Cops

[dymot]

Maybe you should read this thread and take off your rose coloured glasses?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/police-brutality.903844/


Do you really think our police forces are doing a good job? Really?

Sorry I'm confused. You said that people who are supposed cop lovers are just as bad as the cop haters and yet you post a link to a thread which is simply Teffy sprouting on about cops and his hate for them and try to say this is a good example of evidence of poor policing.

 

[bunsen burner]

Busen Burner I would not blame the police for keeping on coming back. Unfortunately the law (made by politicians) requires the police to reattend the same last known address on the system until they resolve the matter with their person of interest.

Pretty sure I clearly said I didn't have a problem with them not believing me:

They're cops and deal with scum every day so I understand why they think I might be lying.

But I do have a problem with them:

a) trespassing
b) doing again the next day just to shove it up us.

Typical cop behavior.

We had the same issue with transport fines being sent to our address because some idiot gave us our address as their own when really they were a bum living on their own in various share houses and other places. Apparently when finally apprehended for his other warrants they found that he used to live in the street in the early 90s and the metro officers bought his line. As much as it pissed us off writing to the DOT and telling them there was noone at this address with this name we still got multiple letters including a summons and written judgement order from the court case sent to our address. So before some just blame cops immediately for their action look at the law and whether they are required to do something first.

Does or does not the law say police can walk around the back of someone's property without permission, without a warrant, or without seeing something suspicious?[/quote][/quote]

 

[bunsen burner]

Sorry I'm confused. You said that people who are supposed cop lovers are just as bad as the cop haters and yet you post a link to a thread which is simply Teffy sprouting on about cops and his hate for them and try to say this is a good example of evidence of poor policing.

Watch the youtube videos. And I'm not sure who this Teffy guy is but that's not the posts I was referring to. Some posters in there hate cops for the sake of hating cops. Read the whole thread and watch the videos. It's alarming how much unwarranted police brutality is happening locally and just as alarming are the fan buoys who justify it because "but if that guy wasn't a pissed smart enough he would have been held down and bashed" or "police have to deal with scum every day therefore it is ok for them to assault criminals and/or citizens".

 

[dymot]

Pretty sure I clearly said I didn't have a problem with them not believing me:

hey're cops and deal with scum every day so I understand why they think I might be lying.

But I do have a problem with them

a) trespassing
b) doing again the next day just to shove it up us.

Typical cop behavior.

Does or does not the law say police can walk around the back of someone's property without permission, without a warrant, or without seeing something suspicious?

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The police have an automatic right to enter your property without a warrant to arrest or detain someone they have suspicions of being at the premises. Obviously they did the first time as they had your address listed as his address and were after him.

In the second case, despite you saying they were doing it to be dickheads (which may be true) they have the right to do so if it is being done to investigate a case. In your case, they may be investigating whether he is actually on the premises and is being concealed by your wife and yourself. They may have come back due to the numerous times in the past that they have had someone ring up to complain to try and cover the suspicion of the police and then found later the wanted party is actually residing at that address.

So before simply accusing them of trespass again I'd suggest sometimes it is well worth being aware of the law and their rights and your rights under it.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

The police have an automatic right to enter your property without a warrant to arrest or detain someone they have suspicions of being at the premises.

No, they don't.

 

[dymot]

No, they don't.

They do in QLD.

They have an automatic right to enter your property if they suspect someone has or will/is about to commit a serious offence or if someone has escaped from custody in Victoria.

 

[bunsen burner]

The police have an automatic right to enter your property without a warrant to arrest or detain someone they have suspicions of being at the premises. Obviously they did the first time as they had your address listed as his address and were after him.

Not true. They need a little bit more than "this is his last known address".

They could have also asked us if they could come in and have a look. I would have been happy to talk it through with them and arrange for them to meet the other lodgers.

And please, show me this law where police are allowed to enter your property. And I'm not talking about the walk to the front door either.

In the second case, despite you saying they were doing it to be dickheads (which may be true) they have the right to do so if it is being done to investigate a case. In your case, they may be investigating whether he is actually on the premises and is being concealed by your wife and yourself.

They need a warrant. Otherwise they need to ask.

