List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

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Keys

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So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - clusterfu**
• Cameron - retired/delisted to be confirmed

In-
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62

Players on main list - 38
Players on rookie list - 3

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach)
Link to contract status of all players -

 
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mick06

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Strange if true, but the weird part was literally the pick before.

Lions took Lohman, who seemed a significant reach at the time. Don't get me wrong I think he'd looked really good in games I saw of him and I'm glad a club took him here as it supports the thoughts of what I saw in him. But the Hawks should've approached Brisbane with that offer, as Lohman would've still be there at 23 and they would've banked a future 1st. I was actually hoping we tried to trade with the lions on the night, as I knew Freo would be impossible to deal with.
Could he the whole 5 minutes / lack of time thing.

Giving up a future first would need a lot of ticks to sign off so they could have needed overnight to reassess and thrash it out
 

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ep2018

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Once Matt Johnson slid in the draft, multiple clubs approached
@freodockers
. I'm told one offer included pick 23 & a future 1st from Hawthorn. Belief from key Freo parties was so strong in Johnson, they turned it down. Hawks loved Johnson, considered him at pick 8.

Far out! I would have taken Hawks future first for sure! Could have been a top 5 pick too.
Crazy that Hawks would offer that to secure a player who basically told non WA suitors it was Eagles/Freo or bust.

Also crazy of freo not to accept the deal. Future top 6 pick for a two pick downgrade. They're at the end of the rebuild tunnel, maybe they don't need the pick?
 

amazingjoshy

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Crazy that Hawks would offer that to secure a player who basically told non WA suitors it was Eagles/Freo or bust.

Also crazy of freo not to accept the deal. Future top 6 pick for a two pick downgrade. They're at the end of the rebuild tunnel, maybe they don't need the pick?
Love Rhinos work but I reckon something's missing from that deal (ie something back from Freo), just doesn't add up. Hawks 1st next year is a very probable top 10 and very possible top 5.

A guy that every club passed on at least once, and Freo and the Hawks themselves passed on 3 times between them, is better than anything coming in the top 5/10 of next year's draft (plus Butler who ended up going at 23)?

Next year's draft must be looking dire if so
 
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The wily weagle

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I see this a lot and I'm wondering if you could point to an AFL club that doesn't utilise a zone defence in 2021?
I think it's the general tactically perception: I realise there is very much a method to it, but its annoying because we all know full well that its a lot harder to for an opposition disposal to hit a target when one of our players is standing right next to them, as opposed to guarding space 20-30m away.

If we lose one out in the contested situation and get beaten, I think we all have an easier time accepting that we "went hard" because at least we manned up

It's just optics. And from a personal perspective, I have always much enjoyed seeing the one on one contested that result from manning up

That said, everything in football goes in cycles and I can easily see zoning falling out of vogue
 

shooshka

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Could he the whole 5 minutes / lack of time thing.

Giving up a future first would need a lot of ticks to sign off so they could have needed overnight to reassess and thrash it out
If that's true then I hope (and believe) our club is run much more professionally.

The recruiters had 11 months (give or take) to prepare for this draft. After all games, testing, interviews etc are done I would have thought that 3 or 4 pretty simple lists would be made up - and conversations had with most-if-not-all clubs around strategy, pick value etc (obviously everyone isn't going to be 100% open, but pre-draft you could surely get an indication on a clubs willingness to trade or not trade and a ballpark value for their picks).

List of players in order 1-100
list of those same players with an assigned points value - lets say JHF is worth 4500 points (pick 1 +++)
List of position where a player is almost too good to pass up, and any picks in that range that you may be able to trade for (and, if known, the approximate cost of those picks)

There is every possibility that the report is wrong, and also that clubs in the late 1st round were not willing to trade down - but if it was due to administration at their own club and needing overnight to get their sh!t sorted that is disgraceful.
 

AsterixTheGaul

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Love Rhinos work but I reckon something's missing from that deal (ie something back from Freo), just doesn't add up. Hawks 1st next year is a very probable top 10 and very possible top 5.

A guy that every club passed on at least once, and Freo and the Hawks themselves passed on 3 times between them, is better than anything coming in the top 5/10 of next year's draft (plus Butler who ended up going at 23)?

Next year's draft must be looking dire if so
Next year at least in the first round looks fine
 

Ambrose Burnside

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I feel a bit sorry for our younger supporters who never got to see Peter Matera live.

Then again I never got to see WAFL legends like Stephen Michael etc. live. My son never got to see Chris Judd. Praise Jebus for YouTube etc.
 

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Eastcoasteagle

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Peter Matera my favourite of all time, I tried to emulate my game on him. Loved the way he tackled, literally hunted them down wrapped his arms around and then dropped his legs (almost like a cheetah hunting its prey). His speed away from the stoppage was ridiculous, his kicking was elite and he could seriously play.
 

SloppyJoe

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So Hawthorn’s future first and 23 for pick 21 with no mention of what’s coming back. If there was nothing coming back that’s a totally stupid trade proposal from Hawthorn and even dumber for Fremantle to knock it back. You’re talking a potential top 5 pick to move up two places in the draft to get a player both clubs had already overlooked (twice in Freo’s case)

If Freo rated him that highly why did they not try to move up in the draft to get him rather than wait till the 2nd round. Could have got a high pick in the teens with their future 1st to do it but we’re led to believe they refused Hawthorns first

Fair bit of mayo on this for a player Freo selected two others before him
Absolutely. No way Hawks would propose this. Either Rhino's mail is way off, or there was something coming back to the Hawks. He does say "included".
 

FKASC

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I feel a bit sorry for our younger supporters who never got to see Peter Matera live.

Then again I never got to see WAFL legends like Stephen Michael etc. live. My son never got to see Chris Judd. Praise Jebus for YouTube etc.
Never saw him live but watched him on TV a heap. Impossible not to love him as a fan
 

paran

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I feel a bit sorry for our younger supporters who never got to see Peter Matera live.

Then again I never got to see WAFL legends like Stephen Michael etc. live. My son never got to see Chris Judd. Praise Jebus for YouTube etc.
Very different game then though. Mainy's the perfect example - very much a perennial AA or around the mark, but would his game translate to modern footy? Smashing through guys with average disposal...
 

Dark Sharks

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I can't believe there are some young fans out there, who didn't actually get to watch Jamie Mcnamara play live.

Particularly when he ran back towards his own goals, fended off a teammate and then delivered it inside 50 for a Geelong goal.
 

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