List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[ziad]

Pickett has apparently signed to 2034 on a deal worth $12.5m

Seems reckless by Melbourne who are already stuck with a long term deal for Oliver. Lot of money for a small forward albeit a very talented one who can impact through midfield in bursts

the key word is impact I think, there arn't that many players that do truely impact

 

[Obeanie1]

Wonder if Kossie has a few less followers today?

Ones wearing purple?

 

[Obeanie1]

They'll throw $850k around like candy to blokes like Ben McKay though

200cm AFL players who have the fitness and skills don't grow on trees.

Either 200cm plus forwards who kick goals.

Nor defenders who can stop 200cm monsters from kicking them.

 

[twce13]

speaking of reckless, simmo on whatley this morning was painting himself as very reckless when it comes to list management.

I'm para-phasing here but, as they discussed the merits of the pickett deal, simmo said he didnt care what a player was paid or what it cost to get them in. He just wanted that puzzle piece. When GW insisted that Pickett now has a responsibility to be a consistent top 3 player at melbourne for the next 10 years, Simmo disagreed saying he just had to play his role.

Was always a fan of simmo, but not hard to see why our list got to where it was and players becoming complacent.

 

[KERRPOW]

Mini handing out contracts?

the next aaron naughton (scatter gun forward who should be a backman)

 

[Mop]

speaking of reckless, simmo on whatley this morning was painting himself as very reckless when it comes to list management.

I'm para-phasing here but, as they discussed the merits of the pickett deal, simmo said he didnt care what a player was paid or what it cost to get them in. He just wanted that puzzle piece. When GW insisted that Pickett now has a responsibility to be a consistent top 3 player at melbourne for the next 10 years, Simmo disagreed saying he just had to play his role.

Was always a fan of simmo, but not hard to see why our list got to where it was and players becoming complacent.

I haven't listened yet (I will), but if your take is anything close to the mark then yeah, that is quite average - albeit with the caveat that list managers and CEOs have the job of managing the cap and essentially trade price, not the senior coach typically. He could be very poorly saying that isn't his consideration.

 

[Keys]

I haven't listened yet (I will), but if your take is anything close to the mark then yeah, that is quite average - albeit with the caveat that list managers and CEOs have the job of managing the cap and essentially trade price, not the senior coach typically. He could be very poorly saying that isn't his consideration.

Basically said that he didn’t know what most players were paid and didn’t concern himself with the salary cap - just wanted to know if they had a player squared away

He did also say that the figures reported in the media were usually wrong- said later on Scotty and Goss that the amount reported re Kelly was way over what he was actually getting

I’ve never been a fan of players salaries being made public knowledge but are learning towards that changing - especially when the amounts are consistently overstated in the media and then taken as gospel. The perception of Kelly suffers considerably because we as supporters think he’s overpaid based on what we think he gets when according to Simpson it’s way less in reality

 

[Mop]

I haven't listened yet (I will), but if your take is anything close to the mark then yeah, that is quite average - albeit with the caveat that list managers and CEOs have the job of managing the cap and essentially trade price, not the senior coach typically. He could be very poorly saying that isn't his consideration.

I make it akin to a toddler asking you for a Supermegaultra2000 toy that costs $1000. They don't care about what it costs or how you get it, they just want it for their toybox.
It isn't the toddler's prerogative to think practical, they just think about their want or desire.

Is that naive for a senior coach? Extremely. I believe it a flaw. I would hope McQualter is more big picture pragmatic, but at least it isn't like the premier league where an old school manager has total control.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

speaking of reckless, simmo on whatley this morning was painting himself as very reckless when it comes to list management.

I'm para-phasing here but, as they discussed the merits of the pickett deal, simmo said he didnt care what a player was paid or what it cost to get them in. He just wanted that puzzle piece. When GW insisted that Pickett now has a responsibility to be a consistent top 3 player at melbourne for the next 10 years, Simmo disagreed saying he just had to play his role.

Was always a fan of simmo, but not hard to see why our list got to where it was and players becoming complacent.

Coaches want players for roles, it's on others to sort out the cap and manage the list.

 

[Mop]

Basically said that he didn’t know what most players were paid and didn’t concern himself with the salary cap - just wanted to know if they had a player squared away

He did also say that the figures reported in the media were usually wrong- said later on Scotty and Goss that the amount reported re Kelly was way over what he was actually getting

I’ve never been a fan of players salaries being made public knowledge but are learning towards that changing - especially when the amounts are consistently overstated in the media and then taken as gospel. The perception of Kelly suffers considerably because we as supporters think he’s overpaid based on what we think he gets when according to Simpson it’s way less in reality

See, I still think that is naive. You can make the counterarguement I suppose that the senior coach has enough to deal with without stressing on the financials.

I don't subscribe to it, but I can see it

 

[Westend]

That’s just stupid by Melbourne just insane players have too much power over clubs

 

[Keys]

See, I still think that is naive. You can make the counterarguement I suppose that the senior coach has enough to deal with without stressing on the financials.

I don't subscribe to it, but I can see it

We didn’t go over the salary cap at any stage nor did we have to jettison players to keep us under the cap

It’s possible we were unable to target a player we would have liked because we didn’t have the cap space but I don’t think that’s the case

In my opinion, it’s not the coach’s job to manage the cap. His input should be yes I want that player in my team or not necessarily then list management do what’s necessary to sign the player up

 

[Mop]

We didn’t go over the salary cap at any stage nor did we have to jettison players to keep us under the cap

It’s possible we were unable to target a player we would have liked because we didn’t have the cap space but I don’t think that’s the case

In my opinion, it’s not the coach’s job to manage the cap. His input should be yes I want that player in my team or not necessarily then list management do what’s necessary to sign the player up

I concur it isn't the SC's job to manage the cap. That isn't my viewpoint. I believe it should be a consideration. IE, you can have Dev Rob or Erasmus, but Erasmus will be 200k a year more with an extra year (pure hypothetical numbers I made up for the sake of exercise) SC has no understanding of the nuance between the two and makes no weighted decision or opinion based on that? That would irritate me.

