List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[maverick001]

If we traded with Adelaide it would probably be something along the lines of 2 for Curtin + 16

Not that Crows will trade Curtin, but if they did it would be straight for pick 2 we wouldn’t be getting 16 as well

 

[FKASC]

Redrafting Burrows

 

[sharps24]

Not that Crows will trade Curtin, but if they did it would be straight for pick 2 we wouldn’t be getting 16 as well

And they'd need pick 1 not pick 2 because why would they be interested in it if we just take Sharp from them with pick 1.

It's an interesting trade idea, the past 2 years we've looked to sell our future first [first for Curtin then for Shannahan] so we should have no qualms using pick 1 to get Curtin back. Cannot see it happening though.

 

[beagles]

Disagree, drafting talented kids is the the only way out of this mess.

Trading picks for below average players is what we have done, so no more C graders please. Last year we gave up pick 3 which could have been Harvey Langford or a similar talent..

I don’t really see how getting more kids in Harley’s age bracket helps anyway. Just use the draft and high picks we have to add top end talent.

Clearly the lack of senior leadership on the park is a killer. The problem is the senior players available are mediocre in terms of footy. Getting Yeo to play majority of next two seasons would be a big help but we prob need another seasoned body.. personally I don’t see dev as that guy, see mediocre above. We need to do something but it’s a hard sell for the club atm.

 

[twce13]

Disagree, drafting talented kids is the the only way out of this mess.

Trading picks for below average players is what we have done, so no more C graders please. Last year we gave up pick 3 which could have been Harvey Langford or a similar talent..

I think you completely misunderstood my point.
Absolutely we should be prioritizing the draft. That should be priority #1.

I just didnt see the point in wasting precious draft capital (on how we acquire the above) on players in their 2nd/3rd year who are going to cost overs because we missed our chance in the draft. Hit the draft.

In terms of senior players my other point was not going for mediocre guys like dev and hence it's difficult to get senior guys who move the needle, but if we do we need to try and avoid wasting draft capital and getting guys who are just another guy. Hence I said a hard sell.

Never did i advocate for loading up on average senior players.

 

[wadistance]

Cuz was made co-captain with Kempy at age 23.

Who do you think HR9 would be a good fit with, and at 21 next year, would it be too much responsibility too soon?

EDIT: Personally, I think that it'd be a part of any contract negotiations that he step up to the leadership group in a couple of years, then co-captain for another couple, then eventually Captain - if he meets pre-agreed KPI's.

Giving Perth’s pin up boy of the early 00s the captain at 23 definitely was a turning point in his career

 

[beagles]

I think you completely misunderstood my point.
Absolutely we should be prioritizing the draft. That should be priority #1.

I just didnt see the point in wasting precious draft capital (on how we acquire the above) on players in their 2nd/3rd year who are going to cost overs because we missed our chance in the draft. Hit the draft.

In terms of senior players my other point was not going for mediocre guys like dev and hence it's difficult to get senior guys who move the needle, but if we do we need to try and avoid wasting draft capital and getting guys who are just another guy. Hence I said a hard sell.

Never did i advocate for loading up on average senior players.

My apologies, agree on your point of overpaying as we seem to do that too often.

 

[Woutizmoo]

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we're pretty used to that after the last few drafts

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Slot Elijah Hewett or Reid into Adelaide and they look like stars Curtin is massively benefited from those around him abeet he is a genuine gun player

 

[eaglevision]

I’d be happy to offer Norf pick 2 for Finn O’Sullivan to give them another crack at getting their strategy right. Take Sharp at 1 one then FOS already has a year of development under his belt and has a balanced game with the kicking we need.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

The problem with trading for "average" players is that they don't always look average when they are playing in better teams. Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

was a superstar at Geelong, but has never looked as good at West Coast.

IMHO, there are certain types of players that are notorious for over/under-rating. Small forwards for example... Matt Owies looked ok at Carlton, but had Cripps and co delivering to him. I feel like he was always going to struggle at West Coast. Was a bewildering pick up. But maybe he was cheap?

By contrast, ruckmen tend to develop late. So Flynn was probably a reasonable risk to take. Still, I would probably prefer we focus on cheap, under-utilised players, not injury-prone ones.

