Cops

[Hard_to_Beat]

How will you implement the ignore function with Juddsablue?

I wave my magic wand.

 

[JuddsABlue]

Then

Is there any reason I should not implement the ignore function with you?

Are you capable of redeeming yourself from this level of intellectual incompetence?

Im not aware whether your bad at reading comprehension, but considering the fact you edited the quote it looks like you were just trying to take a cheap jab and disguise the fact I was repeating an absurdly stupid comment from bunsen

By all means, wave your magic wand and rid me of your ignorance and anti-establishment adenda. There is a reason you're in the minority and its not because you're smarter than everyone else

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

I agree, the wand is a wise choice.

Bye.

 

[JuddsABlue]

Not sure why that is so hard to get your head around?

People steal cars. People do dumb shit when they are young. I don't lose sleep over it.

Angry? What are you on about? I just think he's a petty f***wit. Happy to break the law himself but whilst he's off duty a million miles from anywhere he has to act like a dick. Clearly it's not about upholding the law. He has f***wit disease.

You've made it clear you hang around some real peices of shit, so you're probabaly desensitized, but usually talking like that about somebody is an act out of anger

Read and weep:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/police-brutality.903844/

And I'd be interested in what your definition of a bogan is. Why don't you describe and I'll tell you if I fit the mould.

Nope. I've dealt with them many many times and can see a pattern. Whilst all police aren't as I describe, enough of them are to be able to make a judgement on the police force as a whole.

Again, you're using individual events to paint the entire force with the same brush. Its just incorrect, and no amount of blunt responses claiming what you've seen is enough, actually makes it enough. There are thousands of police out there every day performing their job correctly and respectfully.

You hang around with ex cons and a like and have a few bad experiences with the police. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas as they say. For majority of the law abiding population we have good experiences with the police.

 

[vealesy]

So share all your good stories then, since you speak on behalf of the majority of the population.

Dont just take cheap shots, add some value here.

 

[Docker Clint]

In the mean time the OP's cultural group make it difficult to have any sympathy:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-...icious-assault-in-lathlain/4451286?section=wa

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Yep, yet they don't have the capacity to hold their opinions until they know for sure, and often do it to people who clearly aren't scumbags.

Not acceptable. They need some people skills training because as a group they are very very poor.





Nope. I've dealt with them many many times and can see a pattern. Whilst all police aren't as I describe, enough of them are to be able to make a judgement on the police force as a whole.


But here's the difference:

When I talk to a cop I don't assume he's knob. I know there's a high chance of him being one, but I sit back and observe before I make judgment.

Stereotyping and grouping people is fine. It's actually intelligent. Groups can have characteristics that separate them from other groups, but it's important to understand that not all people in that group have the characteristics. It's not rocket science.

I suspect the difference is I have a degree and a cop has a cop exam.





Do yourself a favour and read this thread:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/police-brutality.903844/

I say exactly the same thing but think they should be given the proper training to deal with people. Not everyone they are going to meet is a violet thug. Not every person they pull over for a traffic offence needs a lecture. Not everyone they are dealing with are lying to them.

They need this stupid attitude and culture trained out of them.



Is there any particular reason you are telling me this?


Again, you really should read this thread:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/police-brutality.903844/

It all gets back to what I’m talking about: people like you expect cops to be super-human.

OK, not super-human... but you want people of high intelligence, who are extensively trained both technically and in soft skills, of perfect mental health, and completely emotionally stable.

And you want them to maintain these qualities throughout years of dealing almost exclusively with stressful situations and the dregs of society, day in, day out.

Guess what: there’s not many of these people around. And those that there are? They’re running (and owning) companies, they’re operating on brains, they’re flying fighter jets, they’re going into space, they’re conducting research, they’re running countries...

They’re certainly not driving around in Vic cop cars and getting paid SFA to do it.

So they take who they get. Some aren’t really fit for it, some start off well and the job gets to them. And the side effect is some unfortunate, unfair incidents. You can’t possibly expect these not to happen unless you had an entire squad of the people I described above, which (a) doesn’t exist, and (b) couldn’t be funded in terms of salary and training even if it did.

