List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[WCE777]

I'd propose the following:



Clears 5 senior list spots, 1 rookie spot.

Hunt, Kelly, and Cripps on reduced salaries, clears cap space. We should use this to chase another FA signing (list here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1300294/2025-afl-restricted-and-unrestricted-free-agent-list)

Thanks for having a go.
While there are a couple of players in that list of FA, Bont or Ed Richards aren't coming.
Bont is the ideal for a 3 year deal but can't realistically see it happening, they are the only A grade FA's that I would have a go at.

I agree with your delist players and would add Barnett to that.
I agree with your 1 & 2 year deals list.
I disagree with Cole.
Allen is the easy one, he either takes a reasonable deal from WC or we take the pick 2 FA compo and get another elite young mid. I am not fussed either way because he is quality KP player in the right age range we lack experience and they are too hard to replace.
If Oscar goes then we need another KPD, we either buy 1 or draft 1.
I would be trying to pry Z Reid but I can't see that happening either, so our options are really Busslinger who looks every bit a KPD in the making at 21 and is behind a group of 3 very good KPD at WB.
I would delist 1 of Chesser and Bazzo depending on their WAFL form as you suggest.
Still need another quality mature mid this trade period imo to solve the depth of talent through there.

 

[KERRPOW]

Cripps will make the call himself. He's still performing decently(yeah he stuffs up now n then but don't we all)

He's kicked 13.7 this year on track for close to 30 which you'd take

Surely if he wants to continue its 1yr contracts from now on.

 

[TerryFilk]

Ignore the Vic media, an interested club(s) isn’t going to be influenced by what those clowns say. However…

West Coast have repeatedly said they want to retain Allen and are confident of doing so and

Allen has said he loves the club and wants to stay

In short, both he and the club want him to continue his career at West Coast. The stumbling block being that his value for West Coast is, for now, considerably less than what he feels he is worth/has been offered elsewhere. He’ll stay for less but not a lot less

He’s had a poor start to the year but he is a quality player who grew up supporting the club and was considered a future captain well before that eventuated. If he does stay it infers a stability at the club that wouldn’t be the case if the captain leaves a year after the vice captain did the same

As it stands at this stage of our list build, pick 2 (or possibly 3) is probably more beneficial to us long term than retaining Allen - but it wouldn’t be the worst thing if we do provided we don’t shift our contract offer too much

I respect your opinion and understand the points you’ve made, but I personally just don’t see any benefit to keeping Oscar - I don’t trust his body, he hasn’t been performing at all, keeping him just ensures one or even two of Shanahan, A.Reid and J.Williams ask out as well.

Pick 2 for this version of Oscar Allen’s who can’t even complete training sessions, who runs like an 80 year old man… is a gift and we simply have to take it, we’ve got two drafts until Tasmania make rebuilding through the draft even more difficult.

It’d be a different story if Oscar was the difference between winning and losing games, but he isn’t, he has been a detriment to the team if anything this season.

Take the two best mids available at 1 and 2 and move on and unleash Shanahan.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Not another Jarmaine Jones, had far more skill.

It’s actually Jamaine Jones, for the record.

 

[Bacchus]

It’s actually Jamaine Jones, for the record.

if we begin with getting things correct at least we are starting from reality not flying blind or making stuff up.

At least I was half right.

 

[mattyc75]

Didn't we have 2 spots available for SPP and only picked up Brock?

Yeah that's what I thought too

 

[Joeban]

Not another Jarmaine Jones, had far more skill.

Was a pick 6, not a rookie pick. I know draft positions are far from infallible but they indicate something.

If WC chop you, it means nothing, are you implying the club has made the right decisions over the last decade?
If so, how has this once strong club ended up in this ‘mother of all messes’ ? And with Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson and Harry Barnett and many others on its playing roster?

Saying you must be no good because WC chopped you means absolutely f.a.
They’re like a blind man throwing darts at a dart board.

are you referring to Jamaine Jones by any chance?

 

[Choogler]

I've personally switched my gut feel from Oscars gone to Oscar probably stays. If mcQualter plays him the rest of the season in defence and he builds into it then I think it's fine. Feels like this might be Govs last year. Feels like we're going to turn this around in the back third of the season and start playing some decent footy. Feels like we've missed the boat in drafting the next KPP, and that's going to be a problem in a year or two. Feels like the price for Cody Curtin is going to be too much, and we really need to let him pass and take 2 mids with our first picks. Feels like if we get pick 2 for Allen that will be used to justify denying us any other form of draft assistance. Feels like there will be so much negative press around the deal, and so much pressure on Oscar to be a silver bullet at the next club, that his experiences earlier in the year will make him seriously question whether he wants to put himself through that kind of scrutiny again.