 

[Kegs15]

Honestly, we can't be trading Bailey Williams. If Cameron comes he has to replace Flynn. But if we were smart, we'd save the money and the draft picks and back Bailey in as our first ruck, he just needs a competent midfield around him.

His last 5 games:
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At the end of the day he is still 25. These numbers should be encouraging but like Jake Waterman in 2023 and Harry Edwards in 2024 people just inexplicably hate him and insist he's a bust. His combination of win % and hits to advantage % probably has him sitting in the top 3 most effective rucks in the comp recently. We'll regret swapping him for a 30 year old. If we want Cameron he'd for sure improve us as a Cameron/Bailey ruck duo would be one of the strongest going around but that sugar hit means eating Flynn and Barnetts contracts and wasting considerable draft capital. Not sure it's worth it really.

Absolutely agree about my boy Bailey.

Fixed up his set shots this year which is massive. Also (and there's not really stats for this) always manages to provide a bit of chaos and presence after the hitout - my biggest issue with Flynn is that he's a non entity for the first few seconds after the tap. Sure he gets a few handballs if it comes back his way after bouncing around for a bit but if you're not winning the taps, you need to be able to immediately impact at ground level especially with our midfield being poor at stopping the oppos spread.

Darcy Cameron is fine but, like with most non-S-tier rucks, only really came on at 28 onwards. At 26 (a year older than Bailey) his hitout win % was 34.7%, significantly lower than Bailey's is atm - and regarding how others have mentioned it's easier to win them as a backup ruck, he was backing up Grundy at that stage. Given he was a mature age pickup and wasn't leading their ruck division at 21 like Bailey has, he didn't have that patch of his career where fans were calling him a spud - stats and age wise the comparison looks good for Bailey.

Just think it'd be silly to knock Bailey off our list right before the age rucks actually start to compete most effectively. I actually genuinely think, sponsor bias aside, that at 28,29, when our list is actually contending, he'd be a decent #1 ruck like Cameron is now, and even if not is so durable that he'd be worth keeping on the list as our best backup over Flynn.

Obviously would be nice for the sugar hit now but if say we get some priority picks that we have to trade, I'd rather throw an amount of cash that's hard to refuse at a Ned Moyle type, actually make a play for someone who could be elite, rather than just getting a few years out of Cameron.

 

[Woutizmoo]

3 year deal reqd to get him over, cripps replacement, we probably thought our midfield will be sorted by year 3 to give him the best chance. without a midfield and tall forwards hes neither getting delivery nor crumb. So while hes been putrid its been in line with the rest of our season

One of the issues however is the tackling. his career average is 2.7 tackles per game, hes currently going at 2.4

lots to consider here but we've had plenty of i50s this year, but the ball generally feels like it gets walked out of back half. whether thats on the forward half or the lack of pressure up the ground ?/?

 

[Chris_6678]

Sounds we have been un-officly denied a PP.

https://archive.md/2M5lF

 

[squashface]

Fairly rich him saying we should copy other rebuilding clubs like Brisbane given Brisbane got a priority pick in 2019.

(That they wasted on Dev lol)

 

[pantskyle]

Fairly rich him saying we should copy other rebuilding clubs like Brisbane given Brisbane got a priority pick in 2019.

(That they wasted on Dev lol)

Yeah agree. Not to mention the only other club that has been as shit as us over the few years has received assistance.

 

[Bender_]

Fairly rich him saying we should copy other rebuilding clubs like Brisbane given Brisbane got a priority pick in 2019.

(That they wasted on Dev lol)

Just cut out the middleman and give us Dev.

 

[WCE777]

I would not be against getting Cameron in IF we used those bogus "have to trade these picks" draft assistance picks the AFL might give us. I might even like this idea.

But we would be stupid to the point of negligence to get rid of Bailey just because we get Cameron into the side.

We need a quality second ruck who can play forward. It has nothing to do with where he sits as a pure KPF the 2nd ruck spot needs to be someone who can play ruck well when Cameron rests. He also needs to be able to solo ruck the entire season if Cameron does his ACL the first day of preseason.