The measure of a police force is the order that is kept. Look at our streets FFS, ours, on the whole, do a good job. They don’t have it as tough as those on meaner streets throughout the world, but they have a task and they generally get it done within their budget (our taxes).

I’ve read the police brutality thread, it’s just a bunch of people with hardline attitudes such as yours, writing about the very isolated incidents I’m talking about. It doesn’t mean shit, anyone with half a brain recognises they’re not perfect and that these type of things will always happen. It’s not fair, but that’s life.

 

[mehow2g]

It all gets back to what I’m talking about: people like you expect cops to be super-human.

OK, not super-human... but you want people of high intelligence, who are extensively trained both technically and in soft skills, of perfect mental health, and completely emotionally stable.

And you want them to maintain these qualities throughout years of dealing almost exclusively with stressful situations and the dregs of society, day in, day out.

Guess what: there’s not many of these people around. And those that there are? They’re running (and owning) companies, they’re operating on brains, they’re flying fighter jets, they’re going into space, they’re conducting research, they’re running countries...

They’re certainly not driving around in Vic cop cars and getting paid SFA to do it.

So they take who they get. Some aren’t really fit for it, some start off well and the job gets to them. And the side effect is some unfortunate, unfair incidents. You can’t possibly expect these not to happen unless you had an entire squad of the people I described above, which (a) doesn’t exist, and (b) couldn’t be funded in terms of salary and training even if it did.

The measure of a police force is the order that is kept. Look at our streets FFS, ours, on the whole, do a good job. They don’t have it as tough as those on meaner streets throughout the world, but they have a task and they generally get it done within their budget (our taxes).

I’ve read the police brutality thread, it’s just a bunch of people with hardline attitudes such as yours, writing about the very isolated incidents I’m talking about. It doesn’t mean shit, anyone with half a brain recognises they’re not perfect and that these type of things will always happen. It’s not fair, but that’s life.

Well if those incidents dont mean anything than your post means nothing.

You are correct about smarter people being else where but the problem does ultimately lie with the system and that system protects dickhead cops, they can do anything they want whenever they want with any sorts of consequences unless they get caught on camera.

WE cannot do anything because we are scared of the consequences it is not fair that the guy with a badge can do as they please and believe me its a lot more common than you think.

These people are hired not to protect us but to keep us in check, the more we are powerless the better the easier it is to pass laws easier to walk all over us... if there is a list of laws added in the past 5 years you will be shocked and those laws that are being put in place are on the rise.

 

[JuddsABlue]

So share all your good stories then, since you speak on behalf of the majority of the population.

Dont just take cheap shots, add some value here.

If you bothered to search back you would've seen I've already added a reply to this thread with my own opinion

Since you ask though I'll share my own personal stories

When I was 18 my car was hit by a taxi. The taxi driver game me incorrect details and did a bolt. I called his taxi ccompany who said you need to go to the cops, they couldnt do anything. About 90 minutes after the accident I arrived at the cop shop and explained everything and about 60 minutes after that the taxi driver was in the cop shop. I was impressed they were able to track him down and bring him in in such a short time. They were extremely proffesional and solved a problem that couldve snowballed quite badly or been shrugged off quite easily

Met several cops on the beat while out on the town and never had a problem. Always up for a brief chat while moving on and never trying to create a problem or act aggro towards a drunk group of people. Heck though we were being polite, maybe that casts some crazy spell on them or something

My misses made the mistake of driving after having a drink on her P's. She drove through a booze bus, blew a reading and the cop decided to let it slide as it wouldve been a tiny reading (1 drink) and didnt feel it deserved the punishment had it been written up. Again, we were polite so maybe the magic spell worked its magic again

A family member of mine committed suicide and had marijuana plants in their house. When the police arrived they just kindly asked for them to be removed to avoid any troubles. No heavy hands or aggro cops, they understood the situation and handled it perfectly

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Well if those incidents dont mean anything than your post means nothing.