Putting the Oscar situation to one side, I agree with most of what you say. I agree we need a 25-30 possession/game mid who is calm in congestion and uses the ball really well in traffic but I don't have the glass half empty view around our mid group that many here do. I still think if we could coax a Cameron type ruckman here, his quality immediately makes our midfield better. Firstly from his own around the ground contributions, and from the confidence our mids would gain knowing he is half a chance to win the ruck contest, would see them become more offensive in their mindset instead of just chasing tail all the time. I'd kill for a Priddis or a Kerr to go with the ruckman! Their inside work and ability to put people into space by hand was elite. Someone like that and a ruckman and the whole situation at the coalface changes.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Yeah that's what I thought too

We left one spot free at the rookie draft.

When Sheed went down we had a second spot.

We signed Brock into the vacant spot in the SSP.

We looked at signing Henderson in Sheed’s spot but Melbourne poached him.

That spot’s still free.

There’s no second spot free at the moment unless someone (eg Yeo) is ruled out for the year.

 

[Tugga27]

Not another Jarmaine Jones, had far more skill.

Was a pick 6, not a rookie pick. I know draft positions are far from infallible but they indicate something.

If WC chop you, it means nothing, are you implying the club has made the right decisions over the last decade?
If so, how has this once strong club ended up in this ‘mother of all messes’ ? And with Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson and Harry Barnett and many others on its playing roster?

Saying you must be no good because WC chopped you means absolutely f.a.
They’re like a blind man throwing darts at a dart board.

I can see your point, to a degree.

I look at this way though, of all of the players we've delisted over the past 2 years,
how many have been picked up by other clubs?

Culley is the only one I can think of, off the top of my head.
And he wouldn't have been if not for another LTI for Melbourne.

SPP was only around 26 when we delisted him and no other club was interested.
I think that tells you something.

 

[kane249]

Surely if he wants to continue its 1yr contracts from now on.

Correct

If he wants more years then he is welcome to go do a Jack Darling move

 

[maverick001]

Isn’t Cripps currently in his first year of a two year deal (extension granted last year).
Can’t see us moving him on before deal ends, and can’t see Cripps hanging up boots as he’s still clearly best 22.
We’ve got bigger problems

 

[squashface]

Isn’t Cripps currently in his first year of a two year deal (extension granted last year).
Can’t see us moving him on before deal ends, and can’t see Cripps hanging up boots as he’s still clearly best 22.
We’ve got bigger problems

Signed a 2 year deal in 2023 I am pretty sure.

Out of contact this year

 

[Bacchus]

I can see your point, to a degree.

I look at this way though, of all of the players we've delisted over the past 2 years,
how many have been picked up by other clubs?

Culley is the only one I can think of, off the top of my head.
And he wouldn't have been if not for another LTI for Melbourne.

SPP was only around 26 when we delisted him and no other club was interested.
I think that tells you something.

I don't want to press this too hard.

My original point was we don't really know the circumstances surrounding SPS's departure.
If it was simply because he was a dud footballer (which he wasn't) then we have and still are persevering with dud footballers.

I have little faith in the coaching and player development set up at WC - I think they have failed many players and SPS was one. There was material to work with him but it wasn't realised. The coaching since 2021 has been disastrous and results show this. I think there has been a little upswing this year fortunately, there needs to be.

I don't know why Petrevski-Seton didn't get picked up by another club, he wanted to remain in WA, maybe he'd had enough.
It's all speculation. Perhaps you have some facts.

 

[sharps24]

Putting the Oscar situation to one side, I agree with most of what you say. I agree we need a 25-30 possession/game mid who is calm in congestion and uses the ball really well in traffic but I don't have the glass half empty view around our mid group that many here do. I still think if we could coax a Cameron type ruckman here, his quality immediately makes our midfield better. Firstly from his own around the ground contributions, and from the confidence our mids would gain knowing he is half a chance to win the ruck contest, would see them become more offensive in their mindset instead of just chasing tail all the time. I'd kill for a Priddis or a Kerr to go with the ruckman! Their inside work and ability to put people into space by hand was elite. Someone like that and a ruckman and the whole situation at the coalface changes.

I'd agree on the midfield, it's not all doom and gloom we're just in an awkward transition period. Midfield of Harley, Hewett Gross would be more than fine. If Hough or Ginbey can go back through there then all the better. Many think Greggo will be a starting mid as well and that Long [who's a mid] is going to be best 22. Then there is Hall who'll be dominating at WAFL level week to week very soon. Already enough to work with. If we take 2 top 10 mids in the draft this year [and we should because we are set for talls and we need Harley insurance] then we are more than fine and it likely ends the careers of the likes of Long, HJ and Chesser. On top of that we've still signed up long term on Baker, Duggan and Graham, have 2 more years of Yeo, Kelly almost certainly gets an extension... then there's Brockman and Ryan, and the club wants to get the Warner Bro's at some point. They aren't all going to fit in the side and Mini will find a mix of some kind that gets the job done.