Jack Williams does a small amount of ruck work but has never played much more than 10 minutes in there in a game and there is no evidence he will ever be fit enough to play the role well, let alone be able to take the reins as first ruck if required. Archer Reid is potentially a great first ruck option but it's playing with fire to expect him to bust his arse as much as we ask Bailey to bust his arse if the idea is to swap them out. Livingstone has the Bailey competitive fire but he is undersized and do we really think he can be an upgrade on what Bailey brings? Why are we interested in making the team weaker overall? If we upgrade Flynn why does that mean we should downgrade Bailey?

I've said it before but with Jake back, and who knows this crazy club is liable to keep Oscar still as well, it's just hard to imagine a spot in the best 22 for Jack Williams. We honestly should be looking to trade him before anyone else if we bring in someone like Cameron. Collingwood could actually do with a big lump of a FF who's going to kick them goals for minimum wage, he is the win win for both clubs if we take Cameron off their hands. It then becomes far easier for us to manage the development of Jobe and Archer if we are no longer looking to shoehorn the big fundy into the mix. Both are versatile enough to play in the same side as Waterman and Bailey if we persist with the playing 3 rucks like we are now. Jake at FF, Jobe at CHF, Cameron Ruck, Bailey 2nd ruck, Archer into the mix as 2nd ruck where we want to play Bailey at CHF and release Jobe further up the ground so he's not being monstered by some of the really tough dual KPD set ups out there. And good as Jobe is, he's not ready for 23 games at CHF as a 20 year old so this is something we will have to look at doing.

I agree with all that you mention except I am happy to keep JW until his contract expires next year. By then we will know how good he can be. We need depth. If Shanahan keeps developing he will probably go past him but we will still need a depth KPF option. Whether that is JW or Livingstone. We can decide next year if we only need 1 of JW and Livingstone. A Reid will continue to develop as a ruck/fwd with him being our ruck in a few years when he has developed.

I am happy to pay our 2nd round pick for Cameron, fair value since he is in contract.

 

[pantskyle]

If we were afforded easier access and/or more list spots for our NGAs I could see pick 2 (that should be coming to us if all goes to plan) used to trade in a top quality mid, just need to turn the right ones head with a very big paycheck.

 

[Art OF war]

In the above article Greg didn’t say he didn’t believe in Priority picks, just that some clubs had done it without priority picks.

I'd be okay with not getting priority picks or any assistance if the league makes a decision to never again hand out said assistance. They can use WC's "1 win" season as the reason moving forward. Anything short of that guarantee, the club will ask and receive assistance.

 

[ziad]

And they'd need pick 1 not pick 2 because why would they be interested in it if we just take Sharp from them with pick 1.

It's an interesting trade idea, the past 2 years we've looked to sell our future first [first for Curtin then for Shannahan] so we should have no qualms using pick 1 to get Curtin back. Cannot see it happening though.

Extremely enticing but we need mids, not backs and small forwards as well as wingers that cant play midfield.

 

[The_Reaper]

Alternatively what are the players we could get relatively cheaply as a salary dump for other clubs?

 

[Scotland]

By contrast, ruckmen tend to develop late. So Flynn was probably a reasonable risk to take. Still, I would probably prefer we focus on cheap, under-utilised players, not injury-prone ones.

We need to focus on players that are AFL standard. Baker and Graham have proved to be that, even though the price paid for the former was too high.

We're in the position of having access to early picks and cap space. So we can look for another Reid, Hewett, Ginbey etc. via the draft and build out the squad elsewhere. Sydney have Warner, Heeney, Gulden, Mills before you get to Rowbottom, Jordon, Sheldrick, Campbell etc. Sheldrick is the obvious one being from WA but I would be looking at one of those guys that is going to be a $300-600k player at the Swans and selling a bigger role and a bit more money. I don't think he's exactly the sort of player we need but someone like Darcy Parish as a salary dump is another avenue. We don't need top 5 players from other clubs or to try and turn the 20th best player at another club into a top 5 player at ours. We just need a couple of players that are maybe 15th-25th at their current clubs to be best 22 players for us.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

Fairly rich him saying we should copy other rebuilding clubs like Brisbane given Brisbane got a priority pick in 2019.

(That they wasted on Dev lol)

Haha. No. The pick wasn't in 2019, it was pick 19 in 2016. They traded it to Port for their f1, which was pick 12, which they traded to Adelaide for Charlie Cameron. Would love that level of assistance.

 

[sey666]

This league is ******. Absolutely no consistency in anything they do.