I mean those stories of isolated incidents don’t mean shit in term of this overall argument. It’s isolated stuff. I could just as easily start a thread about the cop who was pretty polite when he pulled me over. About the cop who breathalysed me once and I blew a reading, and said “go on just piss off home” because you’re only around the corner from home and it’s a quiet night. Or the cops who gave me and my mates a lift back to our campsite one night in Echuca cos they saw us walking on the highway.

All just isolated incidents that in the broad debate about whether they’re doing their jobs or not, means not much.

You are correct about smarter people being else where but the problem does ultimately lie with the system and that system protects dickhead cops, they can do anything they want whenever they want with any sorts of consequences unless they get caught on camera.

That is absolutely untrue. It’s ridiculous to say bad cops can get away with anything. They can’t. They get away with some things, just like everyone does regarding their own profession. We accept it in anyone else, but not cops, they have to be perfect. They’re not, and they never will be. On the whole they do a pretty good job. Go for a walk at midnight tonight if you want to see it.

There’s truly bad cops around, but they’re sure as hell not in Australia in any number.

 

[JuddsABlue]

Well if those incidents dont mean anything than your post means nothing.

You are correct about smarter people being else where but the problem does ultimately lie with the system and that system protects dickhead cops, they can do anything they want whenever they want with any sorts of consequences unless they get caught on camera.

WE cannot do anything because we are scared of the consequences it is not fair that the guy with a badge can do as they please and believe me its a lot more common than you think.

These people are hired not to protect us but to keep us in check, the more we are powerless the better the easier it is to pass laws easier to walk all over us... if there is a list of laws added in the past 5 years you will be shocked and those laws that are being put in place are on the rise.

Could you show us some evidence that 'its much more common than we think?'

All we have some far is your word, which is all over the place and pretty incoherent. Enough of the believe me's, start showing us how you've come to learn this stuff

Two of my friends have recently joined the force, are the exact opposite of power trippers and are scared shitless about doing something out of line on the job because of the consequences. One of them told me this only 2 weeks ago. The idea that they can 'do whatever they want' is completely untrue

 

[bunsen burner]

Rofl Bunsen yeah let's just let the karma bus take care of the criminals

Can you guys honestly read the garbage you're writing

It's only a stolen car. Not worth the risks associated with a high speed chase. Better to let them go.

I'm on my phone but I'll be on the computer later to highlight some of the most absurd simple minded statements I've ever seen

You'll be crying like a bitch after I finish with you. Seen this happen 100 times before. You're just another dumb arse out of his depth who will feel hard done by by the time I finish with you.

Come at me pussyboy.

 

[Helicopter Punt]

Busen Burner I would not blame the police for keeping on coming back. Unfortunately the law (made by politicians) requires the police to reattend the same last known address on the system until they resolve the matter with their person of interest. We had the same issue with transport fines being sent to our address because some idiot gave us our address as their own when really they were a bum living on their own in various share houses and other places. Apparently when finally apprehended for his other warrants they found that he used to live in the street in the early 90s and the metro officers bought his line. As much as it pissed us off writing to the DOT and telling them there was noone at this address with this name we still got multiple letters including a summons and written judgement order from the court case sent to our address. So before some just blame cops immediately for their action look at the law and whether they are required to do something first.

They're required to trespass?
They walked into the backyard twice - despite being told to desist after the first occurrence.

 

[vealesy]

Give them time.

Your stories are boring and are the opposite to mine.

In saying that on NYE i jumped a barrier and cop A yelled "hey buddy!", cop B "you gunna chase him?" Cop A "nahh".

I just stuck my chest out and strutted. Wimps.

So our stories did share a common theme, police incompetence.

Your GF should be off the road.

 

[bunsen burner]

Your "mate" sounds like a tool of the highest order. Why do you persist in keeping company with him?

I don't. He is a peripheral person in a group of my friends.

This is how the convo went the first time I met him:

We're pissed at a camp site. He's baiting another peripheral mate about policing. He's crapping on and on about how hard done by police are and that they should have more power. The guy wasn't taking the bait.

I took it. Ended up explaining to him what our legal system and process is, why we have it, and that although it's far from perfect it's pretty good. He was doing the "but police should be able to convict criminals and decide sentences" crap. I explained to him that although his intentions are good it would be very dangerous to give police this much unchecked power, afterall, police have consistently demonstrated they will abuse power if they have the chance.

