List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Altum Volantes]

An excerpt after it points out that an under strength Victorian cohort = a shallow draft pool



But the kicker is at the very end



Gotta get a Harley reference in there

Just read that crap.

So the shallow draft pool could mean that clubs with multiple picks may look to trade picks - lists us with Essendon and Richmond as one of those clubs...

But of course, we'd take MORE of these seemingly expendable picks if it means we can finally move Harley to Essendon (this week's favourite - despite Matthew Richardson saying last week that Richmond was his 'most likely landing spot', Geelong with room for 2 Buttered Harleys and Hawthorn, always the 'logical' fit).

So what they mean is 'Weak draft! Clubs will want less picks! Except the Eagles, they'll want MORE! MORE PICKS!'

I guarantee you if challenged that, the 'well, there are a few West Australians projecting in the first round that they could take...' would be wheeled out.

 

[pantskyle]

It's an odd line of thinking, Vic kids aren't the best this years = draft is crap.

The teams with the multiple picks in the first round would be loving it, some very good talent available to them.

 

[Scotland]

The two-year limit on fixed term contracts doesn’t apply to employees earning more than $175k per year, which I imagine is the case for anyone who signs a three year deal.

It can also be overruled in an award, not sure whether the CBA counts as an award.

But what about from this year onward? Organised sport exemptions go away, but not high income ones. Not sure how 3 year contracts for first round picks works in this framework as you are under/over the threshold based on match payments.

High performance sport is sport that is performed at the elite level by athletes or athletes with disability.

The limitations don’t apply to contracts entered into on or after 6 December 2023 and before 1 November 2025.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/starting-employment/types-of-employees/fixed-term-contract-employees/additional-fixed-term-contract-exceptions#organised-sport

At the end of the day players sign long term contracts for financial security. Whether you can't play like Andrew Brayshaw or you can't play very well like Ben McKay that money is locked in. Having players under contract is not as valuable to clubs as it used to be and nowhere near as valuable as in other sports overseas.

It's pretty clear where it is going from a player's perspective. They want to be free agents as soon as they are out of contract, effectively having the Bosman rule apply to the AFL. Which is fine to want that, but they need to recognise that players in the EPL and La Liga etc. don't play under an agreed CBA negotiated with their respective league. So you have to pick your poison. The AFL just keeps conceding ground to the AFLPA for nothing in return.

 

[Altum Volantes]

It's an odd line of thinking, Vic kids aren't the best this years = draft is crap.

The teams with the multiple picks in the first round would be loving it, some very good talent available to them.

No mate - its a shallow pool so the clubs with the best picks would be keen to drop lower in the draft to access the weaker talent and cash in their high picks when they are valued less. Derp Derp.

 

[maverick001]

I would’ve thought in a thin draft pool one would be less inclined to trade down

 

[ziad]

I would’ve thought in a thin draft pool one would be less inclined to trade down

very simple logic

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

But what about from this year onward? Organised sport exemptions go away, but not high income ones. Not sure how 3 year contracts for first round picks works in this framework as you are under/over the threshold based on match payments.

High performance sport is sport that is performed at the elite level by athletes or athletes with disability.

The limitations don’t apply to contracts entered into on or after 6 December 2023 and before 1 November 2025.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/starting-employment/types-of-employees/fixed-term-contract-employees/additional-fixed-term-contract-exceptions#organised-sport

At the end of the day players sign long term contracts for financial security. Whether you can't play like Andrew Brayshaw or you can't play very well like Ben McKay that money is locked in. Having players under contract is not as valuable to clubs as it used to be and nowhere near as valuable as in other sports overseas.

It's pretty clear where it is going from a player's perspective. They want to be free agents as soon as they are out of contract, effectively having the Bosman rule apply to the AFL. Which is fine to want that, but they need to recognise that players in the EPL and La Liga etc. don't play under an agreed CBA negotiated with their respective league. So you have to pick your poison. The AFL just keeps conceding ground to the AFLPA for nothing in return.

I remember watching one of those footy shows with an AFL House connected journo not long ago and he said that the league thinks that massively fluid player movements are what the fans want. I think that is wrong. People like having club champions that they cheer on for 10 years, not having most players play for 3 or 4 clubs over their career. And i think people want fairness. If a club loses a player they have invested in the trading system should be be weighted in that clubs favour to enable them to get a fair return for that player.

 

[pantskyle]

No mate - its a shallow pool so the clubs with the best picks would be keen to drop lower in the draft to access the weaker talent and cash in their high picks when they are valued less. Derp Derp.

Yep sorry, my mistake.

 

[bzparkes]

I remember watching one of those footy shows with an AFL House connected journo not long ago and he said that the league thinks that massively fluid player movements are what the fans want. I think that is wrong. People like having club champions that they cheer on for 10 years, not having most players play for 3 or 4 clubs over their career. And i think people want fairness. If a club loses a player they have invested in the trading system should be be weighted in that clubs favour to enable them to get a fair return for that player.

