Certified Legendary Thread Corona, Jamaica ooh I wanna take ya (COVID-19 Information & Discussion Here) Part 2 "The Second Wave"

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It’s a 1000 bed facility.
Each room is a king single with en-suite.
Which is nowhere near big enough. The current cap is 4500 returnees per week, with a minimum 2 week quarantine period, so at least 9000 capacity required. Note also that the current cap is being criticised for being too low, so actual requirement is higher still.

This camp is probably perfect for people wanting to fly into the NT, but they would need similar facilities in each of the other states (and the ACT), and I'm not sure that those other facilities exist (under Federal Govt control or ownership).

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For all those that say nothing to worry about Covid-19. You don’t need to concern yourself with the number of deaths, the long term impacts of this disease are much greater. Think of the impacts on the health system and therefore the economy. Those nuffies saying it is like the flu, no it isn’t.

 

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Which is nowhere near big enough. The current cap is 4500 returnees per week, with a minimum 2 week quarantine period, so at least 9000 capacity required. Note also that the current cap is being criticised for being too low, so actual requirement is higher still.

This camp is probably perfect for people wanting to fly into the NT, but they would need similar facilities in each of the other states (and the ACT), and I'm not sure that those other facilities exist (under Federal Govt control or ownership).

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Well hotels it is then. Which is obviously a difficult situation. They need to be stand alone facilities for quarantine only. Government needs to start chartering flights and booking out whole hotels and charging at cost or going 50/50 with the returnees. They are throwing money everywhere so should also support these citizens the same.
 

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Yes, why would every other jurisdiction take up the Commonwealth's offer of the ADF... yet apparently Victoria had no offer.

Only an idiot would believe the Commonwealth made the offer to all but Victoria.

This was one of the biggest blunders ever by a Government as it's effectively cost hundreds of lives, thousands ill millions inconvenienced & the economy tens of billions of dollars

... yet not one person has been held accountable.
I can forgive the mistake, but not the cover up. He should resign for deliberately lying. Maybe one of the reasons there’s no parliament. Wouldn’t want to mislead parliament.
 

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Who ever heard of a politician deliberately lying? FMD.
Yes, we don't stop the presses for a "Politician Lies" headline!

I just don't understand how they thought it wouldn't be quickly shown to be an obvious lie that they couldn't get away with. So for me it is: out, for failing the intelligence test.
 

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Part of an article from the AFR today. Sometimes follow the science is a bit more complicated than it sounds. Which science?

Edit to add: IMO Daniel Andrews is quite entitled to cherry-pick, but hopefully the cherry picking is done to get the best & brightest epidemiologists involved.

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Did Daniel Andrews cherry-pick his modellers?
Aaron Patrick Senior correspondent Sep 16, 2020 – 9.43am

One of the mysteries behind Victoria's plan out of one of the most extreme pandemic lockdowns anywhere is: why did the government select a team of highly opinionated non-specialists to advise when normal life would be safe to begin again.

The lead researchers who built the model used for Daniel Andrews' COVID-19 "road map" aren't infectious diseases scientists.

The team does include epidemiologists such as New Zealander Tony Blakely. But his career has spanned computer science, economics, smoking and cancer.

Professor Tony Blakely is an epidemiologist and public health medicine specialist at the University of Melbourne.

Fellow Melbourne University professor Mark Stevenson is a road safety specialist who works in the Department of Architecture, Building and Planning. Jason Thompson is a psychologist who studies self-driving cars. The one non-Melburnian contributor, the University of New England's medical dean, Rod McClure, is an injury prevention expert.

"It's a strange choice to go to inexperienced modellers," says Catherine Bennett, the professor of Epidemiology at Deakin University and the leader of a national study of staphylococcus infections.
 

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Part of an article from the AFR today. Sometimes follow the science is a bit more complicated than it sounds. Which science?

Edit to add: IMO Daniel Andrews is quite entitled to cherry-pick, but hopefully the cherry picking is done to get the best & brightest epidemiologists involved.

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Did Daniel Andrews cherry-pick his modellers?
Aaron Patrick Senior correspondent Sep 16, 2020 – 9.43am

One of the mysteries behind Victoria's plan out of one of the most extreme pandemic lockdowns anywhere is: why did the government select a team of highly opinionated non-specialists to advise when normal life would be safe to begin again.