So it ended up, about 5 guys standing around having an unrelated convo a few hours later (two or 3 of these guys are close mates of mine, but peripheral of his) and everytime I talked he turned his back on me.

Really immature and really rude. He's just your typical cop knob. All he can talk about is how hard done by cops are.

I was at another social function he was at and he spent the night talking to his mate's parents about this. (I know his mate and his mates parents quite well). Then his mates parents are onto me going "don't you think it's unfair that this cop in the media is being scrutinised and might be charged?" I can't remember it but my reply was "nope, that cop committed a crime, he should be charged".

I get on well with his mate and his mates parents, but cop man and I only talk to each other if we have to. He essentially just can't handle that some people see it different to he does.

 

[bunsen burner]

Tools attract Tools.

Bit rich making a comment after I have handed your arse to you on a plate. Do the right thing and be quiet and respectful.

 

[mehow2g]

Could you show us some evidence that 'its much more common than we think?'

All we have some far is your word, which is all over the place and pretty incoherent. Enough of the believe me's, start showing us how you've come to learn this stuff

Two of my friends have recently joined the force, are the exact opposite of power trippers and are scared shitless about doing something out of line on the job because of the consequences. One of them told me this only 2 weeks ago. The idea that they can 'do whatever they want' is completely untrue

It's much more common than you think is simply just opening my eyes and looking around me not just looking straight like most people do, I also have a decent understanding how the world is ran from politics, business and economy(weakest point) its not hard to connect the dots to see why things happen Ill give you examples.

Cops are our heroes right? they help us they care for us I mean Ive barely seen any bad words about cops on the news pretty much only good things their image on a large scale is very good thanks to the media who 99% of the time show how good they are.

Why do the media portray cops as only good doers? because they need to keep a very good reputation. Why do they need a good reputation for the public? because they are a force they enforce laws make shit loads of money and keep us on lock, if you have very rep you will lose a lot of business. Now that we are thinking from a business and power mind its really not hard to understand why I cant pick up a newspaper or look on ACA TT the project and see the amounts of wrong doing and corruption from the Police because its bad business people will stop obeying laws and paying for tickets, this is my answer to "it happens more than you think". People blindly follow the news and media if you start putting negative articles in there they will follow and agree I mean if paper started saying unicorns exist it wont be long till everyone believes it thats how the world is.

They portray our war "heroes" like gods when they die but why? To make sure you know that they did the right thing, I mean come on we are invading a country and taking their resources that will never reach the public.

If you start questioning whats on the News TV it becomes pretty clear quickly I mean theres thousands of stories each day ask you self why are you only seeing 10.

JuddsABlue we have more things in common than I thought I to have 2 friends in the force 1 of them is pretty close to me and has worked for them since highschool which was 5 years ago, He isnt the straightest if he doesnt like someone he will make sure they get the full force of the law but the stories I hear from him hes a angel, give your mates a few years with some of the snrs I'm sure you will hear some great stories on what goes on that's if they are willing to tell you.

Not saying all cops are bad but most we see in public are technically they are the shit kickers of the law compared to the people who work for the badge in a office.

Maybe I think different to most people I'm not sure if its right I do believe what I say and Im very happy for someone to prove me wrong people cant really prove what I said above because I believe we are only fed about the good the cops do and a lot of the time the "good" isn't right.

 

[dymot]

Bit rich making a comment after I have handed your arse to you on a plate. Do the right thing and be quiet and respectful.

No you didn't, you quoted NSW law overlooking the fact that it differs from Victoria, WA, Tasmania etc where there are more circumstances not requiring a warrant to be possessed by the police and the fact every state has the right to make their own law relating to crime. I don't even know where you live for starters because you didn't say it so how do I know which one is correct in your circumstance? Maybe you should do your own research before sprouting off on other's supposed ignorance?

 

[bunsen burner]

You've made it clear you hang around some real peices of shit,

Nope, all my close mates are successful middle or upper class law abiding citizens.