It's what journos want so that people read their shitty clickbait articles which, in their minds = 'What the people want'.

 

[Scotland]

I remember watching one of those footy shows with an AFL House connected journo not long ago and he said that the league thinks that massively fluid player movements are what the fans want. I think that is wrong. People like having club champions that they cheer on for 10 years, not having most players play for 3 or 4 clubs over their career. And i think people want fairness. If a club loses a player they have invested in the trading system should be be weighted in that clubs favour to enable them to get a fair return for that player.

Fans want to see their team win, and secondary to that want to see good footy. We love that Shannon Hurn is a one club man and the first (and only if you exclude Jack Darling) WC 300 gamer, but no one looks down on Kennedy, Cripps, Yeo etc. for joining from other clubs, or Lynch, Rosa etc. for moving on. Fans only really hate it when stars like Judd leave, or when high priced recruits like Kelly don't live up to expectations. And more commonly now when stars leave and the club gets a shit return.

The AFL are totally out of touch which is what happens when you have lawyers and management consultants running the game and telling the fans what they want. I think there would be a tiny tiny % of fans who enjoy footy more than they did before 2012 because of free agency. There aren't mid season trades, dozens of moves a year etc. It's pretty much the same as it was except now DFAs can just sign with clubs instead of being drafted at pick 95.

Personally I don't really care how much player movement there is or more specifically how easy it is to move clubs. But the AFL really really really need to fix the draft and salary cap. Geelong could conceivably add Matt Rowell and Zak Butters and Harley Reid and the AFL would just stand there like the Iraqi Information Minister meme.

 

[Obeanie1]

We didn’t go over the salary cap at any stage nor did we have to jettison players to keep us under the cap

It’s possible we were unable to target a player we would have liked because we didn’t have the cap space but I don’t think that’s the case

In my opinion, it’s not the coach’s job to manage the cap. His input should be yes I want that player in my team or not necessarily then list management do what’s necessary to sign the player up

It may not be the coaches job to ensure the club stays under the cap but the coaches wants and wishes are restrained by the cap.

Coaches can't just wave their hand in the air and say "not my problem. Just get me those players".

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Coaches can't just wave their hand in the air and say "not my problem. Just get me those players".

Is there any suggestion that Simpson did that?

 

[ziad]

Yep sorry, my mistake.

Give yourself an upper cut

 

[kane249]

Give yourself an upper cut

Keys can give some pointers on this one if you want pantskyle

 

[MrWoollie]

If the draft goes so does salary cap and we can recruit anyone we want

You need some form of financial control to protect clubs from themselves.

With no financial restrictions you'd enter the bankrupt VFL of the 80's pretty quickly.

And if you restrict spend to being limited to income then the competition would become horribly unbalanced. Yes, we'd be one of the winners. And yes, in a fair world Norf and Skanky would disappear. But the last thing I'd want to see is the situation that exists in Scottish soccer (SPL). Only two teams have won it in the past 30+ years and if one of them has a weak team then it becomes a 1 team race with the only questions being: 'by how much?'; and 'for how long?'. Boring, unwatchable shite.

I'd like some reward for the commercially savvy and heavily supported clubs, even if just to offside the vAFL, travel and recruitment biases we suffer. Just not so much as to turn the AFL into the SPL.

 

[Elite Pete]

If the draft goes so does salary cap and we can recruit anyone we want

NRL doesn’t have a draft but still has a salary cap

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

No salary cap for enough years for the Vic minnows to disappear then gradually bring it back

 

[kane249]

Meet the eight American athletes out to impress AFL recruiters - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1342260

 

[mattyc75]

Meet the eight American athletes out to impress AFL recruiters - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1342260

I'd really like to try an international prospect again. Would it impact our cat B local options?
If not it'd be a shame to not use our wealth to our advantage. Especially seeing as they're all giants and we'll be delisting a few of our big guys over the next couple of years

 

[Obeanie1]

Is there any suggestion that Simpson did that?

Seems from posts that is the opinion of some.

Or a general opinion about coaches attitudes towards recruiting.

The discussion was are coaches naive not caring about what players cost. In picks or dollars.

IMO they are naive if they dont understands the constraints that exist in trading in players.

 

[WCE777]

WB VFL game Busslinger 27d, 8 intercepts and 8 marks
Sellwood 20d, 11 intercepts and 5 marks

 

[Evo47]

Meet the eight American athletes out to impress AFL recruiters - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1342260

Volleyball background the new breeding ground

 

[Corn69]

If Harley picks Geelong then Holmes is the only one I'm asking for..

 

[Cuzz09]

If Harley picks Geelong then Holmes is the only one I'm asking for..

lol I can 100% guarantee Holmes pulls on a WCE Guernsey he'll end up Petch mk2

TK reverseys

 

[Cuzz09]

Time for Petrucelle to be delisted and move on.

Best thing will be not having to worry about the spelling of Petrucelle