List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Choogler]

Assuming we take Duursma, Cumming and Sharp and land our mooted targets it’s actually a pretty strong Beagles side. Yes Archer at CHB.

FB Ginbey Edwards Baker
HB Hough AReid Starcevich
C McCarthy Reid Duursma
HF Hewett Shanahan Sharp
FF Brockman Waterman Newton
R BWilliams Kelly Yeo
I Graham Maric Cumming Robertson JWilliams
E Hall Allan Gross

FB: Bazzo Brock Cole
HB: Grego Young Duggan
C: Banfield Hall Allan
HF: Long Hutchinson Davis
FF: Champion Livingstone Owies
R: Flynn Swallow Gross
IC: Johnston Evans TWilliams Walley

you were travelling OK until you had BW ahead of Flynn ...

 

[Mr Q]

On Lore’s draft pick table, the ‘to match’ value from Pick 37 onwards is 0.

Seems a very odd pick to be automatically able to match from, surely you still need points from there and a few picks onwards?

It's the first pick of the natural third round (18 x 2 = 36)

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

In b4 “Dustin Martin has toured Mineral resource park”
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90% chance there was a boomer across the street ready to call triple-0 after seeing a bloke with that many tattoos in the Golden Triangle.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

and an Elijah Williams in our NGA next year

Plus potentially another Shanahan, BT is going to have a coronary

 

[eaglevision]

you were travelling OK until you had BW ahead of Flynn ...

I’ve had Flynn ahead of BW for two years but with the new jumping rule and fast ball up I think that’s going to favour BW.

 

[THE A5]

90% chance there was a boomer across the street ready to call triple-0 after seeing a bloke with that many tattoos in the Golden Triangle.

80% chance it was Monocle

 

[Jed Clampet]

So Duggan and Cole go wafl like they deserved 2 years ago?

Cole yes, I’d say Dugg would still get a spot in B23, think mini likes him

 

[Dylan82]

On Lore’s draft pick table, the ‘to match’ value from Pick 37 onwards is 0.

Seems a very odd pick to be automatically able to match from, surely you still need points from there and a few picks onwards?

From the start of the "natural" third round (pick 37) you can now match for nothing.


AFL player movement and list management changes

A 10% discount will be applied on all bids from selection 1 to 18 followed by an 84-point deduction (being 10% of selection 18) for all bids from selection 19 to 36. ​

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Matching a bid - first round: Matched using equivalent DVI points. ​

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Matching a bid - after first-round: ​

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Matched using equivalent DVI points up to selection 36. ​

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Match with next selection from selection 37.​

Agree it's odd, considering pick 37 still has 297 points attributed to it and points this year continue out to pick 54.


Makes me think that the intended plan is to restrict points values to just the first 36 picks next year.

Which would align with the rumours that next year picks used to match will need to be within 18 of where the bid falls.


Either way, F3 picks have no value at all now in terms of points.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I wish they'd make it a Trade Week again. 1.5 weeks rly is too long. It just allows clubs to drag things out.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

 

[TheBudgies]

I’ve had Flynn ahead of BW for two years but with the new jumping rule and fast ball up I think that’s going to favour BW.

The opposition is going to get even more taps to their advantage. Not sure how that helps us?

 

[Jed Clampet]

I’ve had Flynn ahead of BW for two years but with the new jumping rule and fast ball up I think that’s going to favour BW.

It will do if BW finally realises he’s supposed to tap to people wearing the same jumper he is wearing.

 

[THE A5]

I wish they'd make it a Trade Week again. 1.5 weeks rly is too long. It just allows club to drag things out.

Both trade and fa should be 2 weeks after the granny and the window for it to be 5 days. The clubs can get all the negotiating done in that two weeks leading into the trade period.

I think this is AFL trying to keep engagement/hype for as long as they can but it just doesn’t feel like it will get better/popular.

 

[Smotie2]

Well 1st of all you ignorant peanut, you wait for the draft to be completed before assuming anything.
Unfortunately you are the type of deranged personality that convinces yourself that we should take certain players because that’s what you’ve talked yourself into.
When the players chosen are different to the players you chose, you label the choices idiotic, because they didn’t fit with your ideals.
Then you go on to melt.
Rinse and repeat year after year.

Love it ...gold level

 

[rebel23]

Just need Brockman to add some team value by teaching Starc his running patterns; and he will be safely out of harms way for the next 8 years.




Joking, maybe?

Hahaha

 

[Smotie2]

We don’t talk to each other like that. Thank you.

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Yes you have to be kind to little monsters...

 

[Smotie2]

Both trade and fa should be 2 weeks after the granny and the window for it to be 5 days. The clubs can get all the negotiating done in that two weeks leading into the trade period.

I think this is AFL trying to keep engagement/hype for as long as they can but it just doesn’t feel like it will get better/popular.

So extend it to 3 weeks?