Again, you're using individual events to paint the entire force with the same brush. Its just incorrect, and no amount of blunt responses claiming what you've seen is enough, actually makes it enough. There are thousands of police out there every day performing their job correctly and respectfully.

Are you aware how systematically entrenched corruption was in Australia's police forces in the 80s?
Do you not think the amount of youtube videos in that thread is alarming (just the AU ones)? Do you not think there's heaps more that haven't see the light of day?
These are not small amounts of incidents. There are lots of them. That is a problem.

And this tarring the whole force claim? As an organisation, yes, but that doesn't mean I'm claiming every single cop. The organisation as a group has some real problems.

You hang around with ex cons and a like and have a few bad experiences with the police. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas as they say. For majority of the law abiding population we have good experiences with the police.

Right-o tough guy. I bet you're some weasely kent who works in retail and lives in Ringwood or something. Sounds to me like you have a shit existence and think you are better than others for no legitimate reason.

 

[bunsen burner]

No you didn't,

Yes I did. Plain as day.

you quoted NSW law overlooking the fact that it differs from Victoria, WA, Tasmania etc where there are more circumstances not requiring a warrant to be possessed by the police and the fact every state has the right to make their own law relating to crime.

Show me the law from any state that would allow police to trespass in such circumstance. Don't tell me about it. Find it. Post it.

I don't even know where you live for starters because you didn't say it so how do I know which one is correct in your circumstance?

I thought

Location: Sydney

might suggest I live in...........Sydney

dumb arse.

Maybe you should do your own research before sprouting off on other's supposed ignorance?

Everything I have passed of as fact is in fact, fact. Can't say the same for you.

Now go find that stuff and post it.

 

[bunsen burner]

Hey Dymwit,

Here's the law for QLD

http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/lega...lice/Pages/Entryandsearchwithoutawarrant.aspx

The police are at my house and want to come in but they don't have a warrant . I don't have to let them in, do I?

Yes, for some things, for example to:

• prevent domestic violence
• investigate traffic offences e.g. to take a breath test for alcohol
• catch someone who has escaped from prison or from being arrested
• search if they reasonably suspect there is evidence which may otherwise be hidden or destroyed
• arrest someone
• reach a crime scene.

Sounds like you're going to have your arse handed to you on a plate again. Should have taken my advice and STFU.


You're my bitch.

 

[HPKS]

I have experienced most parts of society & having seen the actions of a lot of police and my opinion is that as a whole they deserve the name pigs, from setting individuals up to being bullies to being just plain corrupt. In years to come they will be looked upon harshly. I lost my respect for them a long time ago. Just my opinion.

 

[JuddsABlue]

Are you aware how systematically entrenched corruption was in Australia's police forces in the 80s?
Do you not think the amount of youtube videos in that thread is alarming (just the AU ones)? Do you not think there's heaps more that haven't see the light of day?
These are not small amounts of incidents. There are lots of them. That is a problem.

And this tarring the whole force claim? As an organisation, yes, but that doesn't mean I'm claiming every single cop. The organisation as a group has some real problems.

Right-o tough guy. I bet you're some weasely kent who works in retail and lives in Ringwood or something. Sounds to me like you have a shit existence and think you are better than others for no legitimate reason.

lol there's only one of us acting like a keyboard warrior here throwing out random insults like some bitch fight from jersey shore (can't wait for you to tell me you've never heard it)

Ease up E-thug, you're embarrassing yourself. And I neither work in retail, live in or beat ringwood and my existence is fine. I only think I'm better than weasly trolls who make pathetic real life stabs at people when they can't prove their point

So if it was worse in the 80s, I guess you're admitting things are much better now

 

[Stratton_Gun]

gee bunsen burner seems mad

 

[bunsen burner]

lol there's only one of us acting like a keyboard warrior here

Really?

Rofl Bunsen yeah let's just let the karma bus take care of the criminals

Can you guys honestly read the garbage you're writing

I'm on my phone but I'll be on the computer later to highlight some of the most absurd simple minded statements I've ever seen

You've made it clear you hang around some real peices of shit

You hang around with ex cons and a like and have a few bad experiences with the police. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas as they say.

Who are you trying to fool here tough guy?