A lot depends on whether Harley stays or not, we probably need to be looking [ironically] at elite small forwards and half backs and look for them to play their natural positions as opposed to hoping they could be mids. Overall though difference between winning and losing games of AFL football is far less about your talent and far more about your system and your effort. Bring the effort to a sound system where everyone understands their role and all of a sudden spuds and liabilities become elite role players and even stars. Worst list in the AFL locks for the wooden spoon goes to Premiers shockingly quick sometimes.

 

[sharps24]

I don't want to press this too hard.

My original point was we don't really know the circumstances surrounding SPS's departure.
If it was simply because he was a dud footballer (which he wasn't) then we have and still are persevering with dud footballers.

I have little faith in the coaching and player development set up at WC - I think they have failed many players and SPS was one. There was material to work with him but it wasn't realised. The coaching since 2021 has been disastrous and results show this. I think there has been a little upswing this year fortunately, there needs to be.

I don't know why Petrevski-Seton didn't get picked up by another club, he wanted to remain in WA, maybe he'd had enough.
It's all speculation. Perhaps you have some facts.

He was a talented player who was mostly in the 22 when his body was right in the 2 years he was here. He was thrown around and we never really found spot for him. Wasn't really given much of a go, and the side was pretty average. if he'd been on the list still in 2023 and 2024 you'd think he surely would have been handy, but it wasn't exactly moving the needle.

Simmo didn't seem to gel with him and that was that. I think for a lot of draftee's and these trades for a swap of late draft picks the attitude was very much if they come in an push someone out of the 22 then great, we got someone for free, but if not at least we'll have someone to delist at the end of the year. I don't think the club really tried all that hard on the development side of things post the covid gutting of the football department, was unfortunate but that's just how things went for us.

 

[Tugga27]

I don't want to press this too hard.

My original point was we don't really know the circumstances surrounding SPS's departure.
If it was simply because he was a dud footballer (which he wasn't) then we have and still are persevering with dud footballers.

I have little faith in the coaching and player development set up at WC - I think they have failed many players and SPS was one. There was material to work with him but it wasn't realised. The coaching since 2021 has been disastrous and results show this. I think there has been a little upswing this year fortunately, there needs to be.

I don't know why Petrevski-Seton didn't get picked up by another club, he wanted to remain in WA, maybe he'd had enough.
It's all speculation. Perhaps you have some facts.

I just thought it was a straight out delisting as he couldn't cement a regular game.

I'm not sure you can blame our coaching and player development TBH.
He was at Carlton for 5 years and they virtually gave him to us for a 3rd rounder if I remember correctly.

He definitely had talent.
Whether or not he had the application is another story I guess.

 

[sharps24]

Look i like A Reid as much as the next bloke, but lets pump the breaks a little. For all he looks the part, this is his game log.

The positive is that he's only 19, but He's got a lot of development to go.

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The problem with looking at stats for a tall is disposals can be a little deceiving. Archer Reid was involved in a lot of contests and he's rarely beaten. Ok so he only had 3 disposals and his shot on goal fell short, but he's out there providing a target all day and scragging with a defender and his ability as a scrawly 19 year old to just not be beaten is ultra impressive to me. Doesn't get a stat for most of the plays he's involved with but his work is still influential as to which side ultimately takes possession. Compared to Jack Williams and Oscar Allen he just seems to be doing more off the ball.

Anyway I'm not sure what we're pumping the breaks on. I just said I think he'll make it as a forward, I'm fine with him having a spell to freshen up we've got plenty of depth in his position.

 

[kane249]

Signed a 2 year deal in 2023 I am pretty sure.

Out of contact this year

Jamie's ears must have been burning, this came out today

You little Crippa! Eagles veteran keen to play on next year

Jamie Cripps is in line to become one of the five oldest players in Waalitj Marawar (West Coast) history after signalling his intent to continue his career into next season.

thewest.com.au

Out of contract this year

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The problem with looking at stats for a tall is disposals can be a little deceiving. Archer Reid was involved in a lot of contests and he's rarely beaten. Ok so he only had 3 disposals and his shot on goal fell short, but he's out there providing a target all day and scragging with a defender and his ability as a scrawly 19 year old to just not be beaten is ultra impressive to me. Doesn't get a stat for most of the plays he's involved with but his work is still influential as to which side ultimately takes possession. Compared to Jack Williams and Oscar Allen he just seems to be doing more off the ball.

Anyway I'm not sure what we're pumping the breaks on. I just said I think he'll make it as a forward, I'm fine with him having a spell to freshen up we've got plenty of depth in his position.

It's a general comment to all on this board who are looking to anoint him. He is very promising, but he's got a long way to go.

Fingers crossed.

 

[WCErevival]

Who are our small forwards pushing Cripps out?

