List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Happy Mastenator]

2020-2024 trade ins (and some out)

Grundy was pretty known.

Taylor Adams a fail so far?

Aaron Francis fail.

Hamling fail.

James Jordan a pass but was an ok player and ‘premiership play’ at his old club.

Ladhams fail

(traded out Dawson and Hewett)
Fail

Traded out Alir for Hickey fail.

I just don’t see it.

Academy along with nice late picks and development has saved them imo.

To be fair both of them left. Swans mates were very upset when Dawson left and felt they got ripped off in the trade.

Funnily enough the pick they got ended up at hawthorn who used it on Weddle. Bet they’d like that pick back.

 

[stallon]

It’s very clear we’ve drafted to move the ball forwards, win the contest and ground ball then follow this up with defensive pressure.

My concern is who is going to be delivering the ball into the F50 to the advantage of our tall forwards? All well and good to have a particular game style but we also need to play to our strengths which is our tall forwards and will continue to be for some time having just drafted Archer and Shanahan.

Perhaps the idea is that it doesnt really matter if the KPFs mark it. We have a lot of small forwards and
We dont have any "elite" kicks in the middle, but guys like Hewett and Reid are both still pretty good kicks, its not like theyll be kicking it 5m away from the forward every time to the advantage of the defender.

I agree our KPFs are a strength, but you can use that strength in more way than one, we dont have to pinpoint it to them, we can probably rely on them a bit more so we dont have to be precise.
Our KPFs are good enough to not get beaten very often, if they can make contests and bring it to ground we might theoretically have enough small/medium forwards who can apply pressure. Take Ryan out of the forward line and replace him with someone who wants to tackle, then replace Darling with someone more mobile, its already a lot better at trapping the ball in.

 

[eaglevision]

Perhaps the idea is that it doesnt really matter if the KPFs mark it. We have a lot of small forwards and
We dont have any "elite" kicks in the middle, but guys like Hewett and Reid are both still pretty good kicks, its not like theyll be kicking it 5m away from the forward every time to the advantage of the defender.

I agree our KPFs are a strength, but you can use that strength in more way than one, we dont have to pinpoint it to them, we can probably rely on them a bit more so we dont have to be precise.
Our KPFs are good enough to not get beaten very often, if they can make contests and bring it to ground we might theoretically have enough small/medium forwards who can apply pressure. Take Ryan out of the forward line and replace him with someone who wants to tackle, then replace Darling with someone more mobile, its already a lot better at trapping the ball in.

I think it’s folly to suggest it doesn’t matter if our KPFs mark it. They are easy goals if they create separation and we have players that can put it on the spot. Clearly the ground ball is what we’ve drafted for, but let’s not forget we can still hit a target lace out.

 

[Elite Pete]

Hewett didn’t go home so I assume for money or opportunity which he didn’t or couldn’t get at Sydney.

 

[Elite Pete]

To be fair both of them left. Swans mates were very upset when Dawson left and felt they got ripped off in the trade.

Funnily enough the pick they got ended up at hawthorn who used it on Weddle. Bet they’d like that pick back.

Hewett didn’t go home so I assume for money or opportunity which he didn’t or couldn’t get at Sydney.

 

[stallon]

I think it’s folly to suggest it doesn’t matter if our KPFs mark it. They are easy goals if they create separation and we have players that can put it on the spot. Clearly the ground ball is what we’ve drafted for, but let’s not forget we can still hit a target lace out.

Yeah definitely not forgetting that we can focus on elite ball use, but there is more than one way to make use of elite KPFs.
Waterman and Allen are both good enough that defenders HAVE to respect them, and cant zone off much to intercept. We can use that.

This years score sources were: about at the AFL average from kickins(4 per game), 14th from stoppage(30.7) and 18th from turnover(34.6).
Our drafting seems to be trying to address this.

If we can change those stoppage and turnover scoring stats, we will improve pretty quickly. Focusing on big, quick and aggressive mids will deliver that.
Its not like our mids are bad kicks, theyre just not elite.

I have faith our KPFs will do just fine despite not having any elite kicks delivering it to them lace out all day

 

[Rowan18]

Think you nailed it. But I'll be honest I disliked the rugby style of the Tigers as a neutral. I guess though if the team starts winning again it won't matter that much.

I hated it too, but the AFL loved speed and scoring, so that's the way it has been.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

We Don’t need elite kicks inside fifty if we can move the ball fast and get the ball into an open forward line.

If we play our old slow style then you rely on elite kicks more often to hit your forwards in a contested crowded forward line

We don’t want a bunch of guys that kick flower bags, but decent kicks with penetration has always proved a winner if you move it fast.

 

[eaglevision]

We Don’t need elite kicks inside fifty if we can move the ball fast and get the ball into an open forward line.

