List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Elite Pete]

looks like Kuol Mun was monstered against the most AFL ready ruck in the VFL.
Given he is almost 23 years old, I'm cooling interest on him.

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Yeah with only one MSD pick it’s probably a pass atm, see how we goes over the next 2 weeks.

Maybe a rookie draft if we cut deep again in the off season

 

[Happy Mastenator]

looks like Kuol Mun was monstered against the most AFL ready ruck in the VFL.
Given he is almost 23 years old, I'm cooling interest on him.

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Understand he’s 23, but doesn’t he have like 18 months of footy experience? Also hasn’t been in proper weight room to build strength. We need to look long term.

 

[WCE777]

I think Greggo could very easily take Duggan’s spot, I also want to draft Lindsay who’d instantly displace Cole as well. Keeping Cole is one thing, but you absolutely don’t offer more than a 1 year deal, he’s
barely AFL standard.

I don’t care what Allen wants to be perfectly honest, might sound harsh but pick 2 for him is an absolute gift and if we don’t take that, it’d confirm to me we have no idea what we’re doing. Oscar’s knee isn’t lasting 5 years and even when he has played he hasn’t even been very good, he can’t even complete training sessions this season. Let him go, we’ve already got a log jam of key forwards and it wouldn’t shock me if we take Cody Curtin.

Grego is no where near taking Duggans spot, 2 years at the least and the same with Cole, no one is taking his spot for 2 years at least.
These players we have to replace them are kids, 18yo players who haven't established themselves to be top WAFL players yet.
Even Gross who is a surprise package is 2 years away from being able to compete in the midfield without being belted to bits.
If the offer to Oscar doesn't get signed then take the pick 2, no problem.
Then you want to draft another KPF in Curtin?
The reason we can let Allen go is we have stocks already, not all ready to replace him but decent stocks.
If Allen goes we use his pick on a midfielder.

 

[WCE777]

looks like Kuol Mun was monstered against the most AFL ready ruck in the VFL.
Given he is almost 23 years old, I'm cooling interest on him.

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I actually can't see him as a viable option.

 

[twce13]

Understand he’s 23, but doesn’t he have like 18 months of footy experience? Also hasn’t been in proper weight room to build strength. We need to look long term.

not ruling out that he could have a steep improvement inside the AFL system, just worry about another list clogger in the ruck department. If we choose to take him I'm backing him in ofc, but I certainly dont think he will be contributing at senior levels in 2025 (which is fine btw). But it becomes a hard sell when considering who is BPA in two weeks time when we will almost certainly have pick 1.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Cole has been dropped to sub or to the WAFL twice in the last 3 weeks.

I think your assessment on our list management is obscene.

We have 3 objectives this year as far as list management goes: Create draft capital, contract promising young layers, continue turning the list over and exiting older crew.

Your approach achieves none of those things.

Oscar leaving is a non-negotiable on two fronts. We need the picks and we have depth in that postion. Him staying create a bottle neck and (worst case scenario) risks us losing one of Reid/Shanahan.

We need to give both a clear pathway to AFL, preferably in the forward line.

Our list is also incredibly unbalanced. We need to offload some of our talls to redeploy the capital on quality mids.

Oscar leaving is the cleanest way to achieve this, and would give us the best result.

Oscar leaving achieves all those things. Oscar staying exacerbates the problem.

Bazzo should not be delisted. He’s putting together a solid body of work in the WAFL and has shown that he is still AFL quality.

Kelly I don’t mind recontracting on a less lucrative deal with the understanding that he won’t be playing premium midfield minutes.

He was wasteful in front of goals yesterday but 9 score involvements from 16 disposals is an impactful score line for a half forward.

If Bazzo makes it what kind of defender is he likely to be? I don't watch the WAFL games. I know he is 195 cm. Is he big enough and strong enough to play on key forwards (or is he likely to be that in the future) or would he need to be matched up on medium size forwards only?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Do people seriously see us getting Pick 2 for Allen? Like who's paying enough to ensure we get that compo for him?