Police can't walk into a suspected drug dealer's house because they think drugs are there. They need a warrant.

They may have come back due to the numerous times in the past that they have had someone ring up to complain to try and cover the suspicion of the police and then found later the wanted party is actually residing at that address.

Makes no difference. They acted illegally and then doubled up to rub our faces in it.

So before simply accusing them of trespass again I'd suggest sometimes it is well worth being aware of the law and their rights and your rights under it.

Or perhaps before you mouth off on the internet you need understand the law.

 

[bunsen burner]

They do in QLD.

They have an automatic right to enter your property if they suspect someone has or will/is about to commit a serious offence or if someone has escaped from custody in Victoria.

How does this relate to my case?

Sounds like you are wrong. You owe an apology for being a mouthy knob.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

They do in QLD.

They have an automatic right to enter your property if they suspect someone has or will/is about to commit a serious offence or if someone has escaped from custody in Victoria.

That's better.

They would also want to be 100% correct if they don't want to face punishment/dismissal/litigation

 

[bunsen burner]

So before simply accusing them of trespass again I'd suggest sometimes it is well worth being aware of the law and their rights and your rights under it.

Read and weep dickbreath.

http://www.turnbullhill.com.au/articles/do-the-police-have-right-to-search-my-home----.html

Can the NSW Police search my home or car?

Under the law of New South Wales (NSW), Police may enter a home or other premises if they have a search warrant, and may also enter premises without a warrant if they believe someone there has suffered a significant physical injury, or is in imminent danger of significant physical injury, or that entry into the premises is necessary to prevent a breach of the peace.

 

[dymot]

That's better.

They would also want to be 100% correct if they don't want to face punishment/dismissal/litigation

They don't need to be 100% correct. The fact that someone was seen interracting with a known party to a serious robbery moments after it happened can be grounds for their arrest even if they were unaware it happened and that party was involved.

 

[bunsen burner]

They don't need to be 100% correct. The fact that someone was seen interracting with a known party to a serious robbery moments after it happened can be grounds for their arrest even if they were unaware it happened and that party was involved.

You're wrong. Now f*** off quietly.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

They don't need to be 100% correct. The fact that someone was seen interracting with a known party to a serious robbery moments after it happened can be grounds for their arrest even if they were unaware it happened and that party was involved.

You utilised the word "suspect", therefore their "suspicion" would want to be viewed in light of being 100% correct in their belief that they were apprehending an actual assailant.

In that sense, they DO have to be 100% correct.

 

[Gasometer]

You utilised the word "suspect", therefore their "suspicion" would want to be viewed in light of being 100% correct in their belief that they were apprehending an actual assailant.

In that sense, they DO have to be 100% correct.

What was the yellow for?

 

[dymot]

Not true. They need a little bit more than "this is his last known address".

They could have also asked us if they could come in and have a look. I would have been happy to talk it through with them and arrange for them to meet the other lodgers.

And please, show me this law where police are allowed to enter your property. And I'm not talking about the walk to the front door either.



They need a warrant. Otherwise they need to ask.

Police can't walk into a suspected drug dealer's house because they think drugs are there. They need a warrant.

Makes no difference. They acted illegally and then doubled up to rub our faces in it.

Or perhaps before you mouth off on the internet you need understand the law.

look at 459A of the Crimes Act Victoria.

 

[mehow2g]

"They need this stupid attitude and culture trained out of the"

I think it's trained into them.

Things that cops do that are not needed,


Hide cameras in bushes and putting them down a hill that has 25 degree decline if I don't brake down that hill te camera will pin me for 15 over which is a crime.

Due to Perths increase of population the free way is a parking zone for 5 hours of the day you know what that means ? No one can speed so what do our mates do send 8 coppers on bikes looking into cars to see of the driver is touching a electronic device and searching cars yes using mobile phones is illegal but that's pathetic, they are allowed radios a nice 13inch GPS/on the dash.

The other day I saw cops on a off ramp parked under a tree on bikes because there is no emergency lane you have put your car up a curb that is a good 15cm tall so most cars can't get up it which is dangerous since there's no emergency lane.

They have the right to speed.