If we play our old slow style then you rely on elite kicks more often to hit your forwards in a contested crowded forward line

We don’t want a bunch of guys that kick flower bags, but decent kicks with penetration has always proved a winner if you move it fast.

You do make a particularly good point here, but watch Merrett’s goal assists for Essendon this year, Coleman carving very good sides up for Brisbane the year before or the ongoing damage Houston and Ed Richards do. Even just one player whose hands we look to put the ball into to deliver i50 would make a huge difference.

 

[TheBudgies]

You do make a particularly good point here, but watch Merrett’s goal assists for Essendon this year, Coleman carving very good sides up for Brisbane the year before or the ongoing damage Houston and Ed Richards do. Even just one player whose hands we look to put the ball into to deliver i50 would make a huge difference.

Dewar and Long are pretty great kicks. Albeit without the distance on it. They could be pretty great on a quick break where they get it 60 - 80 from goal precision 30-35m Kicks.

Yeo, Reid, Allan all have pretty good kicks but can kick it further but less precise. Think they have the 'good enough' kick to get Allan/Waterman the better opportunity. They're pretty mobile in their routes for key forwards so should be able to make up for the not quite elite kicks when they're longer kicks.

 

[eaglevision]

Dewar and Long are pretty great kicks. Albeit without the distance on it. They could be pretty great on a quick break where they get it 60 - 80 from goal precision 30-35m Kicks.

Yeo, Reid, Allan all have pretty good kicks but can kick it further but less precise. Think they have the 'good enough' kick to get Allan/Waterman the better opportunity. They're pretty mobile in their routes for key forwards so should be able to make up for the not quite elite kicks when they're longer kicks.

With a fit squad Long and Dewar are going to have to bide their time in the 2s but yes are two of the better kicks in the team. Allan is a shocking kick. Penetration is fine but he struggles to hit even 20-25m targets, there’s no way he’d reliably kick it to advantage let alone consistently hit up a lead. Yeo’s work going i50 was very good this year and Harley’s kicking is very underrated due to all the other tricks in his bag but his penetration, accuracy and weighting are all very good.

 

[Bender_]

We Don’t need elite kicks inside fifty if we can move the ball fast and get the ball into an open forward line.

If we play our old slow style then you rely on elite kicks more often to hit your forwards in a contested crowded forward line

We don’t want a bunch of guys that kick flower bags, but decent kicks with penetration has always proved a winner if you move it fast.

These days it's defensive set-ups that stop elite marking forwards more than elite 1 on 1 defenders. Getting the ball in fast to our forwards's advantage is what we've been screaming out for for years, instead of the mark 70m out, walk slowly back behind the mark, don't honour the first 4 leads then kick it long and high to the top of the square. Makes me feel nauseous just thinking about it.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

With a fit squad Long and Dewar are going to have to bide their time in the 2s

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Dewar isn't in our Round 1 side. Finished last year well and we're a side in transition. The exact type of player whose development should be prioritised.

Long has to prove his fitness in the 2s, fair enough there.

 

[stallon]

You do make a particularly good point here, but watch Merrett’s goal assists for Essendon this year, Coleman carving very good sides up for Brisbane the year before or the ongoing damage Houston and Ed Richards do. Even just one player whose hands we look to put the ball into to deliver i50 would make a huge difference.

Essendon, Brisbane and the Bulldogs dont have the same sort of mids we do/will have. They are far less aggressive or quick with the ball than what we project to be. They need the elite ball use because they dont have the capacity to burst from stoppage like we will have, outside Brisbane with the occasions they put Rayner in the middle.

Ill agree with Port with Houston and Farrell, but they also have worse forwards who need the better delivery.

Teams are different, completely different squads means different playstyles. No club in the comp has as many big bodied, athletic mids as we have. No club has ever really been close either.

 

[stallon]

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Dewar isn't in our Round 1 side. Finished last year well and we're a side in transition. The exact type of player whose development should be prioritised.

Long has to prove his fitness in the 2s, fair enough there.

Cant just put someone in because we are transitioning the squad, still needs to be selection integrity. If hes not best 25 at least, or in our 3 or 4 best small/medium forwards depending on how many Mini wants to have he has no business being in the side. No guarantees hes in that group.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Cant just put someone in because we are transitioning the squad, still needs to be selection integrity. If hes not best 25 at least, or in our 3 or 4 best small/medium forwards depending on how many Mini wants to have he has no business being in the side. No guarantees hes in that group.

I'd say he earned his spot on merit at the end of last season. Don't see how selecting him would harm selection integrity at all.

Wouldn't mind seeing Ryan having to fight for his spot to start the season.

 

[stallon]

I'd say he earned his spot on merit at the end of last season. Don't see how selecting him would harm selection integrity at all.