The lead researchers who built the model used for Daniel Andrews' COVID-19 "road map" aren't infectious diseases scientists.

The team does include epidemiologists such as New Zealander Tony Blakely. But his career has spanned computer science, economics, smoking and cancer.

Professor Tony Blakely is an epidemiologist and public health medicine specialist at the University of Melbourne.

Fellow Melbourne University professor Mark Stevenson is a road safety specialist who works in the Department of Architecture, Building and Planning. Jason Thompson is a psychologist who studies self-driving cars. The one non-Melburnian contributor, the University of New England's medical dean, Rod McClure, is an injury prevention expert.

"It's a strange choice to go to inexperienced modellers," says Catherine Bennett, the professor of Epidemiology at Deakin University and the leader of a national study of staphylococcus infections.
And more damning evidence right there that Dan the man and his acolytes were and are way out of their depth and incapable of leading Victoriastan out of the enormous mess they alone have created.

Just like their selection of the private security company to control the hotel quarantine which was a massive balls up we're now informed instead of getting advice from experts in the field of infectious diseases they've gone with several "part timers" mostly with expertise in other fields to do the modelling for the journey back to some normality for Victorians according to Deakin University's Professor Catherine Bennett.

How anyone can defend these jokers is well and truly mind numbing stuff.
 
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Big question is the capacity. How many people can be quarantined there at any one time?
And...is it actually available to the Federal government? There are probably dozens of mining camps around the country not at full capacity, it doesn't mean the companies aren't using them.
 

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When is someone going to put their hand up and accept responsibility, clearly the CMO Brett Sutton's not.

There's a pretty clear strategy among all the government officials they've interviewed to spread the blame over as many people, departments and decisions as possible.

They are deliberately making it hard to put the blame on anyone, to protect them all
 

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And more damning evidence right there that Dan the man and his acolytes were and are way out of their depth and incapable of leading Victoriastan out of the enormous mess they alone have created.

Just like their selection of the private security company to control the hotel quarantine which was a massive balls up we're now informed instead of getting advice from experts in the field of infectious diseases they've gone with several "part timers" mostly with expertise in other fields to do the modelling for the journey back to some normality for Victorians according to Deakin University's Professor Catherine Bennett.

How anyone can defend these jokers is well and truly mind numbing stuff.
Who on this board is actually defending Dan Andrews?
 

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I can forgive the mistake, but not the cover up. He should resign for deliberately lying. Maybe one of the reasons there’s no parliament. Wouldn’t want to mislead parliament.
Jesus, if that was the case most of the Federal Government should resign as well inc the PM! FMD.
 

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Sorry to deviate from the political cheerleading......

About a month or so ago I suggested there are asymptomatic people going about undetected.


Seems it is plausible



Yes the study is not peer tested but I reckon the theory is sound.




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Can't quite get my head around this piece of logic from the SA Police Commissioner.

"It's simply not possible for us to be confident that a person driving between ACT and South Australia has not had contact with members of the New South Wales community," Commissioner Stevens said.

So you can fly from the ACT to SA, no worries but you can't drive cos you might come across some NSW community.

Good thing the NSW community are not allowed into the ACT (or even at the airport before you fly to SA) :drunk:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-15/sa-cancels-quarantine-requirement-act-but-not-nsw/12664688
Makes absolutely no ******* sense, especially since NSW is almost as open as us and have had fu** all to zero community transmission since the initial outbreak in Vic
 

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The Age today: "[Former deputy chief health officer] Dr van Diemen had earlier warned that the hotel quarantine program was being run as a “logistics or compliance exercise” rather than a health program, meaning she “lost the opportunity” to know if infection control measures, including the use of protective gear, were adhered to in the hotels."

If you suggest that maybe the lockdown went further than it needed to there's a pile-on from the Danstanders about the importance of following medical advice and listening to the science. I hope they apply the same standard here. The quarantine process was run without appropriate input from the CMO or Deputy CMO. The modelling for the roadmap was done by architects and road safety experts.
 

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There's a pretty clear strategy among all the government officials they've interviewed to spread the blame over as many people, departments and decisions as possible.

They are deliberately making it hard to put the blame on anyone, to protect them all
I think it shows that there was not a single person in charge - things were decided behind the scenes or by committee. That's fine when you have time for a consensual process - but fails when urgent action and accountability is required.
 

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