Remember the cop who killed a innocent person during a car chase? The cop made a mistake killed someone and who gets punished ? Not the cop us with new ridiculous laws which is a minimum of 5000 fine and 6months .

Now you might say oh follow the laws, well no these laws some of them are worse than china we are becoming communist like in terms of laws.

You could say don't speed, speed kills is a myth like most thing in the world stupidity kills I've owned or driven 4 cars regularly for 2 years now and each speedo has 3-7 km difference whilst driving yet 5kms over is considerd a crime, have a look at 90% country's in Europe they have little laws on speed limits eg my dad got let offin Poland for 50 over here you will be looking at jail.

I was in a taxi in Rome he was doing 200kms I felt safe the guy clearly knew what he was doing he was doing 100 I said to him in Australia you would be looking at years in jail.

On to the new pursuit chasing laws, you would say you must of done something bad to run from the cops, if you mix our harsh laws such as speeding someone on their last demerit might think it would be worth it just to run. Or if you own a car that's targeted by cops like a silvia you might think you would be better off running. It should be the cops choice to be in pursuit when it's safe running a red is not safe for any person with any power, if a crook is not getting chased he wil stop doing stupid shit.


Writing this stuff depresses me I love Australia but people here are bending over for harsh laws if this happened in Europe there would be protests, you can't protest here anymore because you will be put in jail under the new anti association laws.

I leave my car keys in the car there is no point of hiding them because if the keys aren't there they will go into my house and find them and I can't protect my house from some stealing my shit because if I hurt them I will be charged for assualt, I can't call the cops cos they will look into it and won't make it on time.

The power the boys in blue have now fuels more power hungry physcopaths

 

[bunsen burner]

Things that cops do that are not needed,

1. The confiscation laws. Police/Courts in WA have power to confiscate legal gotten assets if a crime was committed with it. From memory there was a case of an elderly couple having their house confiscated because unbeknownst to them their 40+ year old son hid weed in the ceiling. The house was purchased legally decades previously. Another one was a wife's ex hubby r*ped a girl in her shed. Yep, her legally acquired house was confiscated. if anyone can look these up and confirm that would be great.

I'm no criminal but f***ed if I'd live in WA. The right winged redneck state.

2. Police chases. Why do police think it's ok to chase people for car theft? It's senseless. Putting innocent bystander's lives at risks to catch a car thief? wtf? Just let them go. They are criminals. The karma bus will get them soon enough.

 

[mehow2g]

I'm no criminal but f***ed if I'd live in WA. The right winged redneck state.

2. Police chases. Why do police think it's ok to chase people for car theft? It's senseless. Putting innocent bystander's lives at risks to catch a car thief? wtf? Just let them go. They are criminals. The karma bus will get them soon enough.

And the law comes down on us and nothing changes for the cops.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

What was the yellow for?

pwning moderators.

 

[JuddsABlue]

Rofl Bunsen yeah let's just let the karma bus take care of the criminals

Can you guys honestly read the garbage you're writing

I'm on my phone but I'll be on the computer later to highlight some of the most absurd simple minded statements I've ever seen

 

[mehow2g]

Rofl Bunsen yeah let's just let the karma bus take care of the criminals

Can you guys honestly read the garbage you're writing

I'm on my phone but I'll be on the computer later to highlight some of the most absurd simple minded statements I've ever seen

You just quoted one part of the sentence the most useless part, more importantly why chase ?

Are the things as simple minded as "juddsablue"

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

.......... let's just let the karma bus take care of the criminals

Then

Can you guys honestly read the garbage you're writing

Is there any reason I should not implement the ignore function with you?

Are you capable of redeeming yourself from this level of intellectual incompetence?

 

[dymot]

Then




Is there any reason I should not implement the ignore function with you?

Are you capable of redeeming yourself from this level of intellectual incompetence?

How will you implement the ignore function with Juddsablue?

 

[MaddAdam]

I know a bloke who is a cop. A typical cop. Pretty much fits the stereotype to a tee.

Your "mate" sounds like a tool of the highest order. Why do you persist in keeping company with him?

 

[dymot]

Your "mate" sounds like a tool of the highest order. Why do you persist in keeping company with him?

Tools attract Tools.