Wouldn't mind seeing Ryan having to fight for his spot to start the season.

Its a new coach, no credits is the general idea. If Dewar is given a spot based of 2024 performance and not off what Mini has been working with over the off-seeason then what are we even doing?

Id expect everyone is fighting for their spot, especially 20 year olds with 7 games under their belt who play a position we have a lot of depth in.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Dewar isn't in our Round 1 side. Finished last year well and we're a side in transition. The exact type of player whose development should be prioritised.

Long has to prove his fitness in the 2s, fair enough there.

Daresay you're going to be disappointed fam.

Long returning through the WAFL makes sense and i think that'll happen, but Dewar probably doesn't have the credits/rep to start ahead of Owies, Cripps or Ryan. Brockman might even edge him as well.

Then there's Hewett most likely rotating off the HFF. Only so many places in that FWD line or our bench for Dewar call his.

 

[TheBudgies]

FFRyanO.AllenJ.Williams
HFLongWatermanCripps
CDugganYeoHunt
HBMaricMcGovernGinbey
FBBakerH.EdwardsHough
FollowersFlynnReidGraham
I/CHutchinsonHewett (Dewar Vs Owies)
Kelly
Sub Allan

This is how I have it at present. I think 4 small/med Fwds make it. I don't think Long will be ready round 1 but I feel he should be in the team.

 

[TheBudgies]

With a fit squad Long and Dewar are going to have to bide their time in the 2s but yes are two of the better kicks in the team. Allan is a shocking kick. Penetration is fine but he struggles to hit even 20-25m targets, there’s no way he’d reliably kick it to advantage let alone consistently hit up a lead. Yeo’s work going i50 was very good this year and Harley’s kicking is very underrated due to all the other tricks in his bag but his penetration, accuracy and weighting are all very good.

I disagree on Allan. In the situation I described he's a good kick. He struggles with short chip kicks, he's actually quite good on long kicks, especially when on the run.

 

[stallon]

FFRyanO.AllenJ.Williams
HFLongWatermanCripps
CDugganYeoHunt
HBMaricMcGovernGinbey
FBBakerH.EdwardsHough
FollowersFlynnReidGraham
I/CHutchinsonHewett (Dewar Vs Owies)
Kelly
Sub Allan

This is how I have it at present. I think 4 small/med Fwds make it. I don't think Long will be ready round 1 but I feel he should be in the team.

Owies is probably the most likely of our small forwards to get a game in round 1. Forgetting any sorts of credits, hes in his prime, is the most prolific goal kicker of our small forwards in recent years, and we know hes a professional who will work/train hard(thats why we got him).
He would be comfortably in our best 22, hes likely the first choice of our small forwards right now. Ryan doesnt train well, Cripps is older, and the rest are kids.

I know people like to talk him down because Carlton were shopping him around, and we got him cheap, but hes still a decent player

 

[amazingjoshy]

I disagree on Allan. In the situation I described he's a good kick. He struggles with short chip kicks, he's actually quite good on long kicks, especially when on the run.

Don't worry, once you've been around these parts for a while you'll quickly learn there's quite a few things that become talked about as fact by alot of posters that's aren't exactly the truth

The "Allan cant kick" one has already taken hold failry quickly despite all draft profiles seem to say quite the opposite

 

[stallon]

Don't worry, once you've been around these parts for a while you'll quickly learn there's quite a few things that become talked about as fact by alot of posters that's aren't exactly the truth

The "Allan cant kick" one has already taken hold failry quickly despite all draft profiles seem to say quite the opposite

Its crazy how quickly people take "not an elite kick" to mean they can barely hit a 30m pass.

If you asked a bunch of people here youd think the team is full of players who cant kick at all

 

[Notmuchofanexpert]

I’ve said it before on here, but if we can throw everything at Leek Aleer he’d be the perfect signing for our squad to start 2026.

Hough, Edwards/Bazzo, Ginbey
Duggan, Aleer, Baker
Maric as the 7th man

Cole, Hunt as mature depth.

That’s a premiership winning defence for mine.

Are there any other noteworthy CHB on the market we could grab?

 

[stallon]

I’ve said it before on here, but if we can throw everything at Leek Aleer he’d be the perfect signing for our squad to start 2026.

Hough, Edwards/Bazzo, Ginbey
Duggan, Aleer, Baker
Maric as the 7th man

Cole, Hunt as mature depth.

That’s a premiership winning defence for mine.

Are there any other noteworthy CHB on the market we could grab?

Bazzo is probably a CHB too, imo we need a full back more than we need a CHB. Any of our KPFs who turn into a defender would probably fit better as a CHB, and Maric/Ginbey can fill in on the 2nd KPF if we are desperate.

Zach Reid is one we might be able to tempt(if we think we can get him fit) of the current players OOC in 2025.