of those players deemed "keepers".

This will further decrease the number of players who are on the list that may be delisted

 

[Sunny_]

I believe most Suns fans are well prepared for the 4 that need to be cut. When you count in draft picks and such, I think that's an extra few that need to be?

There may be some that retire at the end of next year (Fraser), but there's a handful of others I could probably find that will need to lift their game, less they get delisted.

 

[gotassieboys]

I believe most Suns fans are well prepared for the 4 that need to be cut. When you count in draft picks and such, I think that's an extra few that need to be?

There may be some that retire at the end of next year (Fraser), but there's a handful of others I could probably find that will need to lift their game, less they get delisted.

Thanks Sunny, your calculations seem to be spot on. Your list indicates that there are approximately 23 players that will be out of contract at the end of 2012.

Effectively in 2012 we have 46 full listed players and 4 rookies.

In 2013 we can have 44 full listed players and 9 rookies. Hence the need to delist 4 players off full list.

My only query is GCS able to use Jaeger O'Meara as 1 of the 2 new full listed draftees that have to be added in 2013. I was not sure how he is treated as he is the "Claytons" player for the GCS in 2012.