Cannot see it happening.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

If Bazzo makes it what kind of defender is he likely to be? I don't watch the WAFL games. I know he is 195 cm. Is he big enough and strong enough to play on key forwards (or is he likely to be that in the future) or would he need to be matched up on medium size forwards only?

People think he is too slight to be a one on one defender, but i disagree. He wins and halves many contests at wafl level and was able to play both intercept and lockdown roles in his draft year.

He reads the play well, marks well, is a good ball user and is quick. He can beat you in the air then hurt you the other way. There is zero doubt there is a quality AFL player in there.

 

[twce13]

Do people seriously see us getting Pick 2 for Allen? Like who's paying enough to ensure we get that compo for him?

Cannot see it happening.

the way i see it is, we get pick 2 or the club match and he stays.
He is a talented player and someone like smitch could roll the dice in terms of $ to get a piece their squad is missing and cannot be addressed in the draft as ready made (KPF).

Given some of the B grade players that have resulted in a Band 1 compo in recent years, it really isnt farfetched.

 

[squashface]

Do people seriously see us getting Pick 2 for Allen? Like who's paying enough to ensure we get that compo for him?

Cannot see it happening.

He wouldn't be considering leaving unless if it was for big money.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Do people seriously see us getting Pick 2 for Allen? Like who's paying enough to ensure we get that compo for him?

Cannot see it happening.

I don't either. I think the alleged big money offers are just an attempt to bluff us into giving him the contact he wants. I think he will end up reluctantly taking the 4 year deal we have offered him.

 

[TerryFilk]

Not trying to nit pick or anything but looking at something else I noticed he was the only Eagles player on the weekend to go at 100% DE. Might pick the wrong option here and there but if he is going at 100% he is probably not a horrible ball user.

Only 2 rebound 50’s, zero inside 50’s, nearly all of his disposals were uncontested, 8 handballs and only 100 metres gained. Our defenders DE will often be inflated given they do a lot of 1-2’s that result in nothing. 4 of Cole’s touches actually came in like a 1 minute span where he and I forget who handballed it to each other three consecutive times in their own defensive 50, lol.

Disposal efficiency can be a very flawed stat if you’re just looking at that in isolation.

For the season though his DE is ranked as average, he’s below average in effective disposals and below average in pretty much every other statistical category.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Do people seriously see us getting Pick 2 for Allen? Like who's paying enough to ensure we get that compo for him?

Cannot see it happening.

If his contract triggers Band 1 compo, then our compo pick will be after our first round pick. If we win the spoon that’ll make it pick 2. If we somehow go on a massive tear in the next few months and win a flag, it’ll be pick 19. That’s how the system works.

There’s no situation where the AFL says “well he’s not quite worth pick 2, you can have pick 10”.

 

[twce13]

People think he is too slight to be a one on one defender, but i disagree. He wins and halves many contests at wafl level and was able to play both intercept and lockdown roles in his draft year.

He reads the play well, marks well, is a good ball user and is quick. He can beat you in the air then hurt you the other way. There is zero doubt there is a quality AFL player in there.

I'd say given how tall some of the KPFs are becoming in modern footy though, it's not unreasonable to suggest he isn't a pure KPD. A 3rd tall -- perhaps a 2nd in a pinch -- is more fitting. Agree though that there is a place for him. But a genuine lock down KPD remains a massive list need.

 

[TerryFilk]

Do people seriously see us getting Pick 2 for Allen? Like who's paying enough to ensure we get that compo for him?

Cannot see it happening.

Yes, because he wouldn’t be considering leaving if he didn’t get good offers. The fact we’ve tabled him a deal and he views it as no where near good enough, means he has bigger offers, Tom Morris who whether you guys like or not - is the best news breaker in the sport and has said repeatedly if the season ended today Oscar would be off to Brisbane.

Brisbane aren’t going to risk us matching a bid, they’ll make sure it’s band 1 to avoid having to give up assets for him.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

If his contract triggers Band 1 compo, then our compo pick will be after our first round pick. If we win the spoon that’ll make it pick 2. If we somehow go on a massive tear in the next few months and win a flag, it’ll be pick 19. That’s how the system works.