 

[06Premiers]

Pickett has apparently signed to 2034 on a deal worth $12.5m

Seems reckless by Melbourne who are already stuck with a long term deal for Oliver. Lot of money for a small forward albeit a very talented one who can impact through midfield in bursts

Impactful player, but also suspended at least 3 games per year. Crazy contract!
Is a 33yo Kozzy going to be worth $1.4M? Doubt it.

 

[Mop]

Impactful player, but also suspended at least 3 games per year. Crazy contract!
Is a 33yo Kozzy going to be worth $1.4M? Doubt it.

Definitely not worth it, very poor business. A good, explosive player with heaps of X factor, but that's a lot of $$$ for a player in the extremities. 9 year deal too. Oooof. Huge risk.

I presume they don't expect to have any other big $$$ names in the next few years

 

[Boohemian]

Clubs should't be entering into 9 year contracts with any player. It's absolutely crazy.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Impactful player, but also suspended at least 3 games per year. Crazy contract!
Is a 33yo Kozzy going to be worth $1.4M? Doubt it.

Not in direct relation to the Kozzy deal, but $1.4m in 2034 is not the same as $1.4m now.

Who knows where the cap goes, but the growth from 23 to 27 which is confirmed shows that $1.4m then is probably going to be a pretty standard wage for a "good" player, and a lot less than what the really good players will be commanding.

• 2023: $15.022 million
• 2024: $15.788 million
• 2025: $17.76 million
• 2026: $18.29 million
• 2027: $18.44 million

 

[DanWCE]

Has anyone cracked the Harry Edwards Code sports article yet? I didn't know he was close to being traded to the Dees.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Better stock pile your proctosedyl for Archer's contract extension in 2027 then DS.

Clubs dont fork out a million year unless the player is worth it.

Meh, believe that one when i see it.

Would wanna kick a goal at some point you'd think. Been a couple months now.



2027 is a good timeframe. 2 more years to see if he can learn to hit the side of a barn when kicking for goal, or if that fails, has learnt to contribute properly as a defender. Like most of us all want.

 

[bzparkes]

Has anyone cracked the Harry Edwards Code sports article yet? I didn't know he was close to being traded to the Dees.

Haven't read the article but I recall Melbourne were making a play before he re-signed, which was when we basically knew for sure that Barrass was out the door.

 

[Tugga27]

I didn't realise Melbourne still have to pay a chunk of change for Brayshaw either.

Kysaiah Pickett monster nine-year deal is both a monumental coup and an unfathomable risk for Melbourne

https://archive.ph/PGjEL#selection-673.0-673.103

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

speaking of reckless, simmo on whatley this morning was painting himself as very reckless when it comes to list management.

I'm para-phasing here but, as they discussed the merits of the pickett deal, simmo said he didnt care what a player was paid or what it cost to get them in. He just wanted that puzzle piece. When GW insisted that Pickett now has a responsibility to be a consistent top 3 player at melbourne for the next 10 years, Simmo disagreed saying he just had to play his role.

Was always a fan of simmo, but not hard to see why our list got to where it was and players becoming complacent.

Will have a listen but this isn’t unusual and I’d say it’s not reckless.

Good organisations get the players they want.

I don’t think our list caved in because he traded for Kelly and gave overs.

It caved in because recruiters missed pick after pick in the draft 2014-2018, and injury issues with Yeo, McGovern and Shuey.

Simmo’s statements are no different to McCrae’s “I want players not picks”.

People over value draft picks.

 

[Mop]

Not in direct relation to the Kozzy deal, but $1.4m in 2034 is not the same as $1.4m now.

Who knows where the cap goes, but the growth from 23 to 27 which is confirmed shows that $1.4m then is probably going to be a pretty standard wage for a "good" player, and a lot less than what the really good players will be commanding.

• 2023: $15.022 million
• 2024: $15.788 million
• 2025: $17.76 million
• 2026: $18.29 million
• 2027: $18.44 million

I did have the same thought when it was being compared to Lance Franklin's 1.2 deal 10 years ago.

 

[Smotie2]

speaking of reckless, simmo on whatley this morning was painting himself as very reckless when it comes to list management.

I'm para-phasing here but, as they discussed the merits of the pickett deal, simmo said he didnt care what a player was paid or what it cost to get them in. He just wanted that puzzle piece. When GW insisted that Pickett now has a responsibility to be a consistent top 3 player at melbourne for the next 10 years, Simmo disagreed saying he just had to play his role.

Was always a fan of simmo, but not hard to see why our list got to where it was and players becoming complacent.

I'm surprised anyone wants to know what simmo has to say about list management and list building.
He's got zero idea about it
He Inherited most of the players from wooshas time that got the premiership and then proceeded to **** the place up royally with these attitudes and ideas about list management.
That's why we're still suffering from the tk trade.

 

[WCE777]

Maybe talent experts know more about talls, football and development than certain Archer critics on here?

I still think A Reid is going to be our next generation ruck, super athletic, can tap ruck very well also and maybe he is TDK athletic.
He kicks for goal like a ruckman!!