Ryan
Owies
Brockman
Long
Champion
Petrucelle
Rawlinson

Only Ryan is a regular 22. Cameron is future potential. The rest of that list are either fringe or delist fodder.

Where's Wally is likely to be part of the list next year but will be a first year player. One year for Cripps won't hurt us even though the Vic media will try and make it look like we are sabotaging our development.

 

[WCE777]

I'd agree on the midfield, it's not all doom and gloom we're just in an awkward transition period. Midfield of Harley, Hewett Gross would be more than fine. If Hough or Ginbey can go back through there then all the better. Many think Greggo will be a starting mid as well and that Long [who's a mid] is going to be best 22. Then there is Hall who'll be dominating at WAFL level week to week very soon. Already enough to work with. If we take 2 top 10 mids in the draft this year [and we should because we are set for talls and we need Harley insurance] then we are more than fine and it likely ends the careers of the likes of Long, HJ and Chesser. On top of that we've still signed up long term on Baker, Duggan and Graham, have 2 more years of Yeo, Kelly almost certainly gets an extension... then there's Brockman and Ryan, and the club wants to get the Warner Bro's at some point. They aren't all going to fit in the side and Mini will find a mix of some kind that gets the job done.

A lot depends on whether Harley stays or not, we probably need to be looking [ironically] at elite small forwards and half backs and look for them to play their natural positions as opposed to hoping they could be mids. Overall though difference between winning and losing games of AFL football is far less about your talent and far more about your system and your effort. Bring the effort to a sound system where everyone understands their role and all of a sudden spuds and liabilities become elite role players and even stars. Worst list in the AFL locks for the wooden spoon goes to Premiers shockingly quick sometimes.

Agree with your assessment of the midfield.
As you pointed out we are in an awkward transition with the midfield.
Agree with all the points around why we need 2 top mid this year through the draft.
The likes of Kelly and Yeo are spare parts in our team, Yeo is elite when fit, Kelly is done in the midfield unless break glass on injuries.
We also have 1 of our best injuries list for 3 years so we in real terms we have at least another key player in our side then would normally be expected, this is why we need another B grade mid at worst to get us through the next 3-4 years until Harley, Hewett, Gross and co. establish themselves into best 22 players permanently.

Harley is a rare commodity as he is capable of playing from day 1 in the midfield.
Can't see Kelly playing beyond 2026.

If that pushes Long, HJ and Chesser out that is because we have better talent and that's a good thing.

Elite SF options are aplenty, just not yet Cripps and Ryan will be good for a while even if Cripps retires end 2026.
We have Dewar, Champion progeressing Walley in 2025 draft, McGlade in 2026 and maybe another 2 or 3 in 2026/27 so we will be full of young talent there when Cripps hangs up the boots and Ryan a couple of years later.

 

[Choogler]

I never quite got the obsession with moving senior listed players onto the rookie list. How many of them turn around and actually improve with the additional year on a rookie contract?

Players taken in the Rookie draft are added to a club's rookie list, rather than the senior list. It used to be that rookie-listed players had to be upgraded to the senior list in order to play at AFL level. But that is no longer the case, so being on the rookie list doesn't make much of a difference for the player.

Clubs have recently used the rookie draft to 're-draft' players they have recently delisted. Under AFL rules, clubs must have at least three list senior list vacancies in order to take part in the national draft. Before the national draft, clubs will delist a player to open up a senior list spot, but commit to re-drafting that player in the rookie draft. This year, clubs have delisted a total of 16 players and committed to taking them in the rookie draft.

Other players taken in the rookie draft are primarily those who were overlooked in the national draft. During the national draft, you may hear about a club opting to wait for the rookie draft to pick up a player, rather than using up a primary list spot on them at the national draft.

The main reason I suspect is this: The maximum salary for an AFL rookie-listed player is $85,000 per year. This salary is not included in the club's salary cap. Additionally, rookies can earn bonuses for each game they play and through performance incentives.

We're better off using these rookie spots on genuine rookies. It's a cheap 1 year contract, we should be cycling players through as much as possible and seeing what sticks.

Agree with this... I could never understand why we rookie listed guys like Ah Chee... we knew what he offered and should have taken the punt on others like Nic Martin (who trained with us) and Humphries (who was right under our nose in our NGA academy.) In 2022, we relisted Winder as a rookie and again in 2023, 5 years on our list, why?
Trew was another spending 4 years on our list... we just have to be better at recognising when guys just don't have it and turnover the rookie spots until we find someone that does.

 

[WCE777]

WAFL watchers, your opinion on Michael Sellwood as a MSD candidate?
He looks very capable at HB, only 21, good size, does he push midfield minutes or is he purely a HB?

 

[Choogler]

Signed a 2 year deal in 2023 I am pretty sure.

Out of contact this year

Here is a list of our players out of contract, and their free agency status at the end of the year