 

[donpyke92]

Please Mids, mids, mids...won't matter what spudly ruck......Bailey W can't hit to advantage because our ordinary midfield...& no one will ever be NicNat, who was a clearance beast
Please get midfield sorted. Ruck..have the best one,..without good mids, worth not much

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I was critical of Clarke last year for promising something we did not have. Hawks deliberately played hard ball and we were left with few options but to over pay to Tigers. I suspect Tigers deliberately went slow with Suns on the Rioli deal (and yes they fleeced them).

Interesting how many on the Dockers board are spewing. They perceive that they could of got more for 12 on draft night and that they would have got a better return from the Dees in offering up a good return pick. Their petty mindedness is also upset they have helped facilitate our trade. Reality, armed with 12 and without Melbourne having the right pick to return, they would likely have been bending over, touching their toes and playing the Matty 2024 role of chief receiver.

Not sure why the Freo guys are unhappy. They get to split 12 into a pick that gets them McVee and a pick that likely gets them Rodriguez. If they had of been offered that middle of the year, they would have been biting off the hand that offered it.

Congratulations Matty - you have learnt from your mistake. We now have completed the most important business and we can now play the controlling hand in the next 2 deals.

Ryan - scene set that he is a wanted player and Saints have to offer something really good as he is contracted and he is happy at the club. What that looks like - we have an awesome current draft hand (assuming Lions do the right thing) and a full F and FF hand which are both likely to be valued as max value. We also have the ability to pay a % of Liam's salary to tip the deal more in our favour. (Saints cap is starting to get full).

Chesser is interesting. Firstly, Carlton cannot do their Martin trick of threatening to walk him through to the PSD. Their cap is really tight so anything Chesser demands will be easily met by us. Carlton have more tan enough points to match bids on Dean and Ison and they are desperate to get a decent F1. Unless it is priced as pick 1 next year, it wont be our F1. Again Matty has talked him up publicly and how our 1st Round pick has had a load of development work and is now fit so he is highly valued. I would say in all reality a R2 pick in the 20's probably covers it. Problem in this deal is Curnow wanting out.

We can solve the issue for Saints and Blues

Blues
In - Chesser and Cats F1
Out - pick 10 and F2
Blues get another F1 which is valued at 17 but could have upside with injuries etc

Saints
In - Ryan with salary paid in 2026 and pick 34 (useful to get their other targets in)
Out - Marshall (traded for Cats F1 valued at 17)
- excluding the salary paid by us, this values Liam as pick 28. No salary paid is likely to be mid 30's which is hardly a high valuation

Eagles
In - pick 10 and Blues F2
Out - salary for Liam, pick 34

Outcome
2025 - 1 2 10 13 and some small points for any matching
2026 - full hand plus Blues F2 which we likely need with even a good crop of NGA prospects

 

[THE A5]

So extend it to 3 weeks?

Isn’t three weeks for both but they overlap?

Think they should both have a short window. The bulk of the deals shouldn’t be done during the window

 

[mattyc75]

Was moving from 16 to 12 even that important?

Was quite happy with just keeping 16 tbh, unless we were going to use it to trade back into the top 10.

Seems like the sort of move you'd make on draft night, because x player is still on the board. A marginal shift 4 spots now is a bit odd. Daresay Farrow is going to be the target here.

I hope we get barker

 

[garlic munchers]

We need to take a chance on Elijah Holland's for Chesser

Apparently all good to take knobs like JUH and Oliver, but not Elijah.

Sucks not to be an A grader…… for Elijah.

 

[donpyke92]

I was critical of Clarke last year for promising something we did not have. Hawks deliberately played hard ball and we were left with few options but to over pay to Tigers. I suspect Tigers deliberately went slow with Suns on the Rioli deal (and yes they fleeced them).

Sounds great.
If I'm Carlton, no way I'm taking that deal

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Sounds great.
If I'm Carlton, no way I'm taking that deal

So give in for a F3. It would also mean with multiple R1 and needing a KPD don’t get tempted at 2 which will be after at least 2 Suns prospects and right where Cal is predicting Dean

 

[HoneyBadger35]

It's the first pick of the natural third round (18 x 2 = 36)

From the start of the "natural" third round (pick 37) you can now match for nothing.


AFL player movement and list management changes

A 10% discount will be applied on all bids from selection 1 to 18 followed by an 84-point deduction (being 10% of selection 18) for all bids from selection 19 to 36. ​

​

Matching a bid - first round: Matched using equivalent DVI points. ​

​

Matching a bid - after first-round: ​

​

Matched using equivalent DVI points up to selection 36. ​

​

Match with next selection from selection 37.​

Agree it's odd, considering pick 37 still has 297 points attributed to it and points this year continue out to pick 54.


Makes me think that the intended plan is to restrict points values to just the first 36 picks next year.

Which would align with the rumours that next year picks used to match will need to be within 18 of where the bid falls.


Either way, F3 picks have no value at all now in terms of points.

Thanks. Such an obvious one in hindsight but given the AFL is comfortable with 30 pick first rounds and has never applied any consideration for the actual cut off points of a natural draft, it genuinely didn't occur to me.