There’s no situation where the AFL says “well he’s not quite worth pick 2, you can have pick 10”.

I get all that, what I'm doubting is that there's a club out there willing to pay enough to trigger Band 1.

 

[WCE777]

Cole has been dropped to sub or to the WAFL twice in the last 3 weeks.

I think your assessment on our list management is obscene.

We have 3 objectives this year as far as list management goes: Create draft capital, contract promising young layers, continue turning the list over and exiting older crew.

Your approach achieves none of those things.

Oscar leaving is a non-negotiable on two fronts. We need the picks and we have depth in that postion. Him staying create a bottle neck and (worst case scenario) risks us losing one of Reid/Shanahan.

We need to give both a clear pathway to AFL, preferably in the forward line.

Our list is also incredibly unbalanced. We need to offload some of our talls to redeploy the capital on quality mids.

Oscar leaving is the cleanest way to achieve this, and would give us the best result.

Oscar leaving achieves all those things. Oscar staying exacerbates the problem.

Bazzo should not be delisted. He’s putting together a solid body of work in the WAFL and has shown that he is still AFL quality.

Kelly I don’t mind recontracting on a less lucrative deal with the understanding that he won’t be playing premium midfield minutes.

He was wasteful in front of goals yesterday but 9 score involvements from 16 disposals is an impactful score line for a half forward.

Have to agree to disagree on list needs.
We need mids all day long, that we can agree on
The glaring issue is the quality young mids through the draft and quality mids 22-26.
These are the issues that need addressing first.

If Oscar leaving gets us pick 2-3 then great, I'm all in on picking 2 best mids with our 1st 2 picks.
From there we are in desperate need of a mature A or B grade mid to be around for 6+ years, this is the same list need as drafting kids and hoping they work out in 3-4 years.

All our resources should be put into achieving a trade for mature talent as much as drafting top end kids, we can't just keep getting younger and expect better results.

If we draft 2 top mids with Oscar leaving then I would be putting our other draft capital into trading in a quality mid with the rest, we have Hawks 1st, WC2nd, Hawks 2nd and WCF1st to play with.
That will create a balanced list.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I get all that, what I'm doubting is that there's a club out there willing to pay enough to trigger Band 1.

If someone offered enough for Ben friggen McKay to trigger Band 1, then surely Oscar will get the same.

 

[Coasters7]

I've never understood why Cole triggers people so much. He's just a run of the mill small defender. Surely there are other players in the team to get fired up about.

All good to have 1-2 like him but our whole list is full of the same player. Duggan, Cole, Hough, Baker.

Hough is young so he gets a pass but the rest arent elite at anything. Average to poor pace, average to poor disposal, not great in the air, shit composure and can’t find the ball, so what do they do?

And then further up the ground you have similar players in other positions. Cripps, Owies, Graham, Hunt.


They’re all honest triers and I like what Graham and Baker have brought, plus what Cripps does.

But is there room for 8 senior players doing f*ck all when we’re already carrying low possession kids and no A grade senior players to offset it?

 

[WCE777]

People think he is too slight to be a one on one defender, but i disagree. He wins and halves many contests at wafl level and was able to play both intercept and lockdown roles in his draft year.

He reads the play well, marks well, is a good ball user and is quick. He can beat you in the air then hurt you the other way. There is zero doubt there is a quality AFL player in there.

Have to agree with Bazzo, he has AFL qualities if he can get his body right.
He might be a 3rd tall at worst or depth if he stays injury free.
The question is, is he in front of Maric.
He deserves another 1 year contract to see if he is that player.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

If Allen was claiming to have those offers from North or St Kilda then i would give it some degree of plausability. Because those clubs likely have the cap space and are badly run enough and crazy enough to throw money around in that way. But the fact that he is claiming to have these offers from two top 4 clubs in Brisbane and Hawthorn is too much for me to swallow. I call definate BS on it.

I doubt they have the cap space to start with. And i can't see those clubs risking blowing up the dynamic they have in their clubs where the players collectively are prepared to take less than top dollar with contracts by bringing in injury riddled Oscar who is playing so badly he should be dropped to the WAFL on some monster contract that makes him the highest paid player at the club. I don't buy that at all.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If Allen was claiming to have those offers from North or St Kilda then i would give it some degree of plausability. Because those clubs likely have the cap space and are badly run enough and crazy enough to throw money around in that way. But the fact that he is claiming to have these offers from two top 4 clubs in Brisbane and Hawthorn is too much for me to swallow. I call definate BS on it.

I doubt they have the cap space to start with. And i can't see those clubs risking blowing up the dynamic they have in their clubs where the players collectively are prepared to take less than top dollar with contracts by bringing in injury riddled Oscar who is playing so badly he should be dropped to the WAFL on some monster contract that makes him the highest paid player at the club. I don't buy that at all.

Community notes: Oscar Allen has not in fact made any claim about what offers he does or does not have.

 

[Hook461123]

Because they are players of need and quality.
You go after players you want not just what other clubs don't.
Ward is OOC and if the Hawks were thinking he is best 22 in front of Worpel he would have already signed a new contract with them, they also have Hustwaite pushing for a spot and he would be gettable at a price. Our 2nd round pick and maybe something on top and 5 years.
Flanders is contracted totally, but GC have their 3 top mids set in Rowell/Anderson/Miller and heaps of mids waiting in the wings plus another 2 or 3 first round academy players this year. They are playing Flanders out of position because of this and I think he is an A grade mid in our side.
Yes I believe we will have to give up a 1st round pick for him, but it will be a late 1st and a 5+ year contract. Bundle up our 2nd pick and Hawks 2nd and that would be a decent deal for Flanders.
They also need to sell their 3 1st round picks for points, do a deal on our F1st for their best pick so we can land another top 10 pick.
I am of the opinion that we are better to buy a player of these types with draft capital and salary than just keep drafting 18 year olds and hoping they all turn out.
We definitely need 1 of them along with drafting top talent.

There’s lots of players we’d want but doesn’t mean they’re gettable. Think you’re sincerely underestimating what they would cost in draft capital. Ward is a pick 7 who is just starting to hit his stride. Played 8 games this year and is avg 20disposals. Hawks aren’t trading him for a second rounder likely to be in the 30’s. Being out of contract means nothing unless they are a free agent. Look what we paid for an out of contract Baker.
They haven’t re-signed Worpal yet. He’s probably more gettable than Ward.
Your not getting Flanders for a late first either. He’s costing at least a top 10pick imo maybe more.
I don’t mind the idea but I think your expectations on value are way unders.

 

[Keys]

Do people seriously see us getting Pick 2 for Allen? Like who's paying enough to ensure we get that compo for him?

Cannot see it happening.

This is the AFL

The formula for FA compensation is opaque at best so it’s unclear exactly what the contract would need to be to trigger Band 1. What we do know is both Battle and Perryman were able to trigger Band 1 with 5+ year contracts around the $900k per year mark

I think a side in contention that needs a KPF (like Brisbane or Hawthorn) would be prepared to offer something like that for a player like Allen - especially considering they wouldn’t need to forego a draft pick to get him

And this is where the AFL step in. We have a case for some sort of priority pick/draft assistance that will get pushback from the other AFL clubs which puts the AFL in a tricky spot.

They know we need help but will be reluctant to provide it - ensuring Allen receives band 1 compensation gives us the draft help we need without it being a priority pick. Smoke and mirrors but that’s how they operate

They did very similar with Josh Battle last year making sure he got Band 1 and quieting St Kilda who’s president had been very vocal about draft equity. (Note also that Hawthorn were paying less than the Saints offer to Battle)

If Allen does leave, and that’s not a certainty IMO, then we’ll get Band 1 compo

 

[WCE777]

I'd say given how tall some of the KPFs are becoming in modern footy though, it's not unreasonable to suggest he isn't a pure KPD. A 3rd tall -- perhaps a 2nd in a pinch -- is more fitting. Agree though that there is a place for him. But a genuine lock down KPD remains a massive list need.

totally agree with your assessment of Bazzo.
This will need to be a priority if we don't have plans for A Reid to develop there.
